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"Wests Tigers are most vulnerable"

siv

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Juniors?

Have you seen who the club has been signing lately?

Their juniors move onto greener pastures

Why would they continue to fund juniors?

But your right about juniors the NRL is heading more and more to ouright FG only franchise model where RG U20s and juniors are someone elses problem

Ie it is looking more like NFL model which is fully detatched from grassroots than our old district club model
 

siv

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Juniors!
Aren't NRL clubs required to spend a certain amount on junior development
Do the juniors have to be located within a certain radius of the clubhouse
Do the 'NRL required' juniors officially belong to the club sponsoring their development
What percentage of the juniors the NRL requires a club to develop ever play an NRL game for that club
If 'Junior Knights' could only be used by Newcastle where would they sit on the table, what about the leftovers

or doesn't it matter a tuppenny f**k where 'required juniors' are found, more important that any and every junior is entitled to believe he can be sought out and given a chance by any club willing to take that chance

No any more that money is being divereted to NSWRL and QRL along with the running of u20s
 

POPEYE

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You only count poaching if they are established first graders?
Curtis Scott has been playing first grade this year, he came through Cronulla's system and the Sharks wanted to keep him. Bellamy poached a good young player that had come through his local teams systems, exactly the same as Cronulla poached Jack Bird. All clubs do it, even Melbourne.
Scott didn't play NRL with the Sharks did he? Poaching only counts when a player has been used in 1st grade . . . otherwise we'd have to brand them fresh out of the womb
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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That's a bit of a stretch ol' mate, players that are undervalued or given permission to look elsewhere don't count as a poach
That's a viewpoint that makes you look like a green frog fresh from the shallow end of the lolly jar, old mate.
 

POPEYE

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That's a viewpoint that makes you look like a green frog fresh from the shallow end of the lolly jar, old mate.
I don't know about that ol' mate, the Tigers' wingers weren't appreciated enough to play them in the top grade and I'm not sure Melbourne approached them first anyway . . . no, I'm going to claim them as a 'give up' rather than 'poach'

Not sure how I can explain away Kasiano though, even if I'm f**ked if I know why Melbourne want a 20 minute player, how many Doggie supporters wanted to keep him is the question . . . I still think Des is making way for Cronk so for the time being Sam is a reject
 

POPEYE

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They all do, or no yabby does...

Which is it? Choose your b8, m8.
You want me to concede Melbourne poach highly regarded and 'wanted' established 1st graders from opposition clubs but I can't help you ol' mate. You should concentrate your efforts on picketing the NRL, I'll join you outside headquarters and we can start a rebellion

We could use 'Tedesco' as our catchcry, tell the bastards we want concessions in the cap to keep one-clubbers and we want any club that poaches one-clubbers to pay a hefty transfer fee . . . reward effort and down with laziness

I feel for you ol' mate, trying my best to help you divert attention away from the thread title am I
 

sensesmaybenumbed

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You want me to concede Melbourne poach highly regarded and 'wanted' established 1st graders from opposition clubs but I can't help you ol' mate. You should concentrate your efforts on picketing the NRL, I'll join you outside headquarters and we can start a rebellion

We could use 'Tedesco' as our catchcry, tell the bastards we want concessions in the cap to keep one-clubbers and we want any club that poaches one-clubbers to pay a hefty transfer fee . . . reward effort and down with laziness

I feel for you ol' mate, trying my best to help you divert attention away from the thread title am I
Ah, conditional poaching based on opinion about the location of the lolly jar....
 

POPEYE

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Ah, conditional poaching based on opinion about the location of the lolly jar....
You're obviously pissed about my post on 'Macarthur region', I can understand that but be a little more original with your retorts ol' mate . . . since when did you need others to think for you
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Campbelltown councillor says Wests Tigers have no intention of moving base to Macarthur region
June 28, 2017

Current Campbelltown councillor and former mayor Paul Lake has taken aim at the Wests Tigers, Wests Ashfield and club officials saying they have little interest in the Macarthur region with the councillor inviting the South Sydney Rabbitohs to play more games out of the stadium in the coming years.

Lake has told The81stMinute that local council are preparing to build a multi-million dollar sports centre of excellence at the Western Sydney University and have set aside room for Wests Tigers with access to state-of-the-art medical facilities – a monumental upgrade from the dilapidated Concord Oval precinct.

Frustrated fans are at tipping point with no apparent end in sight as the club pushes forward with plans to build its own centre of excellence at Concord.

“The problem as I see it is the Wests Tigers are missing an opportunity,” Lake told us.

“For some unknown reason, with Wests Ashfield now controlling it, they want to stay in there at Concord. They keep saying “we’ve got to look after the corporate people because most of our corporate money comes from the inner city area”. And they like to play at ANZ (Stadium) and have good facilities.

“Well you’re not going to get good facilities at Campbelltown unless you’ve got an anchor, unless you’ve got a club based there. It’s like Penrith. And like Manly. They haven’t been travelling all that well. Have a look at Manly’s figures a while back. Their figures were right down in their attendances. They (fans) sit at Manly, they sit at Penrith. They’ve got a local team. They’ve got locals that will follow them. We’ve got no local team. We’ve got a visiting team. And when you look at it, Wests Tigers, their board, if they were smart enough and sat down… I’ve met their board and I’ve told them when I was mayor about our sports centre of excellence that we’re going to do. They had the opportunity to be part of that and set up a whole training base and all their operations out here.

“When you consider that Campbelltown is a regional city which will probably be the capital of Macarthur and will be in the years ahead… it will have in the region Campbelltown, Camden, Wollondilly and even part of Liverpool and we’ll eventually have a million people living here.

“What better base would you want to expand your operations?

“I’m sorry, I just don’t get them. I’ve said it to them time and time again. I’ve spoken to Simon Cook, the CEO of Wests Ashfield, I’ve spoken to different people on the board and it’s like talking to a brick wall. “Oh no we’ve got contractual obligations with ANZ”. Yeah okay but that’s changed. ANZ has been taken back by the government. What I can’t work out is, our stadium at Campbelltown isn’t like ANZ or the Sydney Cricket Ground but you give us $100 million and we’ll make it a 25,000 seat stadium – all undercover – and with great facilities. We can do that.

“If you did a survey asking what football stadium has access to a train station and, we are closer than Homebush, what stadium has parking on both sides of the railway line which is all free, what stadium is only a stone’s throw from the M7, M5, M4 and down to the southern highlands. It’s Campbelltown Stadium.

“You look at the growth out here; we’re also talking about Camden and south towards Appin. You’re talking a million people and that’s got to be at least 250,000 kids.”

Lake also revealed just how serious the Rabbitohs are about the Macarthur region as their membership numbers soar in the South West corridor with the NRL’s most famous club even considering playing future premiership games out of Campbelltown Stadium.

“I’ll tell you one organisation that has shown an interest here in Campbelltown and that is South Sydney. They were out here last year, they played a trial here. They told me they were going to try and do an NRL game here as well. All we need is somebody, it may not be league, it may be soccer. They’ve only got two teams in Sydney at the moment and they’re always talking about an extra team. Whoever comes here first is going to be best dressed because council aren’t going to sit back and wait on Wests Tigers ten years down the track. I can tell you for a fact. Council aren’t twiddling their thumbs.”

The councillor also told The81stMinute about an embarrassing moment for the club at last year’s local Christmas Carols where the Rabbitohs had more players on hand than the Wests Tigers.

“We had our Christmas Carols here last year. South Sydney had an arrangement with council to do some community work to build up their supporter base because their biggest supporter base is in the South West. That’s why they’re concentrating on this area. If Souths came out here, if the CEO of Souths said “we want to play at Campbelltown, we’re still going to train at Redfern but we also want to set up a training base at the university – at the centre of excellence”, I reckon councillors would say “you’re on”.

“Council told Wests Tigers about the Christmas Carols and they said they probably wouldn’t be able to provide any players. But when we mentioned Souths would be there, next minute we had Wests Tigers there. But how many Wests Tigers players did we have there? We got one from Wests and we had five from Souths. They don’t seem to be proactive about the whole thing.”

Old factions between the Magpies and Balmain continue to drag the new franchise into the abyss despite Wests Tigers’ new generation of supporters not having any allegiance to Western Suburbs or Balmain.

“When kids want to play, they want to play for Wests Tigers. This club has been around for 18 years now. These kids don’t care about Magpies and Balmain.

“Wests Tigers think, I believe, they think they’re doing do us a big favour playing four games each year at Campbelltown.”

But Lake says that’s not enough and Wests Tigers continue to refuse to embrace the region.

“They keep telling us they’re not coming out here. (Justin) Pascoe has made it quite clear they’re staying at Concord, he’s only the CEO, Wests Ashfield make the decisions. They’re not really connecting with the area; they’re not connecting with Wests Juniors or the Group 6 people. They have an attitude, “Campbelltown? Out that far?”

“They don’t want to come. I’ll tell you a fact, Robbie Farah, hated coming out to Campbelltown – didn’t want to come.

“The centre of excellence will be finished by 2019 or 2020. There’s an area put aside for them to develop three levels, there’s playing fields there. They’ve got the stadium. It’s got great lights, great drainage on the field. Yes we know the stadium needs upgrading and if we’ve got an anchor team we can always go and get the funds to fix it right up, if we had that anchor team.

Much has been made about the guaranteed money Wests Tigers and other NRL teams make by taking games to Homebush and the costs to the club of playing home matches at Campbelltown and Leichhardt Oval. But Councillor Lake says Wests Tigers would not be disadvantaged by venue hire if they shifted their operation to the South West.

“All we’re asking is that they base themselves here, their office and their training, we’re not asking for the players to live here because we all travel to work. If they came out here and used the stadium, even if it was eight games a year, and we had the stadium upgraded to 25,000, council would work out an arrangement where they would not be at a disadvantage.

“What they want is ANZ Stadium which is guaranteed money; it doesn’t matter to them if you’ve got 5000 people in the ground or 20,000.

“You’re going to have a million people out here. Wests Tigers keep on talking about corporate dollars and bums on seats. Corporate dollars aren’t going to put bums on seats. The ones they need are the kids, the mums and dads.

“I’d like Souths to tell us they want to play four games out here next year and run the training sessions and invite all the kids and be active in the area.

“I think the response would be unreal.”

http://the81stminute.com/2017/06/ca...intention-of-moving-base-to-macarthur-region/

Why are they inviting Souths? THeyd be more likely to get Panthers out there than an inner west team.

EDIY: apparently Wests Ashfield dont want to player in Campbeltown.

Wests Ashfield
 

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