Would you like same-sex marriage legalised?

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Would you like same-sex marriage legalised?

Poll closed Sep 7, 2017.
  1. No

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    17.9%
  2. Yes

    74 vote(s)
    77.9%
  3. Not sure

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    4.2%
  1. Danish

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    At the moment we are able to meet the pay demands of teachers, so it hasn't come to that.

    If teachers walk off the job demanding a pay increase that the government cannot financially cover, what do you think are our options for continuing to provide people with their "right" to education"?


    I've already stated I'm well aware that many nations happily restrict their citizens rights. That doesn't stop them from being rights.

    I honestly don't think its that hard of a concept. The only rights that a human can logically argue they have are those which do not rely on the labour of others. You don't need anyone else or even to be a member of a society to be able have freedom of thought/expression/religion. In fact living outside of a society is probably the easiest way to practice your basic human rights tbh.

    Education, housing, police protection and all that jazz are privileges we get access to by agreeing to give up some of our rights and joining a society.
     
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  2. B-dos

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    good post danish
     
  3. Jimbo

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    lol

    Hypocrite
     
  4. Collateral

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    KBW would fit right in as a Unionist wannabe standover man. Perfect institution for him these days.

    All bluster.
     
  5. Pete Cash

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    They could do lots of things but society sees a k-12 education as a right so teachers do have an unusual amount of labour power with the government


    Yes it does by your standard because it relies on the society you are in. Both rights (say a right to education and freedom of religion) are dependent on those around you.

    Even in a stateless society if your neighbours didnt want a Christian/muslim/etc next door they could just kill you.

    Oh so the state can guarantee those rights ? Thanks i guess ?

    There are no categories of rights. Just rights
     
  6. Mong

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    lolz at the mindset of conservative no voters..

    A taking the piss symbolic union between a lady and a bridge in France 4 years ago becomes

    Andrew Bolt Blog Posts
    SLIPPERY SLOPE: NOW WOMAN MARRIES BRIDGE

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ance--gets-mayors-blessing.html#ixzz4vF4XdGVt

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...e/news-story/6334934847a5ec9b817540cb107af233


    Fortunately a lot of Andy B's readers recognised it for the stupidity it is however there are those that are the true conservative unable to think for themselves who lapped it up with dire warnings about how this could happen here.. (even though it already could and could have done so for a long long time in reality)

    Are there any levels that the no camp won't go?
     
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  7. 2_Smoking_Guns

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    oh dear.... that was funny as f**k... love the ring.... did Andy not notice the little statement at the end that says the union is not recognized in France..?? and this in spite of ssm being legal more than 4 years.....
     
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  8. Mong

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    It's nearly as good as B Dos losing his mind over the slippery slope of pronouns, not quite though.
     
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    tell that to the thousands already locked up awaiting trial for pronoun related crimes..!!!
     
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  10. Mong

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    Lolz
     
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    Haha. This is gold.

    Talk about being a snowflake.
     
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    Safe schools taught my son it was OK to go to school dressed like a bridge
     
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    [strained face and haunting piano music]
     
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    It's not that hard of a concept to understand that education and health are rights in modern societies.

    It has nothing at all to with paying for it.

    In fact your right to life is based on a police force and legislation.

    Of course go back 200 years or less in some cultures and children didn't have rights at all.

    Hence why western society developed legislation protecting children and guaranteeing their rights.

    It's weird that someone would think gun ownership is more of a right than health and education.

    But then that's the sort of bs conservatives from the US push.
     
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    But...but...Canada....
     
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  18. 2_Smoking_Guns

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    the slippery slope is evident here.... he obviously has gay parents......
     
  19. Danish

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    Society has an expectation that k-12 education should be provided. Doesn't make it a right

    Religious freedom requires nothing from anyone else but yourself. Education requires the labour of others to occur. They are clearly not in the same class.

    And yep, someone can of course try and infringe on your right to life by trying to kill you. You then have the right to defend yourself with as much for as required, up to and including killing them in self defence.

    If you lose the fight and they do kill you, that doesn't stop the right to life from existing. Just means it was infringed.

    No the state can't guarantee those things at all. They can simply try their best to provide the goods and services we have come to expect as benefits of society. They are in no way guaranteed.

    Oh and I agree there are no categories of rights. All rights are the same i.e. individual liberties that all people should be allowed to control in their own lives e.g. thought, expression, religion, etc. These things fundamentally have no bearing on the life of others.

    Goods and services that we think people should have access to are not rights
     
  20. Danish

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    Your admission that the ability to provide a good or service has no bearing on your right to it is proof of that your understanding of rights is about on par with a toddler demanding a toy from his parents.

    Rights can't be bought and sold. They aren't commodities with a price tag. They are not external things that need to be physically given to you by someone else. Those are what you call needs and wants, and none of us have a "right" to any of them.
     

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