Dragons Squad June 30 Deadline

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Lol..

Read it again (here, I’ve quoted it for you..)



Why is Dufty being singled out?

Why is everyone slamming his defence?

Try and answer it this time..

It’s a bit tiring asking you the same question over and over again..

You typically ask the same question again when you don't like the answer you get the first time.
It's part of the fraudulent way you operate.
For your benefit you will notice that there are actually 2 questions in your quote.
I was responding to the second one.
What's the problem?

 

[Frank Facer]

Ok my quick look and take of players off contract and for depth. bargain buys for 1sts and reserves IMO

Brisbane - Oates, Mago
Canberra - Bateman, Kris
Dogs - Fualalo
Sharks - Capewell, Sorenson
Titans - Jacks
Manly - Cust, Gosiewski,
Storm - Kaufusi, Vete
Warriors - Lawton, Paasi
Cows - GMG
Eels - Manu, French, Moeroa, Stone, Terepo
Panthers - Naden
Souths - Tracey
Dragons - Blacker, Kerr, Lomax, Marsters, Robson, Sailor
Roosters - Ikalavu, Tetevano
Tigers - Aloiai

There you go enough there to pick from and improve opur squad

Oates is the only one on that list. who I would be interested in and could see becoming a regular first grader in our team, but he is asking way too much money for a winger. I did mention Kris, but I have only seen him play one game.

Tracey has big rapts on him, after 3 knee reconstructions, but I don't think we need another 5/8.

The rest would fit into our recent recruitment strategy.

 

[muzby]

You typically ask the same question again when you don't like the answer you get the first time.
It's part of the fraudulent way you operate.
For your benefit you will notice that there are actually 2 questions in your quote.
I was responding to the second one.
What's the problem?

Lol.. Fraudulent.. That’s a good one!

If you answer the damn question, I don’t have to repeat myself..

So.. For the 4th time.. Why should Dufty be singled out for his defensive issues if the other players aren’t?

Simple question, just answer it..

If you don’t know, just say so..

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Lol.. Fraudulent.. That’s a good one!

If you answer the damn question, I don’t have to repeat myself..

So.. For the 4th time.. Why should Dufty be singled out for his defensive issues if the other players aren’t?

Simple question, just answer it..

If you don’t know, just say so..

My comment was very specific.
At no point did I address Dufty's defence being singled out. I didn't need to.
So if you are asking me the question as a separate discussion point, I would be happy to accommodate you.
Dufty gets singled out because he is not a good defender.
He has many attributes but defensive reads and last line of defence are not included.
Not really a revelation, just the truth.
Fraudulent in the way you try and dissect people's comments or points of view and purposely misrepresent them on this forum.
Actually, I think you should consider consulting a psychiatrist.
You need help.

 

[possm]

Korbin poked through the defence on the line and had time to look both ways on the weekend and no one was trailing. If there had been someone they would have been untouched. It is indicative of the team’s attitude. Another example is at marker. Marker is one of the most important aspects of the game to get right. Our marker defence is pathetic and lazy and as such we leak points up the middle as good coaches have identified this. Ponga cut us to pieces around the ruck. There has been no improvement in this area despite it being highlighted several times this year. McGregor can’t coach or the team isn’t buying what he is selling. A fish rots from the head down ...

I suppose players, playing to the same old unsuccessful game plan each week and with no indication of being dropped for a poor performance and even if they are dropped they receive the same pay anyway that there increasingly no incentive to do well at SGI and no deterrent against poor form/performance.

It is a mess and we need a cleanout to start a fresh.

 

[possm]

Oates is the only one on that list. who I would be interested in and could see becoming a regular first grader in our team, but he is asking way too much money for a winger. I did mention Kris, but I have only seen him play one game.

Tracey has big rapts on him, after 3 knee reconstructions, but I don't think we need another 5/8.

The rest would fit into our recent recruitment strategy.

In the backline, if Lomax goes to fullback and our wingers are Saab and Pearson, then we need a top grade winger/centre and a centre/fullback. Use any spare cap we have to buy a top grade left centre and swap Aitken for D Walker at Manly.

In the forwards, recruit RCG for De Belin's cap and play him as prop with Frizell moving to lock. I believe our defensive weaknesses in the middle are all related to player enthusiasm and defensive structures which both can be solved by replacing the coaching staff. In 2019 test Kerr, Timm, Ford and Blacker off the bench in first grade. Rest those who they replace.

 

[Old Timer]

Lol.. Fraudulent.. That’s a good one!

If you answer the damn question, I don’t have to repeat myself..

So.. For the 4th time.. Why should Dufty be singled out for his defensive issues if the other players aren’t?

Simple question, just answer it..

If you don’t know, just say so..

If you don’t want to get attention re bad defence then the best idea is don’t play full back.
If you choose that position and take the money that goes with it then don’t be surprised with the level of scrutiny that comes with it.
The great FB’s are all remembered for their “last line” of defence and not only their attacking prowess.
The reality is it doesn’t matter how many players the opposition player has side stepped, swerved, palmed off or run over the top of if he beats the FB everyone will remember that especially if it is 1 on 1. Overlaps will be forgiven but if the FB doesn’t commit whole heartedly to tackle one of them then again everyone will remember that.
Dennis is trying his hardest to get you to understand that but you insist on being probably the only person who holds equal accountability re missed tackles and not singling out the FB for the ultimate miss.
Stopping most attacks by being the last line of defence us actually part of the job description for the position.

 

[muzby]

My comment was very specific.
At no point did I address Dufty's defence being singled out. I didn't need to.
So if you are asking me the question as a separate discussion point, I would be happy to accommodate you.
Dufty gets singled out because he is not a good defender.
He has many attributes but defensive reads and last line of defence are not included.
Not really a revelation, just the truth.
Fraudulent in the way you try and dissect people's comments or points of view and purposely misrepresent them on this forum.
Actually, I think you should consider consulting a psychiatrist.
You need help.

Thank you for finally partially answering the question, Dr Dennis..

But the question is why is he being held to particular account when other poor defenders are not?

Did you know.. Dufty has missed the 3rd fewest tackles of any Dragons player this year, and averages under 1 per game.

He’s one of our best defenders in that regard..

Lomax on the other hand is missing 1.4 per game..

And Sims is amongst our worst, missing nearly 3 per game..

Why aren’t they being singled out?

 

[muzby]

If you don’t want to get attention re bad defence then the best idea is don’t play full back.
If you choose that position and take the money that goes with it then don’t be surprised with the level of scrutiny that comes with it.
The great FB’s are all remembered for their “last line” of defence and not only their attacking prowess.
The reality is it doesn’t matter how many players the opposition player has side stepped, swerved, palmed off or run over the top of if he beats the FB everyone will remember that especially if it is 1 on 1. Overlaps will be forgiven but if the FB doesn’t commit whole heartedly to tackle one of them then again everyone will remember that.
Dennis is trying his hardest to get you to understand that but you insist on being probably the only person who holds equal accountability re missed tackles and not singling out the FB for the ultimate miss.
Stopping most attacks by being the last line of defence us actually part of the job description for the position.

Read previous post.

Facts are right there.

Can’t be arsed re-typing them, but once again you’re being made to look quite the Mary once facts are introduced..

 

[Stan Gorton 2511]

Agree with Muzby - Dufty's defence has been better this year.

He made some good tackles on Sunday including one on old Turbo Tom

 

[Old Timer]

Read previous post.

Facts are right there.

Can’t be arsed re-typing them, but once again you’re being made to look quite the Mary once facts are introduced..

LOL you love trying to reinforce your opinion with a smart arse quip.
If anyone is being "Mary'ish" in their thinking process it is you because you don't want to accept that your game plan is not working.
Players "in the front line of defence" are confronted with decision making as they have multiple players running at them.
So it is more difficult for them to ascertain who to tackle so they might well tackle someone but in fact the wrong person or they might run in off the wing or from centre (Aitken & others getting plenty of criticism for that) but in the case of a FB it is not very often you have to make a decision as by the time the play gets to you it is very obvious what needs to be done.
Widdop made a great 1 on 1 on Taumalolo that everyone gasped at and sung his praises well that is what is expected of Dufty and he doesn't deliver that level of ability or toughness.
Dugan (Boyde before him) was incredible at wrestling players and not letting them score again Dufty does not excel in that area. Occasionally he gets it right but other times he is left floundering as he either doesn't know what to do or his level of commitment to the defence part of his job isn't high enough.
The likes of Slater, Boyd, Tedesco are all seen cover defending to the corner post and making the final effort to stop the try and sadly again Dufty doesn't do that on a regular basis.
Some very soft tries are scored against us due to Dufty not being able to defend robustly.
Sure somebody else f**ked up but in the end Dufty had a chance to stop it and didn't.
The tries against us by the Dogs last year were deplorable and so have many been this year.
By the way re your stats, to help throw some light on the numbers you have provided can you do a little maths for us and work out the missed tackles compared to completed tackles as a % and get back to us as I am sure even you would agree that number may be a little more relevant.

 

[Old Timer]

Read previous post.

Facts are right there.

Can’t be arsed re-typing them, but once again you’re being made to look quite the Mary once facts are introduced..

In case you don't get a chance to look at the stats I asked you for according to NRL Dufty this year has made 47 tackles and missed 12 so you are correct the facts are right there it is just a case of how they are presented isn't it?

 

[muzby]

In case you don't get a chance to look at the stats I asked you for according to NRL Dufty this year has made 47 tackles and missed 12 so you are correct the facts are right there it is just a case of how they are presented isn't it?

Bzzzt..

Wrong..

Try again..

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

Any forwards / players coming ????????

 

[Old Timer]

Bzzzt..

Wrong..

Try again..

Would have been easier to just admit for once you totally f**ked up with your assertion as you forgot to factor in how many tackles players make per game in assessing their efficiency re tackles missed.
but have it your way smart arse
Go to
nrl.com
Go to players on the LHS
Type in Matthew Dufty
Click on his photo
Scroll down to defence
Look at tackles made & missed.
Crawl into foetal position and suck thumb.

 

[Old Timer]

muzby


Matthew Dufty
Fullback

Instagram
PLAYER BIO
Height:
179 cm
Weight:
83 kg
Age:
23
Date of Birth:
10 January 1996
Birthplace:
Hurstville, NSW
Nickname:
Duft
Debut Club:
St. George Illawarra Dragons
Opposition:
Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles
Date:
23 July 2017
Round:
20
Previous Club:
-
Junior Club:
Penshurst RSL
Biography:
The local Penshurst RSL junior is a graduate of the St George Dragons SG Ball team and has previously been named in both the New South Wales' Under-20s (2016) and New South Wales' Under-18s (2014) squads.

Dufty agreed to terms on a two-year contract extension that will see him remain at the Dragons until at least the end of the 2021 season.

CAREER/
APPEARANCES
44
TRIES
19
2019 SEASON/
APPEARANCES
11
SCORING
TRIES
3
ATTACK
TRY ASSISTS
2
LINE BREAKS
2
TACKLE BREAKS
42
PASSING
RECEIPTS
235
DEFENCE
TACKLES MADE
47
MISSED TACKLES
12
TACKLE EFFICIENCY

 

[muzby]

Go to foxsports.. You’ll find the correct figures there..

I’ll await your apology for your nasty words then..

 

[dragon thomo]

Dufty is a speedbump at the back.
You cant use the same stats as the players in the front line as they dont come under constant pressure in regards to tackling.
I was amazed he stopped turbo in the last line so your right he may of improved because i cant not remember him macking many.
Our back three are terrible and a big reason why we are the position we are in.

 

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Read previous post.

Facts are right there.

Can’t be arsed re-typing them, but once again you’re being made to look quite the Mary once facts are introduced..

Would have been easier to just admit for once you totally f**ked up with your assertion as you forgot to factor in how many tackles players make per game in assessing their efficiency re tackles missed.
but have it your way smart arse
Go to
nrl.com
Go to players on the LHS
Type in Matthew Dufty
Click on his photo
Scroll down to defence
Look at tackles made & missed.
Crawl into foetal position and suck thumb.

LMAO!

 

[blacksafake]

Any forwards / players coming ????????

Alvaro