Women Under Islam

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  1. Game_Breaker

    Game_Breaker First Grade

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    Don’t see why Abbott was whinging

    It’s a great economic opportunity. He seems anti-trade
     
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  2. Pantherjim.

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    “Symbol of female oppression” or not, it was a pretty objectionable stunt performed to score cheap political points all because she hates Muslims.
     
  3. Tommy Smith

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    There's no "or not" about it.

    Nowhere in Islam does is state that women must wear a burqa. The Taliban enforced it upon women in Afghanistan; and it's also common in other conservative Islamic countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    No coincidence that Islamic women in South East Asian majority Muslim countries and the West overwhelming choose the hijab.

    And of course it was a cheap stunt. And Pauline hates Islam. She's a bogan no doubt.

    Exactly why that stops the left from calling the burqa out for what it is I don't know.

    Identity politics I guess. The force is strong with it.
     
  4. Pantherjim.

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    You won’t get any arguments from me that it’s a hideous garment for women to wear.

    But instead of doing idiotic things like Pauline did in the Senate, let’s open up a discussion on the subject with Islamic community leaders.
     
  5. magpie4ever

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    Talk about going off on a tangent - the story is about women in Iran suffer torture and arrest because they wish the right to wear or not whatever the wish but somehow PennyJimbo brings it back to a goose of a woman in Australia.

    Deflection.
     
  6. gUt

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    Some true feminist heroes:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-02/disguised-women-sneak-into-iranian-football-match/9718494

    Iranian women disguise themselves in fake beards and wigs to defy male-only stadium ban

    A group of female football fans donned fake beards and wigs to sneak into a major soccer match in Iran in defiance of a ban on female spectators.

    Photos and video of the fans sitting in Tehran's Azadi Stadium disguised as men on Friday have gone viral on social media.

    They were watching their team Persepolis crowned champions.

    The Islamic Republic has long banned women from attending men's football matches and other sports fixtures, based at least partly on the theory that women should not hear fans swear.

    In 2014, a British-Iranian woman was jailed for a year after trying to attend a men's volleyball match. In March this year, 35 women were detained for trying to attend a match at the same stadium.

    "I am very proud of them and impressed that they can be so fearless, because it is a huge risk that they do that," Melody Safavi, Iranian women's rights activist and singer told Reuters.

    Safavi is in the Iranian reggae band Abjeez, whose song Stadium calls on Iranian men to support women in their fight to be allowed into sports fixtures. She lives in self-imposed exile in the United States.
    "They are trying to break a lot of lines and taboos," said Shadi Amin, an Iranian women's and LGBT rights activist.

    "For other people it is a small step, but for us it is a big step, because the cost of this action is not small. They risk being arrested," she said.

    The Iranian group OpenStadiums, which is campaigning for the right of women to attend sports fixtures in the Islamic Republic, said that some women were arrested near Azadi stadium in March during the Esteghlal-Persepolis match.

    Saudi Arabia last year overturned a ban on women watching sporting events, one of a series of reforms in the deeply conservative Sunni Muslim kingdom.

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  7. Snoop

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    Can a Muslim woman forgo a head covering so long as she is sporting a beard?
     
  8. Mr Spock!

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    You tell us.

    You're the expert....apparently.....
     
  9. Surely

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    They could have just walked in on their hands
     
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  10. Mong

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    “Are there any women here today?”

    There’s a quality life of Brian moment if ever there was one :joy:
     
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  11. The Charlatan

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    Cunny funt.
     
  12. gUt

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    I'm not sure that would work, aren't Muslim ladies really hairless under all those layers of sack cloth many of them are forced to wear?
     
  13. Tommy Smith

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    I had the misfortune of coming across this the other day...

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    Cultural relativism is truly cancerous.

    That image completely ignores personal freedom and the right to choose.

    The woman on the left can dress in a Bikini on Saturday and wear a niqab or whatever else she wants on Sunday.

    The woman on the right, can she choose to wear swimwear the day after?

    Of course not, because she has significantly less freedom.

    But apparently this fact is too hard a pill for some to swallow as they'd rather live in a fantasy land where all cultures are equal.

    This idea is dangerous because why try and promote change if you don't think some ideals are better than others?
     
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  14. Mr Spock!

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    To be free not to free.....

    Now there's a conundrum.....

    Its ironic how the Right advocate free speech and freedom of religion while denying the same to Muslims.

    Just piss em all off to the Middle East where they can fight over who is more pure and hates gays more and leave civilised humans alone who don't want to listen to their ignorance.
     
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  15. Surely

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    It would be great if people didn't believe in stories written a couple of thousand years ago by old men

    Unfortunately they do, what would be good is if they didn't force society to accommodate their archaic beliefs.
     
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    Agree. A lot of emphasis on freedom of religion, be nice if freedom from religion was held in the same regard.
     
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  17. gUt

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    On the same day the ABC runs a puff piece on some dude's dream coming true of going to Mecca to walk around some rocks, they can't bring themselves to name the religion when referring to "religious courts" allowing children to get married.

    In a democracy.

    In 2018.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-17/indonesia-urged-to-speed-up-outlawing-child-marriage/9763598

    Indonesian President Joko Widodo urged to speed up outlawing of child marriages

    Indonesian President Joko Widodo is facing calls to speed up an end to child marriages as experts warn the situation has reached "emergency" point.

    The push comes amid reports that Indonesian girls as young as 14 are still getting married in the country.

    Although the legal age for marriage is 19 for men and 16 for girls, a loophole allows an exception for underage couples if they are given permission by a religious court.

    Mr Widodo has the power to overrule an existing law by issuing a "Perppu", or presidential decree, which he said last month he would pursue "as soon as possible".

    The University of Indonesia's Sulistyowati Irianto said the rate of child marriages had hit a state of "emergency", with more underage couples getting married in recent months.

    "The President has to consider political landscapes at the moment, but I hope the Perppu will be issued soon," Dr Irianto told the ABC.

    Altering the status quo risks upsetting sections of the community, especially religious groups.

    But calls for urgent change have been fuelled by an Indonesian Government/UNICEF report estimating 17 per cent of Indonesian girls were married before the age of 18.

    Debate back in spotlight as 14yo marries 15yo
    The debate was thrown back into the spotlight when the marriage of a 14-year-old girl and 15-year-old boy in Sulawesi went viral, prompting the Women's Empowerment and Child Protection Ministry to intervene.

    According to CNN Indonesia, the intervention failed, and the couple were wed despite the high-profile calls to stop the ceremony.

    Another case in Sulawesi saw a 16-year-old boy marry a 14-year-old girl after gaining a dispensation from a local religious court.

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    A similar situation also took place in Lombok when a 14-year-old girl and a 15-year-old boy were wed by their parents.

    The exceptions granted by the Marriage Act are "misused by many underage couples to get married", local Lombok official Muhammad Idrus said.

    Belief adulthood 'begins at first period'
    Dr Irianto was invited earlier this month, along with other experts, to the presidential office in Jakarta to discuss how the Government could end underage marriages.

    "The President is under pressure because he wants to crack down on this practice, but he is well aware that politically, it is very sensitive to revise marriage law," Dr Irianto told the ABC.

    Dr Irianto said some parents gave their approval based on a cultural perception of adulthood, believing it started when a girl had her period for the first time.

    That was the case for the parents of a 12-year-old girl and her 21-year-old partner in Sinjai, a district in South Sulawesi province.

    The families said the girl was ready to be a bride, but as news went viral on social media, local authorities quickly moved to prevent the wedding.

    The would-be bride's father told local media that the marriage was cancelled because no civil or religious registry was willing to carry out the wedding.

    Mr Idrus, the Lombok official, said some parents of underage couples gave their approval in order to prevent sexual relationships outside marriage.

    "Usually judges in religious courts would agree to this argument based on moral grounds," he said.

    This exception, according to Dr Irianto, is a loophole in the law that can be revised by a presidential decree.
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  18. 2_Smoking_Guns

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    Given that underage boys are also the victims here this really belongs in the ridiculing religion or everybody hates muslims thread.
     
  19. Tommy Smith

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    You misspelled the "I believe in equal rights for all - women, homosexuals, apostates, and other minorities - above all else thread".
     
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