Women Under Islam

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  1. sportive cupid

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    Ok
    This thread isnt about Newtownians
     
  2. Bandwagon

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    Hey, it hasn't seemed to bother you previously.
     
  3. gUt

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4421222/Eight-women-arrested-Iran-dressing-men.html

    Eight women are arrested in Iran for dressing up as men so they could watch a football match

    • Islamic law in the country bans women from attending live football matches
    • Group of eight women were arrested at Tehran's Azadi Stadium during a game
    • They had disguised themselves as men to watch Esteghlal FC and Persepolis FC
    • Iran recently banned women from cycling in public because it made men stare

    Eight women have been arrested in Iran for dressing up as men so they could watch a football match.

    Islamic law in the country bans women from attending live matches when men are present and the group were detained at Tehran's Azadi Stadium.

    They had attempted to disguise themselves in order to watch Esteghlal FC and Persepolis FC on February 12 this year, but now face legal action.

    Alireza Adeli, head of security for the Tehran municipality, said it was not the first time it had happened.

    He told Memri: 'The ban is aimed at preserving their honor, because the stadium's atmosphere, commotion, and crowds are no place for them.

    'Women who wish to watch the match can do so on TV, which broadcasts the games and gives everyone a way to watch them live.'

    The women now face charges.

    As well as banning women from football stadiums, Iran's strict laws extend to prohibiting women from cycling in public.

    Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei recently issued the fatwa banning women from riding bikes in public, saying that it would attract the attention of males and is therefore forbidden.

    Among the other seemingly innocent acts that can result in being reprimanded include women uploading a photograph of them without a headscarf and posting a video of themselves singing.
     
  4. saint.nick

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    Remember than moronic Iranian woman trying to convince Hitchens on Q/A that Iran treats women well...
     
  5. Collateral

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    I'm sure women get paid more in Islamic countries too...
     
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    There is definitely no wage gap
     
  7. millersnose

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    Must be the Wahhabis.....
     
  8. cerberus

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    thats right , pence is already speaking about evil Iran for the shit eaters . good to see an old
    chevron stooge like you . in lock step , ernst
     
  9. gUt

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e/?tid=sm_tw&tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.7a6520922318

    Doctor accused of mutilating genitals of young girls defends procedure as religious practice


    The attorney for a Detroit-area doctor accused of mutilating the genitals of young girls acknowledges that her client performed the procedure, but she says it was part of a religious practice.

    The revelation came during a detention hearing on Monday, a few days after Jumana Nagarwala was charged in what authorities say is the first case of its kind in the country. Shannon Smith said in federal court in Michigan that her client removed the girls’ genital membrane as part of a custom practiced by the Dawoodi Bohra, a small sect of Indian Muslims of which Nagarwala is a part, the Detroit Free-Press reported.

    Nagarwala, 44, of Northville, Mich., was charged last week with female genital mutilation, transportation with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity and making a false statement to a federal officer. Federal investigators say she performed genital mutilations on two 7-year-old girls at a medical clinic in Livonia, just outside Detroit. The procedures were performed secretly after business hours and without medical billing records, according to a criminal complaint.

    Nagarwala, an emergency room doctor for the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit, initially denied performing genital mutilation on children. She told investigators earlier this month that she’s aware the procedure is illegal in the United States.

    During the hearing, a federal judge decided to keep Nagarwala incarcerated while the criminal case is pending.

    “I think there’s clear and convincing evidence that your client poses a danger to the community,” U.S. Magistrate Judge Mona Majzoub said, according to the Detroit Free-Press.

    [Detroit-area doctor charged with performing genital mutilation on girls]

    According to the complaint, the girls’ family traveled last February from Minnesota to Michigan, where they were brought to see Nagarwala. One of the girls told investigators that she was taken to Michigan for a “special” girls’ trip. In describing the procedure, she said it was “to get the germs out.” The other girl said she screamed after a painful “shot.” Both girls said they were told to not talk about what happened.

    Nagarwala is one of two Michigan doctors arrested in connection to genital mutilation this past week.

    Authorities arrested another doctor, Fakhruddin Attar, 53, and his wife, Farida Attar, 50, both of Livonia, Mich., on Friday. Federal prosecutors say Fakhruddin Attar owns the clinic where Nagarwala performed genital mutilations, while his wife, the clinic’s office manager, assisted during the procedures.

    The Attars have been charged with conspiring to perform female genital mutilations on minor girls.

    Fakhruddin Attar told investigators that Nagarwala saw patients, girls between ages 6 and 9, at his clinic about five to six times a year, according to a criminal complaint unsealed Friday. He said Nagarwala saw the patients for problems with their genitals, including treatment of rashes. The visits were usually after clinic hours, on Friday evenings or Saturdays, he told investigators.

    His wife, Farida, comforted the girls during the examinations by holding their hands, Fakhruddin Attar told investigators.

    Investigators say they believe that Nagarwala mutilated the genitals of several other children at Attar’s clinic between 2005 and 2017.

    Federal child forensic interviewers have talked to several Michigan children who said that Nagarwala had performed genital mutilation on them. Two parents said the doctor performed the procedure on their daughter, while others denied knowing anything about it, according to the complaint.

    Investigators also say that Nagarwala and the Attars are members of the same religious community.

    [Widespread Female Circumcision Highlights the Plight of Kurdish Women]

    Female genital mutilation remains common among the Dawoodi Bohras who mainly live in India. But some members of the religious community have come out to rebel against the practice, according to a report by the Los Angeles Times.

    Two online petitions, started by a group called Speak out on FGM, is seeking to end female genital mutilation in India and has so far garnered a total of more than 200,000 signatures. The practice is known as “khatna” in the Dawoodi Bohra community.

    One of the petitions’ writers argued that the practice, held in secret and usually without consent, is more of a cultural one, and “has nothing to do with religion.”

    “The Dawoodi Bohras are amongst the most educated in India, yet we are also the only Muslim community in India to practice FGM,” the writer wrote. “Most of us are too scared to speak out publicly. We fear ostracization, social boycott and exclusion of our families from the rest of the community by our religious clergy if we object to the continuation of this practice.”

    Female genital mutilation — or removing all or part of a female’s genital for nonmedical reasons — is considered a human rights violation, though it is practiced extensively in some African countries and areas of the Middle East, according to UNICEF. A June 2016 report from the Government Accountability Office found that increased immigration from countries where it is practiced had brought it to the United States, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that in 2012, 513,000 women and girls here were “at risk of or had been subjected” to it.

    The report also found that while female genital mutilation was a crime under federal and many state laws, there were few investigations or prosecutions stemming from it — because of underreporting and other problems, The Washington Post’s Matt Zapotosky reported. The report said the FBI had two investigations from 1997 to 2015, one which resulted in a prosecution on other charges. Department of Justice officials indicated to the Government Accountability Office they were aware of two state prosecutions involving the practice.
     
  10. Apey

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    I think some catholic priests said the same about molestation
     
  11. gUt

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    Videos in the link.

    It Doesn't Happen Here volume # 425:

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3559573...lian-child-brides-forced-into-marriage/#page1

    EXCLUSIVE: Video shows 14yo child bride marry man as mother watches

    Video has emerged of a teenage girl being forced to marry a man 20 years older than her in a Sydney mosque.

    The 14-year-old, dressed in a light blue head scarf, can be seen in the a tiny room at the back of a suburban mosque preparing to wed a man she’s allegedly only known for only a few days.

    “Sign here,” a man tells the groom as he looks at a document and the mother watches on and gives her full blessing.

    The man had allegedly handed over $1480 gold necklace in exchange for his new bride.

    “… do you take… to be your wife?” a man asks.

    The groom responds.

    “Do you take… to live together and live according to Islam?” the teen is asked.

    “Yes,” she responds.

    The deal is done in minutes.

    “As a wife you have a duty to obey your husband,” the man tells the newly wed bride.

    The video highlights the startling reality surrounding child brides and their existence in Australia.

    Family and Community Services minister Pru Goward said it was “deeply disturbing” to think of children in arranged marriages to grown men.
     
  12. Snoop

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    14?! Why did it take 5 years for some guy to propose marriage to her?
     
  13. gUt

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    http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/maajids-blazing-row-with-muslim-woman/

    Maajid's Blazing Row With Muslim Woman Who Refuses Condemn Beating Women

    Maajid Nawaz got riled up when a woman said context should be considered when condemning a man for beating his wife.

    "What possible context could justify that passage?" is the question Maajid Nawaz posed to this Muslim caller, when she refused to condemn a Quran passage promoting domestic violence.

    The caller, Nadia, said: "Anybody with common sense would see that the first step you take, if you have problem with the woman, you wife, or whoever it is, the first step you take is to discuss with them."

    Maajid said: "But the passage goes on beyond that first step doesn't it?"

    The pair went onto discuss the "third step", with Maajid pressing her on her stance about domestic violence.


    He said: "I'm going to ask you for a fourth time, is it wrong that the Quran says husbands can beat their wives?"

    She responded: "It depends which context you take it in."
     
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    Young woman allegedly kidnapped, raped, forced to marry in Islamic ceremony

    An 18-year-old woman was allegedly taken from her Sydney bedroom, raped and forced to marry a Muslim man under sharia law in a terrifying ordeal that lasted almost 24 hours.

    Chafic Charylala, 31, allegedly drove to the woman's Bankstown home early on Monday morning before taking her to the Novotel at Brighton Le Sands, and then to a Lakemba house, where an Islamic ceremony took place under a sheik.

    The frightened 18-year-old, who cannot be named, knew the man. Her family had recently rejected a marriage proposal by him.

    After the ceremony she was driven down the Hume Highway towards Melbourne, where Mr Charylala's cousin lives, but officers intercepted the vehicle after her family contacted police.


    Mr Charylala was arrested in Gundagai on Monday night and charged with kidnapping, sexual assault and indecent assault.

    The matter was heard at Wagga Wagga Local Court yesterday.

    He did not apply for bail and it was formally refused.

    The matter was adjourned to Bankstown Local Court today.

    Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...to-marry-under-sharia-law#WF3cCqYcYxJXdxwf.99
     
  15. millersnose

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    this is said without even noting the significance of the family 'rejecting' or 'accepting' marriage proposals on her behalf
     
  16. Snoop

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    Definitely most feminist religion I know of.
     
  17. gUt

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    A great example of two very important points:

    1) Muslims are Islam's main victims;
    2) Most Muslims are regular folk with hopes and dreams of living in the modern world, but their religion is too easily used to keep them down and must be criticised and ridiculed for the backward, barbaric cult it is.

    #I'llsnurglewithyou

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ous-prohibitions-rights-traffic-a7787876.html

    Iranian women get on their bikes to defy cycling fatwa
    'I cycle through Tehran, no problem. I am not afraid of the police.'

    An increasing number of women in Iran are getting on their bicycles to protest against a fatwa banning them from cycling in public.

    Hardline Iranian leaders believe women on bikes are a threat to morality and are strictly forbidden as a means of public transport.

    Women must also be completely veiled, even in the height of summer, when playing sport or driving.

    But a counter-movement, propelled by social media, has emerged over the last year. In a country of record-high air pollution and traffic congestion, more and more women are cycling.

    Following a popular measure called “car-free Tuesdays” that started in the city of Arak two years ago, women spotted an opportunity to cycle in the name of the environment.

    But the movement was cut short when a group of women cyclists were arrested in Marivan in Western Iran. They were released the same day after they signed documents, pledging not to cycle again despite no law against it.

    There were then a flurry of press declaring women could cycle as long as they pertained to religious customs and the dress code.

    But in September, Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a fatwa that women were not allowed to cycle in public.

    Women subsequently posted pictures of themselves on bikes on social media with the hashtag #IranianWomenLoveCycling.

    A mother and daughter filmed themselves cycling on the island of Kish, alongside posts explaining how they immediately rented two bicycles after the fatwa.

    “Cycling is part of our lives. We were here when we heard Khamenei’s fatwa banning women from cycling,” they said.

    Another woman posted a video and said she was “proud to resist the oppression”.

    “As I believe those who oppress us are wrong,” she wrote. “Biking for women is not a taboo. And no one can tell me it is.”

    Despite the fatwa, an increasing number of women cycle through the hilly and traffic-clogged city of Tehran.

    A group of cyclists, including women, also gather outside the Tehran Azadi stadium on Friday mornings to race on the cycling track, The Guardian reported.

    Nanaz, a 30-year-old lawyer, told the paper that she cycles up to 80 km per day.

    "As long as [the moderate Hassan] Rouhani is our president, we will be able to do it. My great ambition is to take part in the Olympics," she said.

    The Iranian Cycling Federation does not have even 100 members, yet male Iranian cyclists have won competitions across Asia.

    Cycling used to be more common.

    During the first half of the 20th century, when cars were an expensive import, many residents used their bikes. In 2017, Tehran's new bike-sharing system has reportedly had little uptake and the 2016 plan for 120 bike stations around the city has yet to be implemented.

    Even in the bike-friendly city of Isfahan, with cycle paths, a rental bike scheme and encouragement from authorities, women are still not allowed to use them.

    It is unclear how long the fatwa will continue, but Fariba, a 36-year-old accountant, told The Guardian she was excited to cycle.

    "And yes, I cycle through Tehran, no problem. I am not afraid of the police."
     
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    Those damn Iranian wahhabis
     
  20. Pete Cash

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    i know you read a book on Iran once so i know that you are an expert but to a layperson (i didnt read a book) shiite muslims don't appear to be raging global jihad against the west so i really don't give a shit what theocratic nonsense they get up to in their own country
     

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