Rumoured and Confirmed Signings with added crap - XXVI

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

For me the nrl needs to make a judgement (cap related of course not payment) on these situations independent of court outcomes.

I get where you're coming from, but it would be pretty tricky because each situation will be subtly different. Leaving a bit of uncertainty there discourages teams from saying 'Well, the NRL said this is wrong, but this would be ok' and playing silly buggers.

Working from broad principles makes sense to me, but I understand that people will disagree with that.

 

[Bandwagon]

Broadly speaking it would be reasonable for the NRL to look at any payment made to Hoppa as a break cost in the normal course of business, that to me would mean it's a cap related expense.

It's tough, but as previously mentioned, the club is responsible for the actions of it's office holders, unless it is clear that their actions are in direct contravention of their contracted duties. In this case i think that would be avery difficult argument to make.

 

[caylo]

I get where you're coming from, but it would be pretty tricky because each situation will be subtly different. Leaving a bit of uncertainty there discourages teams from saying 'Well, the NRL said this is wrong, but this would be ok' and playing silly buggers.

Working from broad principles makes sense to me, but I understand that people will disagree with that.

I know what you are saying but it may also encourage teams to consult the NRL before making decisions. In our situation for instance, we have made a player an offer but realised we could not stay within the cap laws in doing so and we have had to renege out offer. We have no advantage of him play for us for 1-2 years first, this is a renege before his contract starts.

The NRL may look at it as we have not benefited from the situation and thus not count it in the cap but allow civil proceedings to continue because Hoppa may legal be entitled to a pay out. Alternatively if a player is sacked mid contract when their contract is heavily back ended for a minor incident the NRL may adjudicate the player payments need to be entered in the cap. This is obviously just examples but I think it would have a couple of benefits.
First and foremost Clubs and players are more likely to settle situations quickly, less court and lawyer fees and less bad media and players at new clubs quicker.

To do this there may be a need for a body to overlook the cap rather than a single individual though.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

AFAIK, the club's defense in court does not rely on the 'rogue CEO' story (and it would have f**k all chance if it did). And, at the end of the day, a club is responsible for the behaviour of its appointed officers.

According to courts maybe, but not according to voters.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Agreed, while our situation is unique there could be other situations created which could attempt to use to bypass the cap. The problem arises though, what happeneds if tye settlement is finalised in 2-3 years? Just because Hopoate wins/loses in the coming months it could be appealed and no settlement finalised for a long time. For me the nrl needs to make a judgement (cap related of course not payment) on these situations independent of court outcomes.

That's a good point. If we can delay judgement long enough it might eventually not even matter as far as the cap goes.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

According to courts maybe, but not according to voters.

That's true. There's always a chance that the club will appeal on the grounds that most of our fans reckon whatever we do is ok.

 

[Twizzle]

That's a good point. If we can delay judgement long enough it might eventually not even matter as far as the cap goes.

or if it goes against us, we could end up over the cap after the season starts and our roster has been finalized

I know we can appeal etc to drag it out but just maybe the deal we did with Hoppa has been done in consultation with our so called salary cap consultant and we could be speculating over nothing

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Anyway, with Lafai looking likely to be released by the dogs tomorrow I wonder when all of the other movements will be announced?

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

Lafai can only be released on the condition that someone takes over his existing contract (perhaps with Dogs paying some freight), so I suspect the media have gone off a bit early (but, hey...it's Sunday and who cares if they just makes shit up). If they just release him, the balance of the contract will be counted under the Dogs cap.

 

[hindy111]

What would Lafai be on? I think enough clubs would be interested that they will pay his full contract. I doubt he is over paid.
Hiku I reckon may end up with an upgrade of what he was earning at Manly. There are 4-5 teams after a centre. Both clubs will offload and wipe hands clean.

 

[Barry O'Speedwagon]

What would Lafai be on? I think enough clubs would be interested that they will pay his full contract. I doubt he is over paid.
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Yeh, sure. What I'm saying is that they can't just 'release him'.....until they have an agreement with another club to take over the contract.

 

[Obscene Assassin]

Lafai can only be released on the condition that someone takes over his existing contract (perhaps with Dogs paying some freight), so I suspect the media have gone off a bit early (but, hey...it's Sunday and who cares if they just makes shit up). If they just release him, the balance of the contract will be counted under the Dogs cap.

reports did say that he has requested a leave and as such you'd have to think that he already has a club to go to

 

[lingard]

What would Lafai be on? I think enough clubs would be interested that they will pay his full contract. I doubt he is over paid.
Hiku I reckon may end up with an upgrade of what he was earning at Manly. There are 4-5 teams after a centre. Both clubs will offload and wipe hands clean.

I'd prefer Lafai to Hiku.

 

[hineyrulz]

I'd prefer Lafai to Hiku.

I wouldn't, Hiku can cover anywhere in the backline while Lafai is just a centre. I'd be happy with either though.

 

[phantom eel]

We'll only get one of the other. I reckon Lafai knows where he is going already and it's not to us (Dragons?).

Not sure about Hiku and his current club's stance re approving a release to the highest offer versus the player's particular choice of club... but hopefully it will all be cleared soon for him to end up with us?

 

[oldmancraigy]

If Hopoate wins this case does he have to retire?

Why would he? How is that the same as the situation I questioned you about? You talked aboit a loophole, using a similar scenario as a golden handshake for a retiring player, like a job offer. But why go ti the effort? Just give them the job....

 

[Joshuatheeel]

Hiku would be better, as Gordon is getting on a bit. With Hiku here we have no pressure to chase a fullback if French isn't ready. Gives us more options for 2017.

 

[oldmancraigy]

AFAIK, the club's defense in court does not rely on the 'rogue CEO' story (and it would have f**k all chance if it did). And, at the end of the day, a club is responsible for the behaviour of its appointed officers.

Of course the club does!!

The court has 0 authority over the NRL to demand they count this against anyone's cap though... the court case outcome, and the salary cap implications, are not interdependent entities (ok, they aren't even entities - but you get what I am saying). The unique situation the Eels found themselves in with Hoppa will not entice other clubs to perform in a similar fashion - by not counting any court judgement against our cap, the NRL set no imicable precedent.

 

[oldmancraigy]

All you would need to potentially seek the loophole is a dispute between a player and a club capable of being sued on and resolved by a financial settlement. If that payout is cap free clubs could get very creative either on their own or in conjunction with another club to get cap breaks.

Not sure what omc is on about.

Even pau is making more sense than him.

:lol:

Maybe i need to write an essay on it to explain myself clearly! Just have a think about it for a while, then piece together my jigsaw of random thoughts, it will all be clear (or see Casper for some lucidity medicine)

Or email the NRL and present them a hypothetical scenario and ask how it afgects a teams cap. You might be surprised at the answer

 

[phantom eel]

Maybe this Hoppa scenario isn't a hypothetical... Hoppa was signed by Spags/Osborne and Kearney, wasn't he? Anything's possible with those three :lol:

This renege on the follow-up contract process could be part of giving Hoppa what was originally promised (outside the cap) by 3P in his original two year contract, for all we know?

#tinfoil