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Rumoured signings 2014 / 2015

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Nice Beaver

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So how do think it can be balanced out then?

Well if all of these companies that you talk of are nation wide, how about allowing the clubs that get 1 or 2 games a year of free to air TV more time on the free to air channel?
Why the f*ck would ABC Ltd offer massive third party deals to a player from a club who will give them bugger all exposure??

If the NRL wants to even attempt to have a theoretically even competition then all teams should have equal exposure to free to air games.

At the very least, say 6 games per team on free to air. Its a start.

The Bronco's have a mortgage on Friday night free to air exposure. And I'm not saying that is their fault - I know its channel nine that set the schedule, but if you are a sponsor, who do you throw money at?? Brisbane or Canberra? Bulldogs or Cronulla? Souffs or Newcastle? Its common sense.
 
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Might has well drive all our star players to RU and AFL headquarters then

Why? Only one genius ever went to the VFL and the ARU couldn't poach an egg with their empty war chest.

Perhaps driving them to Broncos HQ is what you really want. Not that the massive advantage they have has won them any comps lately so it's not all about money.
 

perverse

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I could see him coming to the Knights if we can't get the Mata'utia's to backflip on the Dogs, not that I particularly want him.

I have no idea about fixing the salary cap. I find the idea of a soft cap interesting. Perhaps allowing clubs to breach the cap with a financial penalty that is distributed to the remaining clubs. Count all payments under the cap. I'm not dedicated enough to put the thought into whether this would actually work, maybe someone who has will enlighten me.
 
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chewsta

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Well if all of these companies that you talk of are nation wide, how about allowing the clubs that get 1 or 2 games a year of free to air TV more time on the free to air channel?
Why the f*ck would ABC Ltd offer massive third party deals to a player from a club who will give them bugger all exposure??

If the NRL wants to even attempt to have a theoretically even competition then all teams should have equal exposure to free to air games.

At the very least, say 6 games per team on free to air. Its a start.

The Bronco's have a mortgage on Friday night free to air exposure. And I'm not saying that is their fault - I know its channel nine that set the schedule, but if you are a sponsor, who do you throw money at?? Brisbane or Canberra? Bulldogs or Cronulla? Souffs or Newcastle? Its common sense.


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Spot on mate, well said.
 

Packy

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Why? Only one genius ever went to the VFL and the ARU couldn't poach an egg with their empty war chest.

Perhaps driving them to Broncos HQ is what you really want. Not that the massive advantage they have has won them any comps lately so it's not all about money.

I'm all for getting players as much money as possible.
 

eozsmiles

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It doesn't at all surprise me to hear this from a Broncos fan. These big, national sponsors that you talk about are exactly the big market sponsors that the little clubs will never get a look-in for. Why would a national-profile sponsor want to sponsor Jarrod Mullen when they can sponsor a player that will get them 10x the exposure?

Additionally, as you've pointed out, only the absolute cream of the crop can get attention from said big sponsors. When you're playing for QLD, NSW or Australia, yeah, you tend to get a bit more exposure.

Even more than that - big market teams tend to dominate the free to air match time slots (could be because.. oh I dunno... they operate in a bigger market, with more supporters and ergo more exposure to potential sponsors). Dominating the free-to-air schedule only further works to increase the gap as sponsors gravitate towards the teams that do have the most exposure for their players. What logically follows from this is that sponsors get more exposure for themselves, which leads to more value for their investment, which means they can justify larger spend on sponsorships for such players.

None of this is really rocket science, anyone who thinks about this for more than a minute or 2 should come to the same conclusion. It all combines and amounts to an extremely unfair, unbalanced system.

One simple rule they could put in place to somewhat mitigate these issues is put a cap on the percentage of a contract that can include 3rd party sponsors. If a 3rd party sponsorship couldn't amount to more than 20 or 30% of a players contract, the little guys might be able to get more of a look-in. Of course, by extension this essentially sets a cap on third party agreements (to 20-30% of the salary cap total, using my example) and, in fact, includes TPA's as a part of the salary cap system, rather than completely outside it.

I've heard that the Milford deal for the Broncos includes more money outside the cap than in it. There's no way a Newcastle or a Canberra can ever, or will ever compete with that on any contract bar MAYBE an already established superstar who can attract national/international sponsorship off their own bat. Even then, as I've illustrated, a player is worth more to a sponsor playing for a big market team than a small market team.


While I essentially agree with you, I think it is a bit slack for clubs to just throw their arms in the air and say that they will never get the big support. Why do the dogs have more support than the Tigers? Because they have employed better front office staff and established relationships with sponsors and governments etc. They re-branded themselves after some scandals and chased solid coaches. They've built themselves into the most successful club in the west over the last 30 years and seem to enjoy the spoils over their direct competitors out there. And yeah, they've walked a fine line line, sometimes crossed it. You do have to push a hard bargain, hopefully without cheating though.

I don't know if Matt Gidley is the man to establish relationships and sell the Knights and their players to these sponsors, whether local, national, or international. Danny Buderus gets plenty of advertising work and appearances/speaking gigs in the Hunter. Good luck to Danny because he has earned his reputation and puts himself out there (both for charity and pay), but the knights want to establish connections with these organisations and steer that money to the playing group. It's not necesarily the massive Sydney money, but obviously people want to spend money on footy types in that part of the world, and the club wants it to be on current players. Plus the NRL (and it's clubs) have greater reach than ever before. Chinese and Russian computer companies are getting into our game. Clubs can look further than Henny Penny (yum) and they have to be proactive in using that cash for the best purposes Often that is strengthening the playing roster.

If Jarrod played for a club that had established a better image (in any market), a club with a more expansive outlook, and if he was willing to do more media, he might get some more $$$ from TPA's. That goes for most of the Knights, they are like ghosts. Only see them in cafes and pubs. God knows how Boyd got $200k in deals. Mason gets outside money, because he puts himself out there. Some clubs, like the knights, embrace the local image, which makes them less attractive to national and international sponsors, and even to other industries or new sponsors thinking about getting involved. Their players are reclusive and Tinks barred the local newspaper in a one team town - how do you get sponsors in any market with that kind of performance?

While the playing field may never be level, all clubs are able to employ good PR type staff, get their players to embrace the task (whether they like it or not) and bust their arse to get benefactors. Clubs that don't do that will fall far behind, especially if they are already in a tough market.

Back to the thread, apparently Tompkins wants to go home ASAP, hence the interest from the Warriors in both Josh Hoffman and Foran.
 

POPEYE

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Hoffman to Raiders is a good thing, Sticky's going to end up with as many locals as Melbourne . . . which is not a bad thing
 

bfoord

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What are Raiders fans thoughts on the rumored million dollar package that Stuart is putting together for Hoffman.

Apparently about 600k under the cap ... double his Broncos wage
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Fullbacks cost a premium, moving to Canberra costs a premium. 600k isn't that bad tbh. Milford has a lot of upside obviously, but for what he brings on a consistent basis I don't think he's that much better than Hoffman for the extra cash they were willing to spend to keep him.

Long term Milford will/should be far superior, but in the next season or two I don't think 600k would be a bad outlay all things considered.
 

nick87

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What are Raiders fans thoughts on the rumored million dollar package that Stuart is putting together for Hoffman.

Apparently about 600k under the cap ... double his Broncos wage
I would say as per usual, the papers are engaging in hyperbole
Hoffman isnt getting that money
 

bfoord

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I would say as per usual, the papers are engaging in hyperbole
Hoffman isnt getting that money

you hope ...

i think that Ricky is getting desperate for a high profile signing after so many rejections this year... and to do it he may be prepared to fork out that cash...

having said that i expect him to go to the Bulldogs
 
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