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Penrith cannot make this years top 8

Roosters rule

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Stick a fork in their arse they are done for 2019

Yesterday was the most comical and inept performance I have seen this year from a team.

From week defence to fat and unfit players, poor ball handing, ill discipline added with no credible attacking structures.
They have an Origin winning halves combination and couldn't score a try yesterday against 12 men.

No doubt they will use injuries as an excuse to cover Ivan's poor coaching. The simple fact is he is a over rated bog average coach that is ruining a good team.

The roster they had heading into this season they should have been a top 6 team at the very least.

They will be lucky to get out of the bottom 4.
 

some11

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String a few wins together and a lot of the bottom six can find their way into the eight.

One team is going to make a move soon, the quality is there at Penrith but they just look meek.
 

Springs09

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Their saving grace is that bar 4 or 5 teams, the rest aren’t much better then them.

True why is there so much shit this year?

Any other year you'd have put a line through any of the bottom 8 teams after their performances so far, but the other teams are mediocre enough that you could see a shit team coming 7th or 8th.

Teams like Eels, Dragons and even Storm are playing like teams fighting for 8th not teams 4th-6th.
 

Vic Mackey

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True why is there so much shit this year?

Any other year you'd have put a line through any of the bottom 8 teams after their performances so far, but the other teams are mediocre enough that you could see a shit team coming 7th or 8th.

Teams like Eels, Dragons and even Storm are playing like teams fighting for 8th not teams 4th-6th.

There’s been a number of genuine stars retire over the last 2 years and no ones really taken their place. Then the fact that the team who won the Premiership has bought 4 Origin Players and an International in the past 18 months. The good players are stacked. We’re becoming more like the EPL every year.
 

Springs09

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There’s been a number of genuine stars retire over the last 2 years and no ones really taken their place. Then the fact that the team who won the Premiership has bought 4 Origin Players and an International in the past 18 months. The good players are stacked. We’re becoming more like the EPL every year.

True but that doesn't excuse the teams that had squads roughly the same or better than last year. Knights have been good last 2 weeks but people were tipping them top 4. Penrith and Brisbane changed coaches but no one thought they'd be wooden spoon worthy. Warriors have been largely hopeless.
 

Valheru

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There’s been a number of genuine stars retire over the last 2 years and no ones really taken their place. Then the fact that the team who won the Premiership has bought 4 Origin Players and an International in the past 18 months. The good players are stacked. We’re becoming more like the EPL every year.

Wests are the only ones who can claim to be genuinely weakened by any of those buys IMO.

South's haven't skipped a beat without Crighton and cronk leaving Melbourne has had limited effect.

Are you referring to Morris as the 4th player? He is hardly rep quality now.

Hall hasn't even played yet and didn't come from a NRL team.

Despite all the sombrero innuendo you can't blame the chooks for how awful the likes of warriors, cowboys, Penrith etc. are.
 

I Bleed Maroon

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This does scream "transition year" to me. The Roosters have daylight between them and the rest of the comp being an established premiership side with not much player movement, while the rest are hardly all that settled in terms of playing group and coach.

Lets hope it is pointing towards a very competitive 2020, if nothing else.
 

Valheru

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I actually think this year could be one of those years where we have a team having a golden run to a GF like tigers 05 and parra 09.
 

Roosters rule

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There’s been a number of genuine stars retire over the last 2 years and no ones really taken their place. Then the fact that the team who won the Premiership has bought 4 Origin Players and an International in the past 18 months. The good players are stacked. We’re becoming more like the EPL every year.

That is a very valid point
There has been a rather high number of quality players retiring recently diminishing the NRL. While there are some good young players coming through they will take time to fill the void.

It doesn't excuse how poor Penrith & Brisbane have been this year. Both have rosters good enough to be at least top 6 teams.
The blame lies in two dud coaches.
 

mxlegend99

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Any chance we have at making a late season charge is pretty much snuffed out with injuries. I doubt at full strength we have the quality to do it considering how far the likes of Dylan Edwards, Dean Whare, Josh Mansour and Reagan Campbell-Gillard have dropped in quality since being injured in recent seasons. They're all barely NRL standard most weeks.

Throw in injuries to the likes of Yeo and Kikau.... the only thing we're making a charge for is the wooden spoon. This week ontop of injuries we will be without James Maloney and Liam Martin through suspension also. Tigers will get their revenge on Ivan well and truly. I don't think they have improved without him,. But he sure as hell has gone backwards since leaving them.
 

mongoose

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That is a very valid point
There has been a rather high number of quality players retiring recently diminishing the NRL. While there are some good young players coming through they will take time to fill the void.

It doesn't excuse how poor Penrith & Brisbane have been this year. Both have rosters good enough to be at least top 6 teams.
The blame lies in two dud coaches.

both teams also have average hooker and fullback options. Is it any surprise the teams with the best 9's are all on top of the ladder?
 

mxlegend99

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both teams also have average hooker and fullback options. Is it any surprise the teams with the best 9's are all on top of the ladder?
You're not wrong.

Egan and Katoa are both poor for Panthers. Would take just about any hooker ahead of them.
 

axl rose

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I actually think this year could be one of those years where we have a team having a golden run to a GF like tigers 05 and parra 09.
Not seeing it. Tigers had an X Factor in Benji, Eels with Hayne. Only complacency from Roosters will
beat them.
 

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Still rate Cronulla when fully healthy and the halves start clicking. They have developed their young guys well into players that seem genuinely excited and committed with being in the NRL, while still having the squad balance with experience. They are well set up.

Cows, Titans and Penrith on the other hand seem the opposite. Look like teams that are unprepared, lacking passion and ultimately just lack leadership, despite injury concerns.
Canterbury, well, we've been heading this way for a long time - despite the silver lining of some young players finally getting a run you gotta wonder where we'd be if we'd done this 2 seasons ago.
 

Vic Mackey

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Wests are the only ones who can claim to be genuinely weakened by any of those buys IMO.

South's haven't skipped a beat without Crighton and cronk leaving Melbourne has had limited effect.

Are you referring to Morris as the 4th player? He is hardly rep quality now.

Hall hasn't even played yet and didn't come from a NRL team.

Despite all the sombrero innuendo you can't blame the chooks for how awful the likes of warriors, cowboys, Penrith etc. are.

The 00s had a regular turn over of Premiership Heavyweights as the Salary Cap was working. Teams would be up then lose gun players as they couldn’t afford to keep them due to lower clubs having the room for them

The 10s have felt like a continual ground hog day. TPAs have turned the game into the Haves and Have Nots. It’s felt like Roosters, Storm, Souths, Sharks, Broncos every year. For example:

Roosters lose RTS sign Tedesco. Lose Pearce sign Cronk. Lose Ferguson sign Morris and Hall. Lose Napa sign Crichton.

Sharks lose Maloney sign Moylan. Lose Holmes sign Johnson.

Broncos lose Hunt sign Bird (I get it’s a bad call but at the time he was a Premiership winner and current Origin player)

The comp isn’t being evened out like in the past. Previously they would lose Rep standard players and have to replace them with much lower paid guys. I genuinely believe teams like the Roosters, Souths, Storm etc will be at the top of the ladder for another decade.

This isn’t the successful clubs fault, it’s just an interesting time period we’ve enerted and so different to what we had even a decade ago.
 
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Springs09

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I actually think this year could be one of those years where we have a team having a golden run to a GF like tigers 05 and parra 09.

I would say no but seeing how much the universe seems to want to avoid a Roosters v Rabbits GF could see one of those sides choking to a 7th or 8th placed team in the prelim.
 
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