Which other NRL players are likely to succeed in the NFL?

[Incorrect]

As of 26th Aug 2015, which NRL player has succeeded in the NFL?

Seems as though many have bought the News Ltd fapfest. All good when it suits. But when they start to pay out on the League again...

Hayne is in with a shot, but reserve judgement until he makes the roster and then plays in games where opposition coaches are serious about shit.

At the moment it's all tiddlywinks. Every club is concerned with what the players they have in the bottom half of their 90-man rosters can do rather than going out to win football games.

In your opinion then, would it have been better if Hayne just submitted in a tackle to the first or second merkin trying to tackle him in the 2 pre season games he's played so far?? Because, you know, it's all just tiddlywinks at the moment so the guy from another country and sport who's trying to make an impression on the coach who took a gamble on him to give him a shot in his limited amount of opportunities, should just realise making 38 and 23 and 27 yard punt returns is not going to do him favours when it comes to the coach making his call on who makes the final 53 man roster...

I've seen these comments in the past fortnight - "Yeah he did well, but don't read too much in to it, he hasn't made the roster yet, don't forget he's playing against other triallists who are 2nd, 3rd and 4th string options themselves, so you know, don't get too excited" Blah Blah Blah

As has been pointed out - Hayne has been serious about the sport for less than a year and in 2 trials he has brained opposition players who have been playing, training and waiting for the same opportunity their entire lives. Is that not a good achievement?


FMD - all these people saying, "wait till shit gets serious before you judge him".... give it a rest. What he has done to this point has been exhilarating. All these bitter merkins sound so insular and almost xenophobic, scared that someone from "outside" might be able to succeed.

 

[unforgiven]

There are no links in regards to pathways, the NFL teams wouldn't be involved in tat sort o recruiting at all. But yeah I see what you are saying. Its probably a good chance some division 2 colleges look at giving some of our best schoolboys a scholarship though even at college it is ridiculously competitive for spots.

The University of Hawaii has a history of recruiting Australian players including Colin Scott and Paul Sironen.

 

[Albert Rosenfeld]

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Jason Tamaulolo, and Semi Radradra are the best bets if Jarryd Hayne succeeds.

However this would deprive the NRL of half its super stars. Only Greg Inglis, Billy Slater, Johnathan Thurston and Shaun Johnson would be left.

 

[MarkC]

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Jason Tamaulolo, and Semi Radradra are the best bets if Jarryd Hayne succeeds.

However this would deprive the NRL of half its super stars. Only Greg Inglis, Billy Slater, Johnathan Thurston and Shaun Johnson would be left.

I don't see it as a problem, new stars would quickly emerge.

A pathway to the NFL may help encourage talented young athletes to choose our sport.

I can see us loosing a whole heap of players there will only be a few who can make it.

If may lift the profile of league in the US, yes it would only ever be a 4th tier sport there, but being 4th tier in the US is still pretty big.

 

[babyg]

I think the whole "complex playbook" is a lot of shit too. They don't have to memorize the whole thing mainly their plays.

NRL players have plays too and they don't have the luxury of getting to think about it over a cup of tea during a game.

If we are just talking punt/returns a LOT of NRL players would at least beat that first defender in broken field play as Hayne has done every time.

I'd rate rts even more sharp and elusive as Hayne

 

[betcats]

They have to memorise their plays plus a million different variations of each play, they need to memorise heaps mate its a fact.

 

[chrisD]

RTS, Jennings, Walker and Johnson.

 

[Feej]

Robbie Farah??

 

[Maximus]

I think the whole "complex playbook" is a lot of shit too. They don't have to memorize the whole thing mainly their plays.

A running back is involved in every offensive play, so yes they do need to know it all. If they aren't running the ball, they are either blocking or running a route. Different plays will have different variations that will affect things like which hole to run into or which player they have to block. They need to know all of these variations.

 

[Canard]

A running back is involved in every offensive play, so yes they do need to know it all. If they aren't running the ball, they are either blocking or running a route. Different plays will have different variations that will affect things like which hole to run into or which player they have to block. They need to know all of these variations.

Clearly you don't have to have anything even approaching average intelligence to do this though.

Some of the best NFL players are basically illiterate and completed fake degrees at College.

 

[betcats]

A lot of those guys aren't illiterate just cause they are dumb. They probably went to shit schools that never made them learn cause they are good at footy. Whether they can read or not they still have to learn the plays, usually with help from coaches and teammates etc It would come a lot more naturally when they have been doing it since they were kids.

 

[Canard]

A lot of those guys aren't illiterate just cause they are dumb. They probably went to shit schools that never made them learn cause they are good at footy. Whether they can read or not they still have to learn the plays, usually with help from coaches and teammates etc It would come a lot more naturally when they have been doing it since they were kids.

Yes but it's hardly some unachievable obstacle that even someone with below average intelligence could pick up.

 

[betcats]

Yes but it's hardly some unachievable obstacle that even someone with below average intelligence could pick up.

I don't think anyone said its unachievable, its just another area that requires time and focus. Its still a lot more mental prep than basically any other sport. You don't see soccer players or tennis stars with big ass binders full of plays to learn and memorise.

 

[Maximus]

Clearly you don't have to have anything even approaching average intelligence to do this though.

Some of the best NFL players are basically illiterate and completed fake degrees at College.

And? Who mentioned anything about intelligence?

If you don't understand the concepts of the plays and how they are run in a game situation, it doesn't matter how smart you are, you aren't ever going to know the plays.

Why do you have a problem with those correcting the misinformation, and not those spreading it in the first place?

 

[big hit!]

In your opinion then, would it have been better if Hayne just submitted in a tackle to the first or second merkin trying to tackle him in the 2 pre season games he's played so far?? Because, you know, it's all just tiddlywinks at the moment so the guy from another country and sport who's trying to make an impression on the coach who took a gamble on him to give him a shot in his limited amount of opportunities, should just realise making 38 and 23 and 27 yard punt returns is not going to do him favours when it comes to the coach making his call on who makes the final 53 man roster...

I've seen these comments in the past fortnight - "Yeah he did well, but don't read too much in to it, he hasn't made the roster yet, don't forget he's playing against other triallists who are 2nd, 3rd and 4th string options themselves, so you know, don't get too excited" Blah Blah Blah

As has been pointed out - Hayne has been serious about the sport for less than a year and in 2 trials he has brained opposition players who have been playing, training and waiting for the same opportunity their entire lives. Is that not a good achievement?


FMD - all these people saying, "wait till shit gets serious before you judge him".... give it a rest. What he has done to this point has been exhilarating. All these bitter merkins sound so insular and almost xenophobic, scared that someone from "outside" might be able to succeed.

WOW! Reserving judgement means all that?

How long have you watched the NFL for? As long as DT's expert American Football scribes?

Pre-season is generally a very poor barometer of what goes on in the season proper. And although all the attention in Oz has been about Hayne - you'd think he was the only player on their roster and all the others blocking for him and trying to tackle him just unnamed extras in a film if you go by the reporting we've received in the local rags - there's much more to determine with the niners roster than just Hayne. If he continues to impress, some hard calls will need to be made by the niners football dept to fit him in.

There's no doubt in Jarryd as an athlete and I'd be confident to stack him up against the best in American Football. Furthermore, the skills he brings onto the gridiron are also a great endorsement of the general skill set and coaching principles in rugby league such as the step, the ball transfer and fend, and cover defending! But these could also be a liability when plays are fair dinkum. the best defenders in the League go for both the football and the tackle and he hasn't come up against any of them yet. the weekly grind of the season against the best players on every single play is where it's at. it's not at all what you've described to reserve judgement re the success of this transition at this stage.

and also, Hayne's been working towards this for a while. He's been training with Roger Fabri in his last couple of seasons with Parra in addition to what he did at Parra. it's a testament to him that he's prepared himself as best he can prior to going over to the US to make the most of any opportunity. The guy has been and is continuing to work extremely hard to succeed in this transition and that is definitely something we all should admire. Unfortunately, what I read is not highlighting the hard work he's doing in addition to his athletic gifts. It's mostly just "look at this aussie slaying the yanks." No wonder many Aussie kids and gen y have this inflated importance about themselves.

 

[Canard]

And? Who mentioned anything about intelligence?

If you don't understand the concepts of the plays and how they are run in a game situation, it doesn't matter how smart you are, you aren't ever going to know the plays.

Why do you have a problem with those correcting the misinformation, and not those spreading it in the first place?

Because of the insinuation that rote memory is some sort of incredible skill set that people should be in awe of.

Pre-season is generally a very poor barometer of what goes on in the season proper. And although all the attention in Oz has been about Hayne - you'd think he was the only player on their roster and all the others blocking for him and trying to tackle him just unnamed extras in a film if you go by the reporting we've received in the local rags - there's much more to determine with the niners roster than just Hayne. If he continues to impress, some hard calls will need to be made by the niners football dept to fit him in.

There's no doubt in Jarryd as an athlete and I'd be confident to stack him up against the best in American Football. Furthermore, the skills he brings onto the gridiron are also a great endorsement of the general skill set and coaching principles in rugby league such as the step, the ball transfer and fend, and cover defending! But these could also be a liability when plays are fair dinkum. the best defenders in the League go for both the football and the tackle and he hasn't come up against any of them yet. the weekly grind of the season against the best players on every single play is where it's at. it's not at all what you've described to reserve judgement re the success of this transition at this stage.

and also, Hayne's been working towards this for a while. He's been training with Roger Fabri in his last couple of seasons with Parra in addition to what he did at Parra. it's a testament to him that he's prepared himself as best he can prior to going over to the US to make the most of any opportunity. The guy has been and is continuing to work extremely hard to succeed in this transition and that is definitely something we all should admire. Unfortunately, what I read is not highlighting the hard work he's doing in addition to his athletic gifts. It's mostly just "look at this aussie slaying the yanks." No wonder many Aussie kids and gen y have this inflated importance about themselves.

Yet another "Its only pre-season" so what he has achieved isn't a big deal. Basically anyone could do this.

Until he has a 2000 yard rushing season, returns 10 kick offs for touchdowns and is a Pro Bowl selection, he hasn't achieved anything for mine.

The cultural cringe and refusal to recognise his achievements is mind boggling.

 

[JJ]

Hayne's a genius - that was evident in the NRL and Origin...

 

[some11]

Because of the insinuation that rote memory is some sort of incredible skill set that people should be in awe of.

Nuh-uh, the NFL only accepts astrophysicists at the moment.

 

[betcats]

Because of the insinuation that rote memory is some sort of incredible skill set that people should be in awe of.


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Where was that insinuated?

 

[Maximus]

Because of the insinuation that rote memory is some sort of incredible skill set that people should be in awe of.

Who insinuated that? I certainly didn't. My post was in reply to someone claiming he doesn't need to memorise a complex playbook, only the plays he is involved in. I merely pointed out that being a running back, that is every offensive play and its variations. You replied with "yeah but they don't need to be intelligent."

Your irrational hatred of NFL fans means you are just reading what you want to read so you can claim we are all delusional. Maybe try reading what people are actually writing and try arguing the actual points people are making.

Nuh-uh, the NFL only accepts astrophysicists at the moment.

Can you provide just 1 example of any NFL fan saying anything like this?

You are worse than the people you are trying to ridicule.