R 19 v Feather dusters

[franklin2323]

I thought we handled the big Souths pack when we played them. We had decent field position for much of that game. Couldn't buy a try though.

And the Bulldogs. Fatigue will be the killer for us. A good start and a heap of ball early are a must

 

[Doomednow]

Headgear doesnt do anything to limit concussions apparently, just protects the outer layers if that makes sense.

Yeah I think concussions come from the brain bouncing around the inside of the skull. Headgear won't do much to stop that.

 

[roofromoz]

Really like seeing Moylan at 6 - it was always on the cards long term anyway given his skills, look forward to seeing a taste of it this week.

I also subscribe to the theory that a debutant will get blooded in place of Mansour.

Also, if the stats are right, this match is McKendry's 100th NRL match.

 

[Thirsty Panther]

Yeah I think concussions come from the brain bouncing around the inside of the skull. Headgear won't do much to stop that.

Yes that right. The NFL in the USA is having all sorts of problems with players and brain injuries. They wear helmets and players still get head injuries. Team that up with enthusiastic legal system and you get nervous administrators.

 

[Nealo 12]

Yes that right. The NFL in the USA is having all sorts of problems with players and brain injuries. They wear helmets and players still get head injuries. Team that up with enthusiastic legal system and you get nervous administrators.

They did have guys leading with their helmets and using them as weapons they then had to adjust the rules to suit.

 

[Pomoz]

There are some really misleading comments on here about head injuries. Head gear and helmets will not prevent injuries, that much is true. But if you understand the basic laws of physics, head cover will provide some protection. If you hit Adam Docker straight on his head with a force of 10 newtons, then he will absorb the full 10 newtons. If you hit him on his head and he has head gear on, the headgear will absorb some of the impact and he will absorb less than 10 newtons. There are numerous studies to prove that this is the case. It is why it is illegal to ride a motorbike in the UK without a hemet on. Let's stop with this quackery that helmets or headgear won't help. They will. Fact.

As for the issue of Adam Docker last week. He may have been hit in the head and went off because he thought he had damaged his cheekbone or jaw. You can break your cheekbone or jaw without getting concussion. He would not have been let back on if he failed the concussion test.

 

[umina panther]

Headgear stops cuts and that's about it

 

[Thirsty Panther]

A study, conducted by researchers at the Florida Center for Headache and Sports Neurology, compared 10 of the most widely used football helmets in drop tests designed to measure the kinds of forces that are most likely to result in concussion. The study, to be presented at the April meeting of the American Academy of Neurology, attempted to looked at what influence football helmets might have on preventing concussions. The results of the study found that helmets, while effective in reducing the number of skull fractures and brain contusions, are not effective in reducing the shear forces involved when an athlete sustains a concussion.

FYI from
http://www.sportsafetyinternational.org/new-football-helmet-study/

 

[betcats]

There are some really misleading comments on here about head injuries. Head gear and helmets will not prevent injuries, that much is true. But if you understand the basic laws of physics, head cover will provide some protection. If you hit Adam Docker straight on his head with a force of 10 newtons, then he will absorb the full 10 newtons. If you hit him on his head and he has head gear on, the headgear will absorb some of the impact and he will absorb less than 10 newtons. There are numerous studies to prove that this is the case. It is why it is illegal to ride a motorbike in the UK without a hemet on. Let's stop with this quackery that helmets or headgear won't help. They will. Fact.

As for the issue of Adam Docker last week. He may have been hit in the head and went off because he thought he had damaged his cheekbone or jaw. You can break your cheekbone or jaw without getting concussion. He would not have been let back on if he failed the concussion test.

If headgear offered any significant protection you'd think a bloke who had almost from brain injuries would be made to wear it.

Im no expert but Ive heard more then once that headgear does next to nothing in protecting the brain, it might stop a cut or a cracked skull but the brain still rattles.

Edit:


http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/headgear-wont-stop-concussion-20120903-25all.html

http://www.science.unsw.edu.au/news/padded-headgear-wont-stop-concussion

"Skull fractures and intracranial bleeding are rare in Rugby injuries, but concussion is relatively common," says Dr McIntosh. "There's some evidence that the standard headgear may prevent some minor head wounds but our study found that it was of no benefit in preventing concussion."​

The article did say well designed helmet like the motorbike ones can help by spreading the impact over a larger area but the shit footy players wear does nothing. ​

There are a lot more links i could post from a simple google search saying that headgear does nothing to stop concussions.​

 

[Pomoz]

Headgear stops cuts and that's about it

Did you actually read what I wrote? There are a number of studies that prove that headgear reduces injuries. It also accords with the basic rules of physics. It is the same principle as to why cars have crumple zones to absorb impact.

Stop writing something that is incorrect. It could encourage anybody reading this to stop using head protection.

Here is one article outlining the science in relation to helmets. Headgear is no different, although obviously it will offer less protection than a helmet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11388933

There are literally hundreds of studies showing why head protection works.

 

[betcats]

Did you actually read what I wrote? There are a number of studies that prove that headgear reduces injuries. It also accords with the basic rules of physics. It is the same principle as to why cars have crumple zones to absorb impact.

Stop writing something that is incorrect. It could encourage anybody reading this to stop using head protection.

Here is one article outlining the science in relation to helmets. Headgear is no different, although obviously it will offer less protection than a helmet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11388933

There are literally hundreds of studies showing why head protection works.

Compairing motorbike helmets to headgear is what's misleading mate, read my above links, there are doctors and studies saying headgear doesnt work to stop concussions at all. The NRL chief medical officer himself is quoted saying headgear does nothing.

 

[forby]

Does anybody know what jerseys we are wearing tomorrow - Pink or white?

 

[mxlegend99]

NRL latemail:Josh Mansour is in serious doubt with the ankle injury he suffered last week but is considered some chance of playing. A decision on the barnstorming winger isn't expected to be made until Saturday.


Roger Tuivasa-Sheck is on track to come into the side on the wing after recovering from his hamstring injury. He would replace rookie Brendan Elliot in the side.

 

[umina panther]

I read it and I think its bullshit. The foam in headgear is too thin to make any noticeable difference.

It might help if it was as thick as boxing heargear*

 

[Pomoz]

If headgear offered any significant protection you'd think a bloke who had almost from brain injuries would be made to wear it.

Im no expert but Ive heard more then once that headgear does next to nothing in protecting the brain, it might stop a cut or a cracked skull but the brain still rattles.

Edit:


http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/headgear-wont-stop-concussion-20120903-25all.html

http://www.science.unsw.edu.au/news/padded-headgear-wont-stop-concussion

"Skull fractures and intracranial bleeding are rare in Rugby injuries, but concussion is relatively common," says Dr McIntosh. "There's some evidence that the standard headgear may prevent some minor head wounds but our study found that it was of no benefit in preventing concussion."​

The article did say well designed helmet like the motorbike ones can help by spreading the impact over a larger area but the shit footy players wear does nothing. ​

There are a lot more links i could post from a simple google search saying that headgear does nothing to stop concussions.​

There are also a number of studies to say the opposite. Here is one from the British Journal of Sports Medicine. http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/42/2/110

As I have said above, it also flies in the face of basic physics. Headgear will dissipate the force of a blow to the head as the foam compresses when it is hit, absorbing some of the energy. It will not stop all concussions, it will reduce the severity of a concussion. It is not as good as a well made helmet with foam and webbing, but it is better than bone on bone. I am sure that some of the cheap headgear is next to useless, but if it is well made it will offer some protection.

Why would you not err on the side of caution and wear headgear if you had received a few too many knocks on the head?

 

[chrisD]

Shouldn't risk Mansour.

 

[umina panther]

I wore headgear because Steve Renouf was my favorite player......eww a bronco

 

[Pomoz]

Compairing motorbike helmets to headgear is what's misleading mate, read my above links, there are doctors and studies saying headgear doesnt work to stop concussions at all. The NRL chief medical officer himself is quoted saying headgear does nothing.

I am not trying to say they will have the same impact, but the principles are the same. The absorption of kinetic energy by some form of barrier. In the end it will come down to the quality of the headgear.

In my view, with the recent concerns over the impact of concussions this subject should be revisited and a some research into better quality headgear undertaken. We shouldn't be seeing blokes like Liam Fulton having to retire at such a young age.

 

[betcats]

There are also a number of studies to say the opposite. Here is one from the British Journal of Sports Medicine. http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/42/2/110

As I have said above, it also flies in the face of basic physics. Headgear will dissipate the force of a blow to the head as the foam compresses when it is hit, absorbing some of the energy. It will not stop all concussions, it will reduce the severity of a concussion. It is not as good as a well made helmet with foam and webbing, but it is better than bone on bone. I am sure that some of the cheap headgear is next to useless, but if it is well made it will offer some protection.

Why would you not err on the side of caution and wear headgear if you had received a few too many knocks on the head?

Because it is fairly well proven it does nothing to stop concussions. I saw that article when I did my search, there are far more saying the opposite.

 

[Pomoz]

I wore headgear because Steve Renouf was my favorite player......eww a bronco

You are onto something there. If we wanted to encourage young kids to wear headgear, it would only need a few stars like SBW to do it and kids would be onto it in a flash.

The pearl. What a player. We used to think Robbie Beckett was a fast winger at the Panthers. We played the Broncos and Renouf went around him like Beckett had diving boots on and acme anvils in his pockets.