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Diesel

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It'll be interesting what the strategic plan is now since the TV deal has been signed
 

Perth Red

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I doubt we'll ever know what the report recommends. Expansion isn't on the agend for many years, expect some spin about growing the game at all levels blah blah blah with very little actual substance
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Dispite the whole wank about "the greatest deal every for fan", Grant must know he shafted fans with the "Saturday on Fox"/"6pm friday" details.

He would surely be looking for a proper good news story after this bit of bullshit.
 

CC_Roosters

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They would surely have to call for tenders in 2016 if there is to be any prospect of new sides in 2018
 
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Remember, expansion plans were due at the end of THIS year.

That's what they said.

Now they've gone and signed long term TV deals that set a lot of things in stone and no sign of the magical all of game review. So the review that was supposed to set out the direction of the game will now have to completely fit into deals already done.

f**king geniuses. They've f**ked international RL, they've f**ked bush footy and they've done deals based on eight NRL games so you can guess what that means for expansion.

Anyway I can't wait for the big expansion plans announcement over the next month.
 

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I very much doubt you'll hear anything about expansion until the participation agreements are signed by the remaining clubs and the new CBA is done with the RLPA, locking them, their funding, and the eight games needed to meet the conditions of the television deal in until the end of 2022. Immediately after that, the ARLC will be free to to do what they want with expansion without the threat of clubs (i.e. the Broncos and the weaker clubs) cutting and running, or demanding more money because they perceive a threat from new members. They won't announce expansion tomorrow or the next day, but in six months they'll be able to make a decision and sign a television deal for a ninth game knowing that everything else is secured thru 2022, guaranteeing any expansion teams a clear four or five seasons to establish themselves before the next round of upheavals.

Leigh.
 
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If the game cant expand until 2022 because of deals done by these suits every one of them should be run out of the sport.
Who said it can't be expanded until after 2022? As far as I can see there's nothing to prevent them signing an additional television deal tomorrow for a ninth game (as a fourth FTA game). Of course they won't while there's still the (remote) possibility of existing clubs leaving at the end of 2017 to form their own comp. But once the clubs are locked into until 2022 and the ARLC's obligations under the new television deals secured (i.e. three games for Channel Nine and five games for Fox Sports each week), there doesn't appear to be any block on creating extra content over and above that before 2022.

Leigh.
 
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Who said it can't be expanded until after 2022? As far as I can see there's nothing to prevent them signing an additional television deal tomorrow for a ninth game (as a fourth FTA game). Of course they won't while there's still the (remote) possibility of existing clubs leaving at the end of 2017 to form their own comp. But once the clubs are locked into until 2022 and the ARLC's obligations under the new television deals secured (i.e. three games for Channel Nine and five games for Fox Sports each week), there doesn't appear to be any block on creating extra content over and above that before 2022.

Leigh.

We'll see.

But they said THIS year we'd know. That was clearly another lie.
 

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We'll see.

But they said THIS year we'd know. That was clearly another lie.
Given neither you nor I are privy to the discussions of the ARLC, how do you know a decision in principle hasn't already been taken and it isn't just being kept confidential until existing clubs and funding are locked in? Adding new members to the ARLC is hardly something you'd want to tell the existing members about while haggling with them over funding. Likewise, given the Richardson report potentially maps the strategic plans for the game over many years to come, and those strategic plans would tip off the competition about where we want to expand, I doubt we'd want that document made public. But that doesn't mean the report has been buried or won't be enacted in part or full. As you say, we'll see.

Leigh.
 

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I very much doubt you'll hear anything about expansion until the participation agreements are signed by the remaining clubs and the new CBA is done with the RLPA, locking them, their funding, and the eight games needed to meet the conditions of the television deal in until the end of 2022. Immediately after that, the ARLC will be free to to do what they want with expansion without the threat of clubs (i.e. the Broncos and the weaker clubs) cutting and running, or demanding more money because they perceive a threat from new members. They won't announce expansion tomorrow or the next day, but in six months they'll be able to make a decision and sign a television deal for a ninth game knowing that everything else is secured thru 2022, guaranteeing any expansion teams a clear four or five seasons to establish themselves before the next round of upheavals.

Leigh.

I am sure I heard there is mechanism in place from the TV POV for expansion in 2018. Maybe the amount of additional money for any 9th game is dependant on the markets they expand into. I.e Brisbane would be very valuable but NZ not so much
 

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I am sure I heard there is mechanism in place from the TV POV for expansion in 2018. Maybe the amount of additional money for any 9th game is dependant on the markets they expand into. I.e Brisbane would be very valuable but NZ not so much
At the time the Channel Nine deal was announced, it was explicitly stated it allowed for expansion during the lifetime of the deal 2018-2022. Nothing that was announced yesterday has contradicted that. We now know the Saturday night game in itself is worth $35m per year. Presumably a ninth game played in Sunday night primetime would be priced in the same ballpark. Knowing that Channel Nine wanted a fourth FTA game, want a second Brisbane team, and have $175m back in their pocket from the re-negotiation I think it's still a very real possibility. Assuming club grants of $13m in 2018 (i.e. 130% of $10m total player payments), $26m per year would appear to be the starting point for negotiations for a ninth game without impacting any of the funding arrangements for the existing 16 teams and eight games.

Leigh.
 
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At the time the Channel Nine deal was announced, it was explicitly stated it allowed for expansion during the lifetime of the deal 2018-2022. Nothing that was announced yesterday has contradicted that. We now know the Saturday night game in itself is worth $35m per year. Presumably a ninth game played in Sunday night primetime would be priced in the same ballpark. Knowing that Channel Nine wanted a fourth FTA game, want a second Brisbane team, and have $175m back in their pocket from the re-negotiation I think it's still a very real possibility. Assuming club grants of $13m in 2018 (i.e. 130% of $10m total player payments), $26m per year would appear to be the starting point for negotiations for a ninth game without impacting any of the funding arrangements for the existing 16 teams and eight games.

Leigh.

They don't want the ninth game that much. I can't remember if it was Gyng or his replacement, but they said that yes they did want to strengthen their brand with the NRL, they were willing to unload it.

Why would they sell back their fourth game and buy it back again for nearly the same price? For a Sunday night match? A match that would take the place of their reality shows that rate more nationally and are cheaper for them to run? I doubt it.

If anyone is going to buy a Sunday night match, it's Fox.
 

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Afl got $250mill more, apparently due to a ninth game lol.

And people called me a nay sayer when I said a ninth game was never going to be driven by the tv execs. The NRL should have announced expansion two years ago and built the negations on having Nine games to sell by 2018. They are f**k wits.

They should have stuck with 4fta games, agreed to move the Saturday night fta to Sunday and sold the ninth game to fox as the extra Saturday night game.

Nrl's approach is like selling a 3 bedroom house and asking the interested buyer to pay for a 4th bedroom extension so you can sell it to them for more!
 
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there should be less Sydney teams, I'd get rid of Manly, Wests and Cronulla, to the NSW Cup, and just bring in the Central Coast Bears into the NRL. Have 22 Rounds, top 6 into the Finals Series, played over 3 weeks. Stand alone Origins.
 

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there should be less Sydney teams, I'd get rid of Manly, Wests and Cronulla, to the NSW Cup, and just bring in the Central Coast Bears into the NRL. Have 22 Rounds, top 6 into the Finals Series, played over 3 weeks. Stand alone Origins.

wests are weak now... but really give them a bit of success and they will be much stronger.

on field success being equal imo the least supported clubs are

1 - Manly
1 - Easts
3 - Penrith
4 - Cronulla
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5 - dogs/tigers/souths
8 - st g / parra

tbh I think st george will drop down soon as all their fans are old and on there way.

You cant kick penrith because despite their lack of fans they have a shitload of juniors and are well entrenched in their community.

Manly and easts could go, but imo you would be better of reincarnating a northern super club out of manly ie the northern manly bear eagles that play on the central coast sometimes.

and easts well who gives a f**k where they play, but im sure there supporters dont just support them because of their location.
 

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Manly have the monopoly of the north shore, hard to see them go anywhere out of Sydney. Wests Tigers need to move west, like their name suggests.

The tricky ones are Cronulla, suck in the middle of St George and Illawarra territories, Dragons, they're Sydney centric and grudgingly spend time in the Gong (the Gong gets after thought matches).

Easts have a lot going for them but just can't capitalise on fans, and lots of them.

Sydney can substain 6-7 teams. The only safe teams are Bulldogs, Parra, Souths and Penrith.
 

Perth Red

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What a surprise, no mention of expansion or plans for in today's release of Richo review. I'm shocked, really I am!
 

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