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When will this Bulldogs thing be resolved?

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I just wish they'd hurry up and make a decision about it
I cant believe nothing has been done yet
Could the truth be coming out though?

Date: February 29 2004


EXCLUSIVE | By Danny Weidler

The Bulldogs players at the centre of last week's sexual assault allegations yesterday broke their silence to give their own version of events for the first time.

In a remarkably frank series of statements, team members who this week face police interrogation and DNA tests at the hands of a special strike force, admitted there were wild parties and group sex during their stay at Coffs Harbour.

But they insisted it was consensual, and that no serious charges would be laid once police had completed their inquires.

The players spoke to The Sun-Herald after a week under siege. Sensational headlines and sordid allegations over what took place at the Coffs Harbour Pacific Bay Resort last weekend have followed them for seven days.

It has made some members of the Bulldogs 25-man squad angry enough to speak out despite the fact that it would put them in breach of club rules.

This week, Strike Force McGuigon will videotape interviews with a group of Bulldogs players, and take DNA swabs for testing.

But The Sun-Herald can reveal that the team members maintain they are confident the tests will show that their version of what happened between them and a 20-year-old Coffs Harbour woman is correct.

The Sun-Herald has tried continuously to seek the story of the woman herself, but she and friends have refused to give interviews.

The Bulldogs players aired their stories at a "truth meeting" last week, during which they were asked to give their version of events in front of each other.

"Unless there are blokes in the team lying to us all, we have nothing to worry about," one player told The Sun-Herald.

After hearing what his players had to say, they pointed out, coach Steve Folkes was prepared to go on air and defend his players.

None of those who spoke to The Sun-Herald was willing to be named.

Their version will shock many readers and, no doubt, provoke an angry reaction from many fans and even the NRL.

But, the players insisted, none of what took place was an offence. Nor was it that unusual in the testosterone-charged world of their game.

They insisted they were keen to give statements to the police about the behaviour of the woman at the centre of the allegations.

The players said the woman first came to the team's attention on the Wednesday night before their game with Canberra last Saturday.

Their version of events was that she had sex with eight Bulldog players on that night at their resort hotel. They said she was encouraging group sex and boasting about it.

"She was pointing to the guys and counting one, two, three, four, five, six and saying she has had more guys than that before," said one player. "She was saying she has made porn before."

Inexplicably, she also told the team members she had breast cancer.

At the end of the night, the players maintained, the woman was put in a cab by the player she first had sex with at the Plantation nightclub in Coffs Harbour. After their victory over Canberra last Saturday, the Canterbury players said, the alleged victim was at the Plantation club and was keen to come back to the team hotel.

It was, they said, around 5am and the woman was trying to get a cab.

They claimed she had a run-in with Bulldog forward Willie Mason after she tried to jump in a cab he was sharing with other players, including Braith Anasta.

"Willie was standing there with Willie Tonga and Bob Cat [Andrew Ryan] and then she tried to jump in his cab and he told her to f---- off," said one player. "He did not know she was the 'bun-chick' [a girl who had engaged in group sex] from the other night.

"She spat at him, told him that footballers were no good. She told the players that she owned the place and she was off to get the bouncers."


When she finally arrived at the Pacific Bay Resort, she had consensual sex with one player in his room, the players said.

Later, she was being escorted to a cab when she spotted a girlfriend and other players at the hotel pool.

She elected to stay.

Around 7am, one hour before the team was due to gather for an 8am recovery session, she climbed in the pool herself and was trying to lure team members in with her, the players said.

She was naked, they claimed, and saying: "C'mon boys, are you scared to show your bodies to me?"

One said: "Two blokes were walking past and she was asking them to come into the pool and f--- her.

"They said they just ignored her and went back to their rooms. She was saying, "Come and get in the pool" as she was getting her clothes off.

"Earlier on she was knocking on all the blokes' doors trying to get in but they were asleep. They really did not want anything to do with her because they thought she was a scrag."

Another player said: "Everyone told her to go away and wanted nothing to do with her. I don't know what happened to make her so hysterical.

"When we talked as a team only one bloke said he had sex with her that morning. Maybe she had a reality check and realised the position she was in."

The player insisted: "Don't think she was an innocent player in all this. After the Wednesday night she gave her number to one of the boys and said, 'Come around and bring the whole team around.' "

One player said it was just a typical night for some of the Canterbury players.

"Some of the boys love a 'bun'," one said. "Gang banging is nothing new for our club or the rugby league."

By Peter Kogoy
March 19, 2004
ONE of six Canterbury Bulldogs players who allegedly pack-raped a 20-year-old woman at a Coffs Harbour resort last month argued with the girl and rejected her advances just before the alleged attack.

The Australian can reveal this information has been given to police investigators, the National Rugby League and the Canterbury Leagues Club by a doorman at the hotel where the players had been drinking in the early hours of February 22.

The statements provided by the doorman of the Plantation Hotel on the NSW mid-north coast add considerably to sketchy accounts of the hours leading up to the alleged assault.

The man, who did not wish to be identified, said the argument took place on the footpath outside the hotel about 5.30am when the bars were shut down. He said the alleged victim then approached him asking for him to intervene on her behalf.

Investigators have been told the woman became agitated and began slapping the doorman in the chest before being asked to leave.

The Australian understands the player, who was waiting for a taxi with other players to go to the Pacific Bay Resort, rejected the girl's advances and called her an insulting name.

The Australian also understands the young woman had consensual sex in a backpackers room, part of the multi-million-dollar Plantation Hotel complex, with another Canterbury player earlier in the night.

It is understood the alleged victim's girlfriend, who has the same Christian name, had booked one of the backpacker rooms because she lives more than 30km out of town. The woman eventually left the hotel to travel by taxi to the Pacific Bay Resort with a third Bulldog player, who took her to the lap pool, which is now the focus of the police investigation.

Both the alleged victim and the taxi driver were reinterviewed by a different team of police on Wednesday, officers from the State Command's sexual crimes unit.

The investigation potentially has weeks to run, with this second police team planning to re-interview all witnesses in the case.

They could not say how many of the players would be asked to attend a second interview.

In a letter of support to the Bulldogs, published on the club's website, Plantation Hotel licensee Harry Barry has attacked inaccurate reports on the conduct of the players on the night of the alleged rape.

The letter says: "I can say categorically that, 1) the players were not drunk, disorderly or insulting while at the hotel, 2) there were no fights involving Bulldog players in the hotel that night, 3) no Bulldogs players were evicted from the hotel, 4) I did not see nor did anyone complain to me or a member of my staff about the behaviour of the Bulldogs while at the hotel, and 5) indeed, staff, regular customers and the Bulldogs had a most enjoyable night."

http://smh.com.au/text/articles/2004/02/28/1077677016584.html

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9009120^2702,00.html
 

wittyfan

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At least in the last few days there has been some developments, but it is still moving too slowly!
 

gunnamatta bay

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The DPP will make a decision whether to charge or not once thr police present their brief of evidence. If anyone is charged it could go on for years what with the way the system can be manipulated by crafty lawyers.
 

Sharkie73

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Well I guess this one way they can all get there story straight for the jury :evil: What a pack of C##KHEADS
 
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Sully what's doing here, this guy fair dinkum has a head like a squashed melon
 

blacktip-reefy

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I predict nothing is going to happen.
No charges due to lack of credible evidence.
If anyone is charged, it will be from the hysteria surrounding the case & will do nothing more than give the dogs the legal & moral avenue to clear their names
 

Objective One

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It hasn't really been so long - it is just that this case has been so high profile it seems like it is a long time. With no complete ID on a names basis at the start, the whole IDing process is what has unfolded which is not usually so much in the public domain in other cases but no doubt takes just as long or longer where the victim has no upfront knowledge of identities. If recent reports are true, that aspect may be drawing to a close. What it sounds like this will come down to is an argument about consent and it has developed into a she said vs we all said stalemate - emphasis on the we all which of course emanates from the intriguing series of events starting with numerous players leaving Coffs before they could be interviewed, the "truth session", the "we believe them" PR from the Dogs, the immediately following Danny Weilder interview which planted the anonymous, "she's a scrag" line, to the most recent "there was no misbehaviour at the Plantation pub" revelations. If you add it all up, with the exception of the seventh player issue which the police supposedly leaked, all the PR has been coming from the Dogs to support the we all say we didn't do it line which creates a "me thinks you do protest a little too much" suspicion with me.
 

blacktip-reefy

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HHmm. I don't go along with OO.
whilst I do go along with your PR theory, I think that was necceary to prevent or inhibit a public lynching.

This will all come to nought, as the credibility of a person is chipped away.
At this stage they have not even started on that.
 

Objective One

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...oh, I forgot one other important element that makes me suspcious, the prepared written not oral statements to the police, no inconsistencies. Crediblity might well sink this BTR but from all the stories, allegations, etc you get the feeling there might have been a chain of events here where there was and decidely was not consent either as to an increasing number of uninvited participants (now there's a familiar theme!!!!) or acts (one of the reports suggested that medical evidence supported the, er, distribution of certain substances into certain receptacles) or both. Essentially something that sounds like it got way out of hand (pardon the expression) even if it was once consensual at some point in time or place. But, who the hell knows? I do observe that all the pro Dogs/therefore pro league revelations appear to be made to News Limted journos though!!!!!
 

blacktip-reefy

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nope wrong thee.
The unnamed source in the weidler article is a fairfax thing.
& that is the most truthful sounding thing I have heard yet.
Sorry, but experience in these matters gives me a lot of insight.

Take for instance the alleged incedent a year ago.
go & ask any amount of females you know, if they would not notice a different person having sex with them. For whatever reason.
I believe you would have had to have a mouth full of trips not to know.
Now, get a jury of say 50% females to believe that story.
 

Objective One

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blacktip-reefy said:
nope wrong thee.
The unnamed source in the weidler article is a fairfax thing.
& that is the most truthful sounding thing I have heard yet.
Sorry, but experience in these matters gives me a lot of insight.

Take for instance the alleged incedent a year ago.
go & ask any amount of females you know, if they would not notice a different person having sex with them. For whatever reason.
I believe you would have had to have a mouth full of trips not to know.
Now, get a jury of say 50% females to believe that story.

Ah you are right Weilder is SunHerald...oops. But BTR, poor choice of phrase in bold!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I dunno Reefy, maybe I'm just too gullible, why would someone subject themselves to the torture of making these allegations if there was not uninvited conduct/participants? And wasn't the prior story that she woke up to find the unexpected partner going at it - recognition is one thing when you are sober and it is supposed to be someone you know but if she was pizzed and the consensual one was a first timer, the reognition thing may not have worked that quickly. Anyway in this one, there's no mistaken identity discussion so far...what I meant was prior consensual acts with one or more could have become non-consensual when it expanded to be many more people and types of acts - it is still non-consensual at that point.

And apart from all that, I just love playing debating 1.01 with you.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

blacktip-reefy

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One answer & I have seen it happen a hundred times.
Resentment brought on by humiliation & regret most probably caused by one participant not treating her with respect.
They go over the edge, make a claim & the boll is rolling.
& it is a very big ball.
 
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why would someone subject themselves to the torture of making these allegations if there was not uninvited conduct/participants?
1. Could have a boyfriend who found out about it
2. As reefy said, could be humiliation/regret
3. Could be one total wacko, perhaps "not all her dogs are barking", so to speak...which would be consistent with the suggestion that she inexplicably claimed she had breast cancer
 

Macca

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4. Could be telling the truth.

Although I doubt she will win if it goes to court.
 
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