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  1. Bandwagon

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    The original legislation had already made allowances to ensure that whilst Sammy had to lose a bit of his apple, there was a banana in it for him. The banana made Tones sad, he tried to tell us that despite Sammy only losing a bit of his apple, he would lose the whole lot, and there were no bananas for anyone. Unfortunately despite the impending famine at Sammy's house, the world decided Sammy's apple was overpriced, and Tones discovered there was no longer enough bananas to go round.
     
  2. Surely

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    It's OK to pay 9% more for electricity basee on idealism but not $5 to see a doctor

    I like the logic
     
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    tones warns of apple issue april 11


    http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2011/04/27/3201383.htm

    Gillard finds bananas july 11

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-10/whyalla-a-ghost-town-under-the-carbon-tax/2789000
     
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    The many subsidised industries that operate at a profit
     
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    Does the $5 doctor tax come with income tax cuts like the 9% electricity tax?
     
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    to be fair to the domestic steel industry it isn't because they cant compete at the moment rather its more to do with chinese mills over producing and dumping on the global market

    this will likely balance in the coming 18 months
     
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    The tax cuts weren't removed so I guess the $5 doctor tax is affordable now
     
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    Greg mentions apples and bananas

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-02-24/gillard-unveils-carbon-price-details/1955968

    Updated 24 Feb 2011, 5:15pm

    From the report of Tones warning ( your source )

    Wayne discusses bananas

    Yet more..


    Oooh you can't trust the government with your bananas is the gist of Tones argument,

    Your own source defeats your point Millers
     
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    It's the same as with the Italians and their tomatoes.
     
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    Its funny that the NeoLib line had gone from "raising taxes is the worst thing ever" to "ok, we wanna raise taxes. but shut up, its different this time..."
     
  11. Surely

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    I would rather lower taxes but if people want services then they have to be paid for somehow.
     
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    there's more than enough money floating around we just need a bigger net
     
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    I've found the money


    http://arena.gov.au/projects/
     
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    What is the economic impact of the doctor tax compared to the carbon tax?
     
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    the same

    government takes money out of the economy as it cannot control its spending


    here is yet another example of how governments waste money and then want to raise more fargin taxes

    its not a specific go at labore as this has been administered by coalition governments also

    Half of the units built by universities under the Rudd government?s flagship social housing scheme were let to foreign students to the detriment of the low-income workers the scheme was supposed to help, a damning audit has revealed.
    The data confirms a series of revelations in The Australian that universities had systematically exploited the National Rental ­Affordability Scheme to build units for wealthy foreign students. The Australian National Audit Office report reveals that universities had secured more than 10 per cent of the $10,000-a-year incentives available under the NRAS and largely used the cash to house fee-paying foreign students.
    ?Tenancy demographic data captured by the department indicates that of the 3652 active allocations held by universities, 1812, or 50 per cent, were occupied by non-resident students during 2013-14,?? commonwealth auditor-general Grant Hehir?s report found. ?While approving NRAS ­eligible dwellings for student ­accommodation may relieve pressure on affordable rental ­accommodation in areas in and around universities, it can also ­reduce the total number of incentives available for other accommodation types.?
    Among the universities to tap the millions of dollars in government subsidies to build units for foreign students were the Australian National University, the University of Canberra and ­Monash University.
    The $3.5 billion NRAS scheme was developed by former prime minister Kevin Rudd and Labor frontbencher Tanya Plibersek. It was cited as an innovative solution for childcare workers, police, teachers and others facing rental stress. Commonwealth auditors found no assessment was ever done on what impact the policy actually had had on housing ­affordability.
    ?No processes have been put in place to monitor or evaluate whether the scheme has encouraged large-scale investment in affordable housing, the innovative design of affordable housing and/or whether NRAS has had any flow-on effect in the housing market,?? the audit found.
    While not-for-profit organisations have used it develop more than 15,000 units for the genuinely needy, The Australian has revealed the program has been plagued by maladministration, the ruthless exploitation of the rules by elite universities and lax regulation that saw an illicit trade in NRAS incentives develop among unscrupulous developers.
    Under the scheme, owners of approved NRAS units are paid $10,000 per year in exchange for letting their dwelling to an eligible tenant for 20 per cent or more under the market rent.
    While the original target was 50,000 dwellings, the ANAO also found that uptake of the scheme had been too slow.
    ?From the commencement of NRAS in 2008 the delivery of eligible dwellings has been slower than anticipated. If the revised target of around 38,000 dwellings is to be achieved by 30 June 2016, a significant acceleration in the construction of eligible dwellings is required,?? Mr Hehir wrote.
    The target was revised down by the Coalition government, which also cancelled the final round of the NRAS and made changes to prevent the incentives being traded illicitly or used for student accommodation.
    The audit found that in each round of the scheme more than 4000 dwellings were delivered more than a year later than scheduled and there was an ?average delay of in excess of two years for proposed dwellings?.
    ?Only limited consideration was given to the risk that approved participants would not be able to deliver dwellings into the scheme,? Mr Hehir found.
    ?Due to the poor quality of the records retained over the life of the scheme, there is no complete record of dwellings as originally approved and/or subsequent approved changes.?
    Mr Hehir also found that poor regulation and administration had seen developers stockpile and trade incentives, sometimes charging a bounty of up to $30,000 per dwelling to on-sell the incentive to a competitor.
    ?Lengthy and successive extensions to the available-for-rent date for dwellings also created an environment where the trading of reserved allocations, also referred to the trading of incentives, became a viable commercial activity for approved participants,? Mr Hehir said.
    ?Anecdotal evidence gathered by the department suggests that the fees charged for access to reserved allocations ranged from $1500-$30,000.
    Social Services Minister Christian Porter said through a spokeswoman NRAS was a Labor scheme ?and from the beginning, it was poorly designed?. ?The scheme has simply failed to deliver for low and moderate-income Australians,? the spokeswoman said.

    http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...9vQ62tX-AP9omQ3xg&bvm=bv.107763241,bs.1,d.dGo
     
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    Incorrect, all taxes have some negative impact on the economy due to distorting behaviour, however, some taxes have less negative economic impact than others
     
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    Well ok
    The doctor tax and the proposed rise in the gst may have differing negative effects but to me they have the same cause
    Government not living within its means
    The entire purpose of a carbon tax was to punish big "polludahs" like steel mills
    You can argue all you like beyond that
    The point is after the idiocy of th carbon tax Australia voted in a government promising to curb spending instead they are making a case to raise even more tax and doing farg all about waste
     
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    I agree with Millers

    ( I feel so dirty :D)
     

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