Women Under Islam

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  1. Surely

    Surely Moderator Staff Member

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    You are correct Iran love the west and because they do their brand of Islam gets a free pass.
     
  2. Pete Cash

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    I dont think iran loves the west but i dont care if people hate me. Just so long as they arent blowing up westerners.

    We could criticise iran for days. They execute people like an Olympic sport, they have a literal morality police. I would hate to live there but we could say the same about much of their neighbours.

    The difference being as things stand in 2017 right now shia muslims dont appear to be blowing up westerners. Between me and you that is a pretty big difference
     
  3. gUt

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    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...al-mutilation-reported-in-england-since-2016/

    Over 5,000 New Cases of Female Genital Mutilation Reported in England Since 2016

    The National Health Service (NHS) in England just released a report detailing the number of cases of female genital mutilation doctors reported over the past year. That includes babies mutilated by someone else as well as women giving birth who had clearly been mutilated in the past.

    How many is too many? How many would you you expect to see in England? Sure, even one is disturbing, but if you had asked me to guess, I would never have picked a number this large.

    The findings show that in the last year there were 9,179 attendances in which FGM was either identified, treatment was given, or a woman with FGM had given birth to a baby girl.

    In total, 5,391 attendances were recorded in the system for the first time — 114 of which were girls under the age of 16.

    That’s a slight drop from the year before, but considering the number should be closer to zero, it’s not falling fast enough.

    Many of those women (35%) were born in Somalia (where religion and culture play heavy roles in FGM) and left, but 112 were born in the UK. Which makes you wonder what the hell was going on there. Anyone convicted of performing the procedure in the UK can go to jail for up to 14 years. If the doctors weren’t doing it, the alternatives are unimaginable.

    In the more than 30 years since FGM became illegal in the UK, not a single person has been convicted of the crime. Only one case has been brought to trial and nothing happened to the defendants.

    Without serious punishment brought upon those who facilitate and perform FGM, it won’t stop.

    And remember: These are only the cases doctors reported. We don’t know how many victims didn’t see a doctor in England last year or how many cases went unnoticed.
     
  4. millersnose

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    i have no idea whether or not its true but if it is its a disgrace
     
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    Are transmen included in thise stats?
     
  6. gUt

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    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-...-fundamentalism-and-far-right-un-says/9085310

    Women's rights threatened by fundamentalism and the far right, study finds

    The rise of religious fundamentalism and the far right poses a serious risk to global gender equality, according to a new United Nations report.

    Based on 54 submissions from governments, academics and non-government organisations, the report asserts that religious and non-religious extremist agendas are undermining women's liberties around the world, including in Australia.

    In a submission to the report, the NGO Australian Lawyers for Human Rights said the mainstreaming of extremist ideas in the nation's public discourse was a threat to women.

    Professor Karima Bennoune, UN Special Rapporteur on Cultural Rights and author of the report, said Australian Lawyers for Human Rights had raised particular concerns over a rise in "populist ultra-nationalism".

    "In its view, [the far right] was trying to impose so-called 'authentic Australian culture' on women, especially those from diverse ethnic backgrounds," she said.

    Professor Bennoune said the abuse of women's human rights by ISIS was the impetus for the report.

    "But also … the backlash against people speaking foreign languages in the United Kingdom after the Brexit vote, and the rise of hateful discourse after the elections in the United States last fall," she said.

    Dressing up gender discrimination
    The report notes that fundamentalist and extremist movements of all stripes reject notions of equality and the universality of human rights.

    For women, it states, this can translate to "modest dress" requirements, a lack of reproductive rights, threats of discrimination, or demonisation for failing to conform to gender stereotypes.

    "In the report, I talk about how every year thousands of Iranian women are reprimanded, arrested or prosecuted for the so-called crime of not wearing the hijab," she said.

    "In Sudan, women have been whipped for not being sufficiently covered, [and] in Saudi Arabia … a woman who posted a photograph of herself on social media without a headscarf was arrested."

    According to Professor Bennoune, who is also the author of Your Fatwa Does Not Apply Here, fundamentalist groups aren't the only ones who enforce discrimination — governments, educators and social networks are also complicit.

    The report notes that governments and human rights organisations accept human rights violations or forms of discrimination in the name of cultural relativism.

    "It really undermines the struggle for women's equal cultural rights when people give in to the argument that the fundamentalists make — that they are the 'authentic' voice," Professor Bennoune said.

    Governments that cite cultural practices while objecting to women's rights defenders, are "aiding and abetting extremism", the report states.

    The political practice of partnering with non-violent extremist groups are also marked as a cause of concern.

    "In many places where governments have strategies for what is called combatting violent extremism or CVE, they sometimes base strategies on partnering with what they deem to be 'moderate extremists' or fundamentalists of various stripes — and I think this is a terrible mistake," Professor Bennoune said.

    "Often these so-called non-violent extremists espouse a discourse of discrimination against women that, in fact, ends up producing a great deal of violence against women."

    Professor Bennoune said that fundamentalist ideologies, not just instances of abuse, need to be addressed.

    "The international community recognised back in the era of Apartheid that the problem wasn't just the abuses, it was the ideology of racial superiority itself that had to be defeated — and I think that's what we're seeing here," she explained.

    The report's findings were presented to the General Assembly in New York on Wednesday.
     
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ing-ripped-jeans-nabih-al-wahsh-a8030831.html
    Egyptian lawyer says it's a national duty to rape girls who wear revealing clothing like ripped jeans

    An Egyptian lawyer has prompted outrage for saying harassing and raping girls who wear revealing clothing such as ripped jeans is a “national duty”.

    Nabih al-Wahsh, a prominent conservative, made the controversial comments during a TV panel show discussion debating a draft law on prostitution.

    "Are you happy when you see a girl walking down the street with half of her behind showing?" the lawyer said on Al-Assema earlier this month.

    He added: “I say that when a girl walks about like that, it is a patriotic duty to sexually harass her and a national duty to rape her.”

    Mr al-Wahsh’s remarks have prompted fury across the country and Egypt’s National Council for Women announced it plans to file a complaint against the TV channel. It also issued a plea for media outlets to refrain from providing a platform for individuals who make incendiary comments that incite violence against women.

    The National Council also said it would be filing a complaint against Mr al-Wahsh himself and rebuked his assertion.

    “All the members of the council denounce and decry this statement that explicitly promotes rape and sexual harassment,” it said in a statement.

    Maya Morsi, head of the council, argued his remarks constitute an actual violation of the Egyptian constitution that makes explicit efforts to safeguard women’s rights.

    The comments come after the Egyptian capital of Cairo was last month branded the “most dangerous” megacity for women in the first international poll which looked at how women fare in cities with over ten million people. Women's rights campaigners in the city say this stems from deeply entrenched centuries-old traditions of discrimination there and women having limited access to good healthcare, education, and finance.

    Prominent Egyptian journalist, Shahira Amin, said something as mundane and everyday as taking a stroll down the street in the capital could leave a woman vulnerable to harassment and abuse of all kinds.

    A 2008 study found that 83 per cent of Egyptian women said they had been sexually harassed and 53 per cent of men blamed women for “bringing it on themselves”.

    Mr al-Wahsh made headlines in October last year after his debate with a liberal cleric descended into chaos and chairs and shoes wound up flying around the TV studio.

    The fiercely heated discussion turned ferocious after Sheikh Rashad, who is famed for his permissive interpretation of Islam, argued women should not necessarily be required to cover their hair with a headscarf.

    “You're an apostate! You're an infidel” Mr Wahsh yelled.

    The cleric responded: “You're mentally ill. You belong in a mental hospital.”

    Mr al-Wahsh then took his shoe off in an apparent preparation for a fight as whacking someone with the sole of your shoe is a serious insult in the Arabic world. Mr Rashed then rushed at him while Mr al-Wash responded by hitting with his shoe.

    The spectacle culminated in the two men grappling across the debating area, smashing a glass panel and having to be pulled apart by the studio crew.

    Mr al-Wahsh has previously stated his opposition to women serving as judges. He argued if women become judges they could also become muftis, a Muslim legal expert who has the power to give rulings on religious issues, and would issue fatwas - a ruling on a point of Islamic law given by a recognised authority - while they are on their periods.

    He said: “If we let a woman become a judge, why shouldn't she become Sheik of Al-Azhar? Why shouldn't she become the Mufti? Why don't we all just go to Hell?! Will she issue me a fatwa while she is menstruating?!”
     
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    Don't you love conservatives.......
     
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    Sounds great. What channel is this on?
     
  10. Surely

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    If he has a hole in his pants or is showing to much knee that should be an invitation, no a national duty for homosexuals to give him a jolly good cornholing
     
  11. gUt

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    and once hes been raped he can be forced to be gay married to his rapists before chucking himself off the courthouse roof
     
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    True feminism:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-...-their-veils-in-defiant-viral-protest/9377596

    Iranian women remove their veils in defiant viral protest

    In the past 24 hours, the photos have gone viral. Young women standing tall and proud on the streets of Iran with their hair uncovered, defiantly waving their discarded headscarves on the end of sticks and in direct violation of the country's strict laws that force women to cover their hair.

    "They are risking their liberty, they are also exposing themselves to torture and other ill treatment at the hands of police and other paramilitary forces in Iran that enforce compulsory veiling against women," Raha Bahraini, Amnesty international's researcher on Iran, who has been closely following the spread of the powerful protest images, said.

    "The campaign has gathered force and I believe the social media platform has given women the opportunity to speak out for themselves and show that they do not accept this degradation anymore."

    The phenomenon began gathering pace five weeks ago, on December 27 when a young woman was photographed standing on top of an electricity box on a busy Tehran street, her long hair tumbling over her shoulder as she looked straight ahead, waving a white headscarf.

    Ms Bahraini says she received reports law enforcement officials arrested the woman on the spot and transferred her to a nearby detention centre.

    "No information about her fate or whereabouts was made available publicly," she said.

    "And this sparked fears about her safety and wellbeing."

    After the image quickly spread, activists launched a campaign under the hashtag #whereisshe — demanding Iranian authorities reveal the fate of the young woman who was later identified as Vida Movahed, a 31-year-old mother of a 19-month-old baby.

    Ms Bahraini said Ms Movahed was only just released on Sunday after a month in custody and that Amnesty is monitoring the case because she is still at risk of criminal prosecution.

    "We call on Iranian authorities to drop any charges that have been brought against her," she told the ABC.

    "Under the Islamic penal code in Iran, any act that is deemed offensive to public decency is punished with a prison term of 10 days to two months, or 74 lashes."

    Nasrin Sotoudeh, a Tehran-based lawyer and human rights activist, was at the forefront of efforts to publicise Ms Movahed's plight.

    She said women in Iran want to have control over their own bodies.

    "We are calling on the power of the people to help put the matter to rest," she said.

    Since Ms Movahed's release, there has been an explosion of young women on social media following in her footsteps and the images are now spreading like crazy.

    "I am in awe of their courage and their bravery," Golnaz Esfandiari, an Iranian journalist living in exile and working as a senior correspondent for Radio Free Europe, said.

    "Many people try to downplay it, saying, you know, it's not an issue for Iranian women," she said.

    "But as a woman who grew up in Iran I can tell you it's a big issue.

    "Many Iranian women are fed up with this hijab rule and now we are seeing them take to the streets."

    The fate of all the copycat protesters is unclear, but Ms Sotoudeh reported at least one was arrested on the spot.

    Ms Esfandiari said the protests tie in with wider, anti-regime demonstrations that took place across 80 Iranian cities in December, when more than 1,000 people were arrested and 25 killed.

    "The fear factor is going away for some people inside the country and they are so frustrated they are not afraid anymore to take to the streets and publicly protest," she told the ABC.
     
  13. millersnose

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    Don't these women understand it's choice
     
  14. gUt

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    They just don't understand how empowering it is to be forced by a religion to cover themselves or be shamed/punished/raped. They should spend time listening to Muslim women living in non-Sharia countries who have no f**king idea about how bad this religion is when and where it holds temporal power.
     
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    I recently watched a doco about the rise of Islamic extremism in Pakistan and it was truly heartbreaking.

    One young girl fled the local Red Mosque where she was subjected to neglect and abuse by jumping over a large wall. She proceeded to attend a local non religious school to fulfill her dream of an education.

    Sadly the school had to be shut down due to threats and attacks by Islamic extremists from the Red Mosque.

    As a result, and with little money, her dad felt he had no choice but to marry her off to a man over twice her age. The show ended by saying that she now has a child.

    Where is her march? Where is the #metoo movement for this young girl and the many thousands like her after Islamism has destroyed their lives?
     
  16. Tommy Smith

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    P.S. I would like to apologise for the very Islamophobic post above.

    Shame on me.

    It's actually the most feminist relgion (as you can tell by that example). Yassmin told me.
     
  17. B-dos

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    no doubt a sad story

    hopefully the celebrity me too movement will work its magic over there soon

    oh hang on, the celebs in the US were wearing hijabs etc as a sign of power and solidarity werent they? lol....
     
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    Well, better to do that than to wear one in Federal Senate as a stunt only to get an arse ripping by the Attorney General afterwards.
     
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    These women need to get on the trolley and join the #modest economy like DFAT has suggested

     
  20. Tommy Smith

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    I've been trying to forget about George's tearful defence of a symbol of female oppression.

    Thanks for reminding me!
     

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