Rumoured/Confirmed Signings and More Crap XVII

[parra pete]

What 'more' has Brian Smith acheived as compared to Ando and winning comps?? He stacks up rather poorly in that regard.

Smith is (was?) the master club builder in terms of bringing in talent. But you need to donwhat the Chooks did, hire him for 5, punt him early and hire the blokes you believe can win a comp with the talent Smithy gathered. Good thinker, solid coach, but not a premiership winning coach (wish he had won one, especially with us!!)

In my opinion, Brian Smith OVER ACHIEVED with teams he coached. Some of his beaten Grand Final teams did not have the necessary talent to be legitimate premiership contenders.

 

[Jodeci]

What 'more' has Brian Smith acheived as compared to Ando and winning comps?? He stacks up rather poorly in that regard.

Smith is (was?) the master club builder in terms of bringing in talent. But you need to donwhat the Chooks did, hire him for 5, punt him early and hire the blokes you believe can win a comp with the talent Smithy gathered. Good thinker, solid coach, but not a premiership winning coach (wish he had won one, especially with us!!)

The fact that we are even comparing the 2 is embarrassing. To coach over 600 NRL games is an achievement that only a few will ever get to do.

Please....

 

[parra pete]

You don't coach teams into a Grand Final at top level if you don't now the trade. Just sayin'

 

[Poupou Escobar]

For that right wing spot we have: Vai Toutai, Fabian Goodall, Bureta Faraimo, Halauafua Lavaka, Eto Nabuli, and possibly Leva Li fighting it out.

You could say Nabuli has a better opportunity at Parra than at Penrith but with all our options we surely wouldn't be paying him inside our top 25. At least not yet.

I'd say we have one or more top 25 spots open for next year, with decisions to be made on blokes currently signed on second tier amounts. These spots would likely be filled by upgrades to the most competitive second tier players. Maybe.

 

[emjaycee]

Umm, I will play devils advocate, but you do coach over 600 NRL games (which I agree, is an achievement) if the club you spend 10 years and nearly 250 of those 601 games coaching at accepts not winning the GF as still being successful.

 

[Bigfella]

It's not exactly a world heavyweight title fight though is it pou?

It's about seventh on the undercard of a Paul Gallen fundraising event.

 

[oldmancraigy]

I didn't say he didn't know the trade. He is certainly a good coach.

I questioned in what way he has 'done more' than Ando when it comes to winning comps? Gronk put forth the evidence of Ando's success, and Jodeci said 'Smith has done more' --> where is the evidence of the more?
Ando is a great coach, who is held back by a perceived inability to relate (real or otherwise).

Anderson is 47, and from the age of 47 and onwards, Smith has coached some 275 games in that time span (Ando has 221 to his name already). The 'lifetime achievement' (in terms of games coached) of a veteran coach shouldn't be held against someone who, in theory, could get close to that number.

They are apples and oranges IMO. One bloke you bring in to build a club in turmoil (Smith is an all time legend in that regard); the other bloke you bring in for a '2 year title fight' (Anderson has high levels of short term NRL success, and long term Superleague success).

 

[oldmancraigy]

You could say Nabuli has a better opportunity at Parra than at Penrith but with all our options we surely wouldn't be paying him inside our top 25. At least not yet.

I'd say we have one or more top 25 spots open for next year, with decisions to be made on blokes currently signed on second tier amounts. These spots would likely be filled by upgrades to the most competitive second tier players. Maybe.

Hopefully!!

Mind you, Nabuli has as much chance as anyone else of being the 'other' first grade winger!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

It's not exactly a world heavyweight title fight though is it pou?

It's about seventh on the undercard of a Paul Gallen fundraising event.

If anyone is going to have a breakout year it's a young outside back. We have plenty of those on the books for next year. We only need one of them to come good, as happened this year with S-Rad.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Eto while it has yet been confirmed as coming, is just as likely to have a break out year too. It's not like he has been around for a while, he has only been playing league for 2 years with pretty good form in nsw cup - actually better form then any of the wing candidates currently at the club.

 

[Jodeci]

Umm, I will play devils advocate, but you do coach over 600 NRL games (which I agree, is an achievement) if the club you spend 10 years and nearly 250 of those 601 games coaching at accepts not winning the GF as still being successful.

I suppose making the finals in 97, 98, 99, 2000, GF 2001, 2002, 2005 minor premiers would keep you in a job for that long?

In the nine and a half years Smithy was at the club, we made the finals 7 times.

But but he spent most of his time at parra. Why wouldnt he, we made the finals 7 times!!!!!

That will do me

 

[Jodeci]

I didn't say he didn't know the trade. He is certainly a good coach.

I questioned in what way he has 'done more' than Ando when it comes to winning comps? Gronk put forth the evidence of Ando's success, and Jodeci said 'Smith has done more' --> where is the evidence of the more?
Ando is a great coach, who is held back by a perceived inability to relate (real or otherwise).

Anderson is 47, and from the age of 47 and onwards, Smith has coached some 275 games in that time span (Ando has 221 to his name already). The 'lifetime achievement' (in terms of games coached) of a veteran coach shouldn't be held against someone who, in theory, could get close to that number.

They are apples and oranges IMO. One bloke you bring in to build a club in turmoil (Smith is an all time legend in that regard); the other bloke you bring in for a '2 year title fight' (Anderson has high levels of short term NRL success, and long term Superleague success).

When Anderson coaches 604 games, then we can debate it, until then to even suggest whose done more etc is not a discussion.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Smith has the best record in the NRL at building clubs. The fact he never won a premiership does seem to say a lot about him, though I agree his teams generally overachieved.

 

[Doomednow]

For that right wing spot we have: Vai Toutai, Fabian Goodall, Bureta Faraimo, Halauafua Lavaka, Eto Nabuli, and possibly Leva Li fighting it out.

I wasn't aware, and that's disappointing. I was hoping he moved for a better chance to play first grade and I would get to see him run out.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I wasn't aware, and that's disappointing. I was hoping he moved for a better chance to play first grade and I would get to see him run out.

He still probably has a better chance than he did if he stayed at Penrith; he's just not a sure thing. For example one of his competitors was just named NSW Cup player of the year.

 

[hindy111]

In my opinion, Brian Smith OVER ACHIEVED with teams he coached. Some of his beaten Grand Final teams did not have the necessary talent to be legitimate premiership contenders.

Hit the nail on the head.
His dragons team was never going to beat that Brisbane side.He took the rooosters from wooden spoon to the grand final.And he turned JT-Beautner and brad drew-Three guys playing in reserve grade the year prior into the form players of the comp.They propelled parra into the GF.At the start of the year we where not rated at all in 2001.

 

[hindy111]

Difference is Penrith have Josh Mansour who was unlucky not too play origin and DZW who is one of the hottest young talents in the NRL.And both are young.
Unless injuries he has almost no chance of a spot.

At parra you would think he would be evens to make the side for that vacant spot.
His biggest competition would be goodal and Faraimo at this stage.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

I think Eto would play all over Bureta. 197cm winger vs 180cm winger. I'm sure Eto is much faster than Bureta as well. We might find out this Sunday.

 

[lingard]

He was a f**king amateur... but Pou wouldn't believe it until the other NRL clubs didn't offer Kearney a head coach gig afterwards. The rest of us (of course) could see the proof much earlier on the paddock, in the consistently underperforming first grade squad Kearney was responsble for.

Yes, but an amateur leader or amateur manager? That's the question.

 

[lingard]

The same could be said for Daniel Anderson.

Applied for the Bulldogs role and Hasler got the gig.

Hasn't coached since 2010.

Same boat as Kearney.

A few more credits to his name though, mate.