What have the naughty Bulldogs done now?

[cheese]

 

[blacktip-reefy]

OK wrong quote. There were a few 3rd party quotes though. You get the drift.

& no Cheese, that is not the case.

But what you will find is standard practice is tht rape victims are hospitalised.
Thats where the tests are done, ya know.

I had one friend accused of rape.
met a girl got her drunk, took her to the beach, did the business, then she spewed up, told him to f**k off etc. So he left.
next day he was arrested . jailed & placed on 10k bail which he could not afford.
Cost him 80k in legal fees, had to leave town & took 2 years for her to finally admit that she was upset that her boyfreind dumped her. Looking for pity from him, she told her boyfreind she'd been raped. He called the cops.
Now she had a choice, s**t or liar. Which one was it.
In the end they called it off & she was not charged with anything but making a falese complaint which in QLD is less than a parking fine.

All too much for a 17 year old I believe.

 

[King of the Hill]

it now turns out, she was there doing all that consensually 2 nights previous

has it turned out that way?
or have the bulldogs decreed that they are the facts?!
i'd suggest the latter

 

[blacktip-reefy]

*previously edited*

Do they usually assign multiple officers and a specific task force to these cases as well?

Do these cases your familiar with also come with medical evidence consistent with the alleged victims version of events.

*previously edited*

So I guess by your definition a prostitute could never be raped?

And she was allegedly there the other night. Where's the proof of that. Very easy for un-named players to sling that sort of accusation but little evidence that it is true. As SS said just put about by people who stand to profit by it being accpeted as fact. And even if it were true does that automatically deny her the option of refusing at a later date? Maybe I'm old fashioned or just have a sense of decency but any girl, even if she's the biggest s**t in the world, says no then anything from there on is sexual assault.

By all means give the players innocent until proven guilty, but you've got to give the victim the same treatment.

Hey don't think I'm going a particular angle here, I'm not.
I agree with what you say.
Believe me when I say, these matters are very very messy.

No means no. Always.
Even if you are watching ten of your mates do the bizz. If you get told no & you proceed, you are raping.

 

[Anonymous]

OK guys there's getting to be too much unfounded speculation in this thread. Lets keep the spec out of this thread.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

it now turns out, she was there doing all that consensually 2 nights previous

has it turned out that way?
or have the bulldogs decreed that they are the facts?!
i'd suggest the latter

Well, to the messy side of things, *edit*
I think there is a window of a couple of days?

 

[PJ]

Hey don't think I'm going a particular angle here, I'm not.

Certainly sounds like you are.

To me it sounds very much like that incredibly soft report from weidler and labelling the girl is at fault. Sorry if I get the wrong impression.

As to your friend that's a very sad story and he should be able to get compensation but that's a problem with the law. I'm sure there are plenty fo stories like his but equally I'm sure there are plenty like what appears to be happening with the SMH article where the alleged victim starts to take the blame, essentially with no-one to stand up for their side of the story.

I think it was a very low and unproffessional piece of jounalism. The stories printed about here alleged behaviour previously will be with her for the rest of her life. Something she and her family will never escape from becasue as you said everyone in the town knows who is being spoken about. And the sad thing is those stories could easily have been made up, but mud sticks and you can bet that will to her. As to the source of the stories these are the same group of guys who ahd a member, according to press reports that have not been challenged, urinated on the field and called for the group to pull there dicks out and come on the journalists. And this at a time when you would think they would be on their best behaviour.

 

[Anonymous]

Hey don't think I'm going a particular angle here, I'm not.

Certainly sounds like you are.

To me it sounds very much like that incredibly soft report from weidler and labelling the girl is at fault. Sorry if I get the wrong impression.

As to your friend that's a very sad story and he should be able to get compensation but that's a problem with the law. I'm sure there are plenty fo stories like his but equally I'm sure there are plenty like what appears to be happening with the SMH article where the alleged victim starts to take the blame, essentially with no-one to stand up for their side of the story.

I think it was a very low and unproffessional piece of jounalism. The stories printed about here alleged behaviour previously will be with her for the rest of her life. Something she and her family will never escape from becasue as you said everyone in the town knows who is being spoken about. And the sad thing is those stories could easily have been made up, but mud sticks and you can bet that will to her. As to the source of the stories these are the same group of guys who ahd a member, according to press reports that have not been challenged, urinated on the field and called for the group to pull there dicks out and come on the journalists. And this at a time when you would think they would be on their best behaviour.

IMO, the SMH is milking this for all its worth. They put out an anti-Bulldogs story one day and the next day, they put out another story which paints the alleged victim in a bad light.
People who love rumours lap it up and continually fall for this type of 'jounalism'.
After reading that latest SMH article, I could help but feel that I was reading trash.

 

[King of the Hill]

Well that's the thing Willow

The SMH is a serious broadsheet newspaper
The Sun Herald is a muck raking tabloid and Danny Weidler has artistic licence to do whatever damage he wants to the truth

Today's tripe came from the Sun Herald. It was mainly made up of filthy quotes from players who should have known better - but werent man enough to put their names to the quotes.

The SMH hasnt really descended to that level, and even if it did publish unsubstantiated quotes, it would obviously carry a lot more authority than its sister Sunday paper.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

I will tell you just how fine the line is.
10 guys going hammer & tong for 4 hours.
All of a sudden, 1 guy says the wrong thing.
She changes her mind for a few minutes, then continues.

Police ask question, did at any stage she say no?
Answer yes. Rape.
Everybody is charged.


The problem that I have found in these situations & I guess what I'm alluding to, the girls that are in these situations tend to be quite unbalanced, drunk, nutters or all three.
Whilst I'm not saying that this one is, from the first glimpses from the other side we had today, it seems that way to me.
These guys have not used the media until today & seemingly after they made sufficient investigations to make a decision on what form a media announcement would take.
At the papers, this issue would be centre stage & a careful decision would have been made as to which column , journalist carries it, then which ones continue with it.
As nobody wanted to be named, the sources were few, weidler & the like are the vehicles.

 

[PJ]

weidler & the like are the vehicles

I think tools would be a better description.

 

[Anonymous]

Well that's the thing Willow

The SMH is a serious broadsheet newspaper
The Sun Herald is a muck raking tabloid and Danny Weidler has artistic licence to do whatever damage he wants to the truth

Today's tripe came from the Sun Herald. It was mainly made up of filthy quotes from players who should have known better - but werent man enough to put their names to the quotes.

The SMH hasnt really descended to that level, and even if it did publish unsubstantiated quotes, it would obviously carry a lot more authority than its sister Sunday paper.

The SMH and the Sun Herald are the same publishers, Fairfax.

SMH may have been a serious broadsheet once but they're a joke now. Anyone who takes what the rumours they read in the papers as gospel is kidding themselves. But loads of people do - rumour and innuendo sells.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

There is still a legal tightrope to walk.
For instance, they can't say that an unamed player says she is a prostitute, even in Weidlers column.
for them to repeat that she was there 2 nights earlier, is a legal minefield & one they thought has enough evidence supoorting it, to run with.

 

[Anonymous]

btw, Regarding your comment, "made up of filthy quotes from players who should have known better - but werent man enough to put their names to the quotes."...

I find that when no names are mentioned, it can often mean that the quotes were embellished in the first place. Personally, I find some of those quotes hard to believe. The media don't always report on the news, they sometimes create the news.
The sooner every accepts this, the sooner they'll find some other way to make a quid.

 

[PJ]

Whilst I'm not saying that this one is, from the first glimpses from the other side we had today, it seems that way to me

So the guys who are accused so throw some unsubstantiated stories and we can categorise the girl. Stories that, as SS stated, the sources didn't have the courage of their convictions to put their names to.

We will conveniently forget the only facts in the case given the overwhelming strength of the Sun Herald arguement.
She was taken to hospital by ambulance after being found in a highly distressed state.
A player from the club in question was suitably concerned to give comfort to the girl.
The person who found her was quoted as saying her distress was real and that if she was acting/faking she deserved an academy award.
She has injuries consistent with her story.
Other witness statements support her story
The police saw fit to take enough of a belief into it to not just investigate but to form a task force comprising senior detectives and officers specialising in this sort of area.

 

[King of the Hill]

A player from the club in question was suitably concerned to give comfort to the girl.

This was supposedly the bloke who had consensual sex with her

If that's true...comforting her may have been a case of "too little, too late"

 

[cheese]

Which could also lead to him being charged as some kind of accessory. Thats it if it can be proven that he was aware of the assault.

 

[blacktip-reefy]

As far as I know, there have been no official statements of the evidence by police to this date? If they have, surely they have affected the case.
What injuries? What actions caused the injuries?
More witnesses are available to counter her story? More by the day.
With such high media attention, it is standard police/political practice.

Anydody who knows the hotel will know one thing, it is big & full of people.
It was a not a back alley in an inustrial estate in cabramatta.
It may as well have been in the Coffs Mall.
How could such a thing happen with hundreds of people nearby?
why are the the police pleading for more witnesses to come forward?
I think you'll find, if you look athrough my examples, you'll find what happened.
& I am basing that on what I have seen first hand, many times, not on what weidler, cantebury or anything anybody else is saying.

 

[PJ]

No SS.

From my reading of the story the assault happened after she had left his room.

He came down near the end and, according to one report remonstrated with team mates and offered comfort to the girl.

I don't think he was involved in any alleged incident.

 

[cheese]

Anydody who knows the hotel will know one thing, it is big & full of people.
It was a not a back alley in an inustrial estate in cabramatta.
It may as well have been in the Coffs Mall.
How could such a thing happen with hundreds of people nearby?
why are the the police pleading for more witnesses to come forward?

Ive been there, and although it can be fairly crowded at times, the pool where the alleged assualt happened is about a solid 2-3 hundred metres away from any unit. And not to forget that its situated right on the beach, so the breeze would dampen alot of noise

And cross this with the fact that its well past peak season, so i cant imagine an abundance of guests staying there at the time anyway.