Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[franklin2323]

Badly need a fast TALL winger with Peach back. Sorry Sauce I love ya but its time to go

NSW Cup play on TV Sat. They have a few options down there if nothing else comes up in the market

 

[herbert henry1908]

100% agree.
The back end of 2016 he was superb. Since then hot and cold.

An overrated talent that is as inconsistent as Shaun Johnson. Some weeks he is a match winner other weeks a chump. He has done nothing the past 2 matches so that means against the lousy Bulldogs he should be due for a big performance.

Most sharks fans speak pretty highly of his season last year. Admittedly I didn’t see a heap of his games, but he had some good stats. 16 try assists for example.

 

[Dave's mate]

Most sharks fans speak pretty highly of his season last year. Admittedly I didn’t see a heap of his games, but he had some good stats. 16 try assists for example.

Toweled us up 3 times

 

[herbert henry1908]

That is what is stopping me from blowing up about this. Just coming to week 2 isn't good enough. Too many holes in the roster fix that and then bring in a good coach and watch the team flourish

We all should be blowing up about a failure to convert our talented juniors into better first graders. That’s where the problem lies.

But if you’re just going to keep moving out the players, without improving the development, then the cycle never ends.


I could well see us here in 3-4 years having the exact conversations.

 

[betcats]

Toweled us up 3 times

The first two in particular he was the difference.

We all should be blowing up about a failure to convert our talented juniors into better first graders. That’s where the problem lies.

But if you’re just going to keep moving out the players, without improving the development, then the cycle never ends.


I could well see us here in 3-4 years having the exact conversations.

We have just spent a huge amount of money on improving our junior development.

 

[herbert henry1908]

We have just spent a huge amount of money on improving our junior development.

And until it we see results I’ll remain sceptical, especially with a first grade coach like Ivan.

 

[franklin2323]

We all should be blowing up about a failure to convert our talented juniors into better first graders. That’s where the problem lies.

But if you’re just going to keep moving out the players, without improving the development, then the cycle never ends.


I could well see us here in 3-4 years having the exact conversations.

If we are like when I wanted Gus gone I will have the same views but there is changes..like most on here wanted. Then same people blow up when changes actually get made

 

[franklin2323]

We have just spent a huge amount of money on improving our junior development.

No Gus or Hook too. It's not like changes aren't happening.

It is a shame I liked Blake but the team wasn't where it should of been so changes had to get made

 

[Roosters rule]

Most sharks fans speak pretty highly of his season last year. Admittedly I didn’t see a heap of his games, but he had some good stats. 16 try assists for example.

Far too inconsistent for mine.

Out of those 16 try assists 6 of them came against Newcastle in 1 game in Round 12. He did nothing the week after in the Sharks loss to Souths.

He seems to perform well against the weak teams or against you guys because he has a point to prove.
Then he goes missing when his team really needs him.
He was poor in the semis against the Roosters (week 1) and Melbourne (week 3) when it was time to stand up, yet performed against Penrith in week 2 because he had a point to prove.

I see the class but its too inconsistent.

 

[TheFrog]

Some weeks he is a match winner other weeks a chump.

More often both on the same afternoon.

 

[Pomoz]

If you think all the players get along you are kidding yourself.

When Ivan said there were deeper issues that he needs to get to the bottom of a few weeks ago this is the sort of thing he was referring to.

Instead of trying to manage the situation they have decided to flick players with a potential issue culturally.

In the book “Good to Great” by Tom Collins which is about what makes companies successful, among other things they list “getting rid of people not on the bus” as a major factor. Former GE CEO Jack Walsh, a renowned leader and now leadership mentor also talks in his book about what made GE so good. He said that getting rid of people whom whilst they were good performers, were not on the bus, was what enabled them to breakthrough to the next level. In short, Ivan is following a well trodden and proven path.

Attitude is everything and to be fair to Ivan, Blake has never really stood out as a team leader even in his best year. He doesn’t go looking for the ball, he rarely does something to try and lift his team mates. Some games you barely notice he is on the field.

I always thought he was going to be a star, but like many juniors over the years, he just hasn’t gone to the next level. He rarely makes anything happen on his own (he doesn’t read the game that well), and needs others to put him in space to use his athleticism. After seeing Wighton run him down like he was wearing divers boots, he is not even able to do that at the moment.

 

[TheFrog]

Badly need a fast TALL winger with Peach back.

How many of those have we shown the door in the past couple of years?

 

[Pomoz]

Wayne Bennett is the perfect example of managing various personalities in his team differently and his success speaks for itself.

And we chose Ivan Cleary over him, JFC.

Except Bennett does not tolerate poor attitude. Those players are moved on regardless of who they are. Personalities and attitude are not the same thing. You can teach players to pass, defend, lift heavy weights, but you can’t teach attitude. Players either want in or they don’t. That’s OK, find a player who wants in and it doesn’t matter of they are a crazy off the wall cross dresser, who has a fetish for ladies underwear as long as their attitude is right.

 

[OldPanther]

How many of those have we shown the door in the past couple of years?

 

[herbert henry1908]

In the book “Good to Great” by Tom Collins which is about what makes companies successful, among other things they list “getting rid of people not on the bus” as a major factor. Former GE CEO Jack Walsh, a renowned leader and now leadership mentor also talks in his book about what made GE so good. He said that getting rid of people whom whilst they were good performers, were not on the bus, was what enabled them to breakthrough to the next level. In short, Ivan is following a well trodden and proven path.

Attitude is everything and to be fair to Ivan, Blake has never really stood out as a team leader even in his best year. He doesn’t go looking for the ball, he rarely does something to try and lift his team mates. Some games you barely notice he is on the field.

I always thought he was going to be a star, but like many juniors over the years, he just hasn’t gone to the next level. He rarely makes anything has open on his own (he doesn’t read the game that well), and needs others to put him in space to use his athleticism. After seeing Wighton run him down like he was wearing divers boots, he is not even able to do that at the moment.

So what results in Ivan’s 14 year career would prove his system works?

One grand final appearance? Two top 4’s?

Maybe his system is the right one, but I’m almost certain he’s not the right person to implement it.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Except Bennett does not tolerate poor attitude. Those players are moved on regardless of who they are. Personalities and attitude are not the same thing. You can teach players to pass, defend, lift heavy weights, but you can’t teach attitude. Players either want in or they don’t. That’s OK, find a player who wants in and it doesn’t matter of they are a crazy off the wall cross dresser, who has a fetish for ladies underwear as long as their attitude is right.

He just brought Roberts to Souths, who’s renowned as having a poor attitude.

 

[franklin2323]

So what results in Ivan’s 14 year career would prove his system works?

One grand final appearance? Two top 4’s?

Maybe his system is the right one, but I’m almost certain he’s not the right person to implement it.

That is where I am torn. We needed change it wasn't working but not sure Ivan can take us to where we need to be

 

[forby]

Now we have 2spots to fill before Sunday!

 

[OldPanther]

Now we have 2spots to fill before Sunday!

I have it on good authority that we are getting Ponga.

 

[mxlegend99]

That is where I am torn. We needed change it wasn't working but not sure Ivan can take us to where we need to be

If we want to free up 30 spots for inferior players... Ivan and Hook are perfect. If we want our team to get better... well neither of these merkins is or was the man for the job. Ivan peaked with us 5 years ago.

Its hilarious he cones back trying to get rid of good players because they are on overs... yet he's the merkin who gave Matulino, Packer, Reynolds and Mbye 4 year deals on huge money.

We're in great hands with nobody at the club to stop him.