Rumoured/Confirmed Signings and More Crap XVIII

[Twizzle]

where did I say that ?

no one knows what he was on

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

All the third party stuff is meaningless because he could have gotten it at other clubs too. The question is what would it have cost to keep Hayne away from other clubs, or more to the point, what would it have cost to match other clubs desperate to sign him away from us. If you think that's only $600k you are kidding yourself.

No other clubs saw him as irreplaceable, so it's not certain he could've got the same level of TPAs elsewhere.

 

[Bigfella]

Of we paid takairangi 300 we should be replacing the entire football staff.

He couldn't get a run anywhere else pou.

If you could get takairangi for 300 and faoso for 2000 or hayne for 600 we are living in some sort of parralell universe

 

[strider]

Of we paid takairangi 300 we should be replacing the entire football staff.

He couldn't get a run anywhere else pou.

If you could get takairangi for 300 and faoso for 2000 or hayne for 600 we are living in some sort of parralell universe

agree ... i'd value both tak and richie around 150K - 200K max ..... saved you around 200K right there pou

 

[Twizzle]

a player must be bog average if he can only play on one side and its a pretty poor excuse to blame the player next to him

 

[yy_cheng]

Of we paid takairangi 300 we should be replacing the entire football staff.

He couldn't get a run anywhere else pou.

If you could get takairangi for 300 and faoso for 2000 or hayne for 600 we are living in some sort of parralell universe

Quantum mechanics dude

 

[Forty20]

The Tigers are apparently obligated to pay some portion of Takairangi's 2015 contract due to the way they opted out of his deal with them.

 

[The Colonel]

You reckon the new guys cost any less than $1.2M?

$500k Watmough
$300k Takairangi
$200k Fa'aoso
$100k Wicks
$100k Robinson
$1.2M Total

Plus previously announced signing Beau Champion who would be on at least $200k.

Then there's retention, with upgrades to the following players kicking in next year:

$200k Ma'u
$150k Radradra
$100k De Gois
$100k Edwards
$100k Gower
$100k Mannah
$100k Moeroa
$50k Toutai
-$100k Paulo

That's nearly a million worth of upgrades right there.

Obviously these contracts and upgrades are all speculative but IMO are realistic as well. I have assumed Joe Paulo took a pay cut and ignored likely rising salaries of existing players like Peats, Sandow and Pauli as well.

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Realistic? :lol:

The only realistic salary would be Watmough. Takarangi missed a three year deal with the Tigers and still wanted a three year deal but had to accept a one year deal with an option to play for us suggesting we were in the driving seat as to negotiations. If we offered 300,000 then we are idiots.


Fa'aoso is coming back from a broken neck and is a massive gamble even moreso at your 'realistic' estimate.

Wicks had some interest from other clubs so possibly and Robinson was without a club and would have come for the minimum.

Watmough could be topped up from third party deals as well suggesting that the apparent 750,000 we were paying players at other clubs could have been used to bring them in. The salary cap for 2015 has gone up as well.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Of we paid takairangi 300 we should be replacing the entire football staff.

He couldn't get a run anywhere else pou.

He could get a run nearly anywhere. The sticking point would be how much he was asking, and he would be asking a lot because he just had a breakout season. He proved his utility value (adds to his worth) as well as his attacking ability, plus he can defend at centre (a difficult defensive position).

He left the Titans because the Tigers offered more money, and was surely released because Taylor thought it was too much. The Tigers have cap pressure. They've just released Bodene Thompson who was also snapped up quickly, just like Takairangi.

This article says the Titans wanted to keep him but couldn't match the Tigers' offer.

If you could get takairangi for 300 and faoso for 2000 or hayne for 600 we are living in some sort of parralell universe

The average (mean) NRL contract is $262k (under the cap) next year. You reckon Hayne was only on just over double that?

If Hayne was on only $600k under next year's cap that would mean the other 24 players are on an average of more than $245k

Given Takairangi would have wanted more than one year, we would have had to pay more than what he was asking to get him for only one year. In that case $300k is a conservative estimate.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

a player must be bog average if he can only play on one side and its a pretty poor excuse to blame the player next to him

Every player can play both sides but most if not all play one side better.

As for blaming a bloke for an inside defender, Origin centre Will Hopoate also struggled defending outside Sandow.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Realistic? :lol:

Well tell me what you think they're on and we'll see how realistic it is.

If we have signed them to play first grade then they will be on first grade money.

The only realistic salary would be Watmough.

Actually I reckon Watmough is on a couple hundred grand more than that next year due to front loading.

Takarangi missed a three year deal with the Tigers

He didn't miss anything. He signed the deal, after the Titans wanted to keep him.

Tigers might be subsidising his salary but if he wasn't on big money Taylor wouldn't have let him go.

and still wanted a three year deal but had to accept a one year deal with an option to play for us suggesting we were in the driving seat as to negotiations. If we offered 300,000 then we are idiots.

If we were in the driving seat then it is only because we were offering the most money. Plenty o clubs could have nabbed him with a sneaky $200k per year, especially if they were willing to backload. The fact we've only given him a year means he would be on overs.

Fa'aoso is coming back from a broken neck and is a massive gamble even moreso at your 'realistic' estimate.

If he was a massive gamble he wouldn't even be playing. Neither his doctor nor that of the club would approve this guy coming back to professional football if his neck was still a problem. Both Toovey and Bellamy wanted him, which would have driven his price up. The main reason we would have gotten him is that we had more to spend.

Wicks had some interest from other clubs so possibly and Robinson was without a club and would have come for the minimum.

Watmough could be topped up from third party deals as well suggesting that the apparent 750,000 we were paying players at other clubs could have been used to bring them in. The salary cap for 2015 has gone up as well.

The salary cap has gone up but it still only covers 25 players, meaning salaries have inflated.

$300k no longer gets you a superstar. Now it gets you a solid 80 minute first grader.

 

[hindy111]

Cmon Pou your estimates are complete $hit...Wicks and Watmough I believe would be there abouts.
F'aasso is coming back from a broken neck.I doubt anyone would offer him anything bar MIN which is 85k.He at his best and fully fit would of been lucky to demand $200k...And same goes for Robinson MIN.
As far as Champion goes? he is an injury prone centre that at best is just above average.If he is on more than $150K id be very surprised.Which other club would want him? Same goes for takarangai.I watch NRL and honestly never heard a lot about him.
All these signings Bar watmough are MIN wage signings.Maybe with some incentives included.
300k would get you a lot better centre than takarangai mate.Unless im way out on what guys get paid now but watmough 500 and taka on 300? Big difference in class there

 

[The Engineers Room]

Just because you don't rate a player doesn't mean they come cheap.

We have a club trying to bring in players so we will be paying a premium for them.

 

[hindy111]

Melbourne and manly would of offered fa-asso the same -MIN.....He probably figures if he plays good I might get 150k.Better than driving a forklift for 40k.......

Why would takranagai sign a one year deal at parra if other clubs where offering 3? Even if it was 100k more you would take the 3 years...

Also forget what inflation is.Most that money will go to the stars and better players.Clubs will still only offer peanuts to fill in players.If 85k is the min.And know one else is interested than that's all they would offer-Supply and demand.Just like house prices-People will pay more for a nice one in a good area, but if there is one no one wants and it has to sell they will offer the least amount.

Also we where not desperate for Fa'aaso.So why would we offer him overs.Same goese for Champion.At that time we had hayne so hoppa was playing centre. He would of been competing with Morgan who would be hard to split at this stage of there careers.

 

[hindy111]

We have added depth......And competition for spots.I doubt most our signings will start come Rnd 1 bar watmough and Takarangai.

 

[hindy111]

If we paid over 200 for champion like Pou suggests than clubs going backwards.Loko was on a reported 300.We are still paying the dogs something next year.So who would you rather? both are injury prone-One is younger and a potential star and game breaker-the other is at best a solid first grader.

I do believe most these signings where cause club knew there desperate and have a point to prove.And cheap!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Just because you don't rate a player doesn't mean they come cheap.

We have a club trying to bring in players so we will be paying a premium for them.

Exactly.

 

[hindy111]

Exactly.

Ok pou out of all the players we signed how many do you predict will play 20+ first grade games and at who's expense(meaning who spot do they take) Than estimate what they are on for me please.

 

[hindy111]

Estimate the guys spot they have taken or signed to replace-Thanks

example-fa'aasso for lussick??

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Melbourne and manly would of offered fa-asso the same -MIN.....

And because there was demand from other clubs they would have had to up their offers to the maximum they were prepared/able to pay, which would be around $100k. Why come to Parra then for the same amount? He would want more to come to Parra. Plus we only offered one year which would cost us even more. $200k for one year (no security) is realistic for an experienced prop like Richie Fa'aoso.

He probably figures if he plays good I might get 150k.Better than driving a forklift for 40k.......

What he probably figures is he wants the most he can get and he knows Parra is cashed up, desperate for experienced hard heads and only offering a year.

Why would takranagai sign a one year deal at parra if other clubs where offering 3?

Because we're offering more.

Even if it was 100k more you would take the 3 years...

Then we could be offering even more than $100k more, couldn't we?

Also forget what inflation is.Most that money will go to the stars and better players.

It will indeed, but the closest thing we have to those kinds of players are Sandow, Hopoate and Watmough. I reckon Arthur is happy with a flatter distribution of talent through the squad. Both he and Tim Mannah have talked about more competition within the squad being a good thing.

Clubs will still only offer peanuts to fill in players.If 85k is the min.And know one else is interested than that's all they would offer-Supply and demand.Just like house prices-People will pay more for a nice one in a good area, but if there is one no one wants and it has to sell they will offer the least amount.

There is always demand. If Takairangi was available for only $100k dozens of clubs would have jumped at the opportunity. Even this late in the year they can always backend.

Also we where not desperate for Fa'aaso.So why would we offer him overs.Same goese for Champion.At that time we had hayne so hoppa was playing centre. He would of been competing with Morgan who would be hard to split at this stage of there careers.

I don't think we were desperate for Champion which is why I reckon he's only on about $200k (probably about the same as Mitch Allgood). But Fa'aoso is exactly what we needed and Brad Arthur's has said that is what we lacked. This talk of extra physicality isn't about big fast merkins. Arthur said it's about age and experience.