Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[franklin2323]

The club is a shitfight and always has been for its whole history. Hopeless merkins top to bottom

Sadly true... I don't think it will change in my lifetime. Hopefully my kids see some success

 

[franklin2323]

It’s very simple. The cycle of players moving on before their contract finishes never ends.

In isolation I’m sure there’s good reasons for many of the players moving on, but as a whole is looks like bad roster management.

The club would’ve known for some time there were many prospective NRL level players coming through, so why then give a long deal to Blake?



Btw, this isn’t just an observation by panthers fans. Speak to other fans out there, people are completely puzzled how we constantly have players leave mid contract. Our club is now known for that, can’t be good for recruitment.

2016 as this year you expect given new coaches. Those inbetween years those that left out weighed what came into the squad. Something was up

 

[Kilkenny]

It’s very simple. The cycle of players moving on before their contract finishes never ends.

In isolation I’m sure there’s good reasons for many of the players moving on, but as a whole is looks like bad roster management.

The club would’ve known for some time there were many prospective NRL level players coming through, so why then give a long deal to Blake?



Btw, this isn’t just an observation by panthers fans. Speak to other fans out there, people are completely puzzled how we constantly have players leave mid contract. Our club is now known for that, can’t be good for recruitment.

It across the NRL players transferring mid contract has just become commonplace.

Many of the players we so often refer to such as Bryce, Moylan etc wanted to leave. You don’t keep players who are unhappy for whatever reason.

I’m not a huge fan of long term deals but when a contract means nothing anyway what difference does it make just as long as there is another club willing to take someone off your hands such as in the case of Blake.

 

[betcats]

The club is a shitfight and always has been for its whole history. Hopeless merkins top to bottom

I feel a big win coming buddy you’ll be right. This time next season we’ll have 3 or 4 more young talents in the mix, eventually we’ll some talent in the front office and coaching box, the good thing is the juniors are prepped and ready to go we just need the people in place who manage it effectively. Some merkin will work it out.

 

[Kilkenny]

Or we are just finding out what some of us suspected and Gus is terrible at Cap management

Maybe not perfect but terrible is just plain silly.

I swear if James Hooper said tomorrow Dean Whare was on 600k a season you and others would have no difficulty in swallowing it.

We are seriously making more of recent events than is necessary or warranted.

Ivan has fully power over all things football, rightly or wrongly, whether we like it or not.

I think we would be better served getting behind his rebuild and hoping season 2020 is going to be better than the current one.

 

[franklin2323]

Maybe not perfect but terrible is just plain silly.

I swear if James Hooper said tomorrow Dean Whare was on 600k a season you and others would have no difficulty in swallowing it.

We are seriously making more of recent events than is necessary or warranted.

Ivan has fully power over all things football, rightly or wrongly, whether we like it or not.

I think we would be better served getting behind his rebuild and hoping season 2020 is going to be better than the current one.

I don't care what James Hooper or others say. I personally can't see how this team is so close to the cap that moves like this are needed.

 

[franklin2323]

I feel a big win coming buddy you’ll be right. This time next season we’ll have 3 or 4 more young talents in the mix, eventually we’ll some talent in the front office and coaching box, the good thing is the juniors are prepped and ready to go we just need the people in place who manage it effectively. Some merkin will work it out.

Problem is we start to look good and something happens to ruin it

 

[herbert henry1908]

It across the NRL players transferring mid contract has just become commonplace.

Many of the players we so often refer to such as Bryce, Moylan etc wanted to leave. You don’t keep players who are unhappy for whatever reason.

I’m not a huge fan of long term deals but when a contract means nothing anyway what difference does it make just as long as there is another club willing to take someone off your hands such as in the case of Blake.

We are particularly known for it. Go and ask some other fans.

And the fact we are known for it is not good for recruitment.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I think we would be better served getting behind his rebuild and hoping season 2020 is going to be better than the current one.

Wether we get behind it or not probably isn’t changing much.



Edit: Having thought about it more, fan pressure can actually change things I think. I’m not going to blindly get on the bus and support Cleary when I think (know) he’s a dud. I’ll cheer on my team every week, but I won’t blindly support such a limited coach.

The club will be here long after Ivan Cleary, and so will I.

 

[franklin2323]

Wether we get behind it or not probably isn’t changing much.

I am fine with a rebuild. Not when every year is one

 

[Pomoz]

It’s very simple. The cycle of players moving on before their contract finishes never ends.

In isolation I’m sure there’s good reasons for many of the players moving on, but as a whole is looks like bad roster management.

The club would’ve known for some time there were many prospective NRL level players coming through, so why then give a long deal to Blake?



Btw, this isn’t just an observation by panthers fans. Speak to other fans out there, people are completely puzzled how we constantly have players leave mid contract. Our club is now known for that, can’t be good for recruitment.

Listen to Gus's podcast. Moving on highly paid players, or "trading them out" as he calls it is what he considers to be good cap management and one of the reasons you build a good junior development process. If you are lucky and get a few good juniors coming through you trade out selected expensive players and bring in a cheaper junior. Obviously, this only works if you have an eye on the experience in the team and you select the right players to move on. It would seem to me that Blake and DWZ fit that category exactly. Expensive, unlikely to improve further, not game breakers or best in their position. They are perfect candidates to be moved on. The Roosters moved on Pearce and RTS when it suited them, two players better than anything we have now or have had for the last five years. When we signed Blake and DWZ we took a punt they would go to the next level and their contracts reflected this. As Gus said, when you do that and it doesn't come off you "trade them out".

This is not a shitfight, or terrible management. It's what clubs do with their rosters to try and maximise the value from the cap and keep the club fresh and competitive. In the past we would have kept both these players and let them stink up the place with their overpaid mediocrity, whilst watching a young promising junior leave because there are no opportunities at the Panthers.

It is almost impossible to know what players will go to the next level, or who will just flat line. When Blake was re-signed we all cheered, the same with DWZ. Did either of them go on to earn their upgrades? The answer is no, so see you later boys thanks for the memories, move on, nothing to see here.

Roster management is a business process with no place for sentimentality. We trade, we sometimes pay top ups, we sometimes get a better player ourselves that is part paid by another club. Every club does it.

I think the management at Panthers sucks with the way it has managed coaching appointments, but I have absolutely no issue with the club managing the roster this way. Provided of course, they do sign or keep better or cheaper equivalents players in their place.

 

[Dave's mate]

Listen to Gus's podcast. Moving on highly paid players, or "trading them out" as he calls it is what he considers to be good cap management and one of the reasons you build a good junior development process. If you are lucky and get a few good juniors coming through you trade out selected expensive players and bring in a cheaper junior. Obviously, this only works if you have an eye on the experience in the team and you select the right players to move on. It would seem to me that Blake and DWZ fit that category exactly. Expensive, unlikely to improve further, not game breakers or best in their position. They are perfect candidates to be moved on. The Roosters moved on Pearce and RTS when it suited them, two players better than anything we have now or have had for the last five years. When we signed Blake and DWZ we took a punt they would go to the next level and their contracts reflected this. As Gus said, when you do that and it doesn't come off you "trade them out".

This is not a shitfight, or terrible management. It's what clubs do with their rosters to try and maximise the value from the cap and keep the club fresh and competitive. In the past we would have kept both these players and let them stink up the place with their overpaid mediocrity, whilst watching a young promising junior leave because there are no opportunities at the Panthers.

It is almost impossible to know what players will go to the next level, or who will just flat line. When Blake was re-signed we all cheered, the same with DWZ. Did either of them go on to earn their upgrades? The answer is no, so see you later boys thanks for the memories, move on, nothing to see here.

Roster management is a business process with no place for sentimentality. We trade, we sometimes pay top ups, we sometimes get a better player ourselves that is part paid by another club. Every club does it.

I think the management at Panthers sucks with the way it has managed coaching appointments, but I have absolutely no issue with the club managing the roster this way. Provided of course, they do sign or keep better or cheaper equivalents players in their place.

Some very good points on the overall way teams move players on but the fact is we suck at it

 

[herbert henry1908]

Listen to Gus's podcast. Moving on highly paid players, or "trading them out" as he calls it is what he considers to be good cap management and one of the reasons you build a good junior development process. If you are lucky and get a few good juniors coming through you trade out selected expensive players and bring in a cheaper junior. Obviously, this only works if you have an eye on the experience in the team and you select the right players to move on. It would seem to me that Blake and DWZ fit that category exactly. Expensive, unlikely to improve further, not game breakers or best in their position. They are perfect candidates to be moved on. The Roosters moved on Pearce and RTS when it suited them, two players better than anything we have now or have had for the last five years. When we signed Blake and DWZ we took a punt they would go to the next level and their contracts reflected this. As Gus said, when you do that and it doesn't come off you "trade them out".

This is not a shitfight, or terrible management. It's what clubs do with their rosters to try and maximise the value from the cap and keep the club fresh and competitive. In the past we would have kept both these players and let them stink up the place with their overpaid mediocrity, whilst watching a young promising junior leave because there are no opportunities at the Panthers.

It is almost impossible to know what players will go to the next level, or who will just flat line. When Blake was re-signed we all cheered, the same with DWZ. Did either of them go on to earn their upgrades? The answer is no, so see you later boys thanks for the memories, move on, nothing to see here.

Roster management is a business process with no place for sentimentality. We trade, we sometimes pay top ups, we sometimes get a better player ourselves that is part paid by another club. Every club does it.

I think the management at Panthers sucks with the way it has managed coaching appointments, but I have absolutely no issue with the club managing the roster this way. Provided of course, they do sign or keep better or cheaper equivalents players in their place.

Mate, we’ve done this dance before. You’ve told me his thoughts on it.

I remain convinced more than ever it’s a bad strategy. Just because a certain roster management technique was deliberate, does not make it a good strategy.

There’s also talk now that some of the contracts were backloaded. This is undoubtedly bad management.

As I mentioned to Killkeny, we are now league wide known as a club that shifts people regularly. And as you’ve mentioned, Penrith have a tougher time than most recruiting, Gus’ strategy will make recruitment harder for us.


In fact I think it’s telling you use the roosters example. There’s a club that doesn’t have an issue attracting recruits, therefore the swapping out strategy is probably fine for them. But in my view it’s a roadblock for a club that already struggles to recruit. A man with a family for example would be very concerned about signing with us.

 

[betcats]

Listen to Gus's podcast. Moving on highly paid players, or "trading them out" as he calls it is what he considers to be good cap management and one of the reasons you build a good junior development process. If you are lucky and get a few good juniors coming through you trade out selected expensive players and bring in a cheaper junior. Obviously, this only works if you have an eye on the experience in the team and you select the right players to move on. It would seem to me that Blake and DWZ fit that category exactly. Expensive, unlikely to improve further, not game breakers or best in their position. They are perfect candidates to be moved on. The Roosters moved on Pearce and RTS when it suited them, two players better than anything we have now or have had for the last five years. When we signed Blake and DWZ we took a punt they would go to the next level and their contracts reflected this. As Gus said, when you do that and it doesn't come off you "trade them out".

This is not a shitfight, or terrible management. It's what clubs do with their rosters to try and maximise the value from the cap and keep the club fresh and competitive. In the past we would have kept both these players and let them stink up the place with their overpaid mediocrity, whilst watching a young promising junior leave because there are no opportunities at the Panthers.

It is almost impossible to know what players will go to the next level, or who will just flat line. When Blake was re-signed we all cheered, the same with DWZ. Did either of them go on to earn their upgrades? The answer is no, so see you later boys thanks for the memories, move on, nothing to see here.

Roster management is a business process with no place for sentimentality. We trade, we sometimes pay top ups, we sometimes get a better player ourselves that is part paid by another club. Every club does it.

I think the management at Panthers sucks with the way it has managed coaching appointments, but I have absolutely no issue with the club managing the roster this way. Provided of course, they do sign or keep better or cheaper equivalents players in their place.

Good read.

 

[betcats]

Mate, we’ve done this dance before. You’ve told me his thoughts on it.

I remain convinced more than ever it’s a bad strategy. Just because a certain roster management technique was deliberate, does not make it a good strategy.

There’s also talk now that some of the contracts were backloaded. This is undoubtedly bad management.

As I mentioned to Killkeny, we are now league wide known as a club that shifts people regularly. And as you’ve mentioned, Penrith have a tougher time than most recruiting, Gus’ strategy will make recruitment harder for us.

Known league wide by who? There are at least two other clubs that have shifted out two players early this year. We don’t churn through more players than other clubs, we are mid range for that.

 

[panthersam]

Listen to Gus's podcast. Moving on highly paid players, or "trading them out" as he calls it is what he considers to be good cap management and one of the reasons you build a good junior development process. If you are lucky and get a few good juniors coming through you trade out selected expensive players and bring in a cheaper junior. Obviously, this only works if you have an eye on the experience in the team and you select the right players to move on. It would seem to me that Blake and DWZ fit that category exactly. Expensive, unlikely to improve further, not game breakers or best in their position. They are perfect candidates to be moved on. The Roosters moved on Pearce and RTS when it suited them, two players better than anything we have now or have had for the last five years. When we signed Blake and DWZ we took a punt they would go to the next level and their contracts reflected this. As Gus said, when you do that and it doesn't come off you "trade them out".

This is not a shitfight, or terrible management. It's what clubs do with their rosters to try and maximise the value from the cap and keep the club fresh and competitive. In the past we would have kept both these players and let them stink up the place with their overpaid mediocrity, whilst watching a young promising junior leave because there are no opportunities at the Panthers.

It is almost impossible to know what players will go to the next level, or who will just flat line. When Blake was re-signed we all cheered, the same with DWZ. Did either of them go on to earn their upgrades? The answer is no, so see you later boys thanks for the memories, move on, nothing to see here.

Roster management is a business process with no place for sentimentality. We trade, we sometimes pay top ups, we sometimes get a better player ourselves that is part paid by another club. Every club does it.

I think the management at Panthers sucks with the way it has managed coaching appointments, but I have absolutely no issue with the club managing the roster this way. Provided of course, they do sign or keep better or cheaper equivalents players in their place.

Great post I definitely agree about the point of just moving on from the players that will no longer be wearing that black jersey. While we can always wonder what could have been with certain players, I think it’s much better to just put that energy into supporting the players we do have that are willing to put the effort in going forward! Especially seeing as we are currently on a 4-0 run with a big chance to take that to 6-0 with a bye over the next few weeks.

 

[betcats]

People acting like our management is exceptionally bad compared to other clubs are delusional. Parra have been a basket case since before I was born. Look around the league there’s two clubs that are run well consistently. Not even the broncos can make that list. We should certainly demand better from our management but the doom and gloom is a bit much IMO.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Known league wide by who? There are at least two other clubs that have shifted out two players early this year. We don’t churn through more players than other clubs, we are mid range for that.

The churn figures posted before were total numbers of players who had left the club, I’m specifically talking about players who haven’t finished their contracts. This is the more worrying aspect.

We’re league wide known by fans, and if the fans talk about it so are the players. Go check social media every time a panthers player leaves. Same jokes each time.

 

[OldPanther]

I'm not worried about losing players(well I do on a personal level when it's a favourite) but from a club perspective it doesn't mean much though it'd be nice to be signing better players.

For example Roosters: Cronk in Pearce out.

Us: Blake, DWZ out Naden and maybe Peachey in.

 

[betcats]

The churn figures posted before were total numbers of players who had left the club, I’m specifically talking about players who haven’t finished their contracts. This is the more worrying aspect.

We’re league wide known by fans, and if the fans talk about it so are the players. Go check social media every time a panthers player leaves. Same jokes each time.

So you are basking this off social media jokes? And the players are talking about it? Come on, you really stretch things out sometimes.