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Signings for 2020 and future looking team

Dragonslayer

First Grade
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This is the team I imagine McFail will go with come round 1:
1. Lomax
2. Williame
3. Aitken
4. Lafai
5. Pearson
6. Norman
7. Hunt
8. Vaughan
9. McInnes
10. Graham
11. Frizzell
12. Simms
13. Merrin
14. Luke
15. Simms
16. Laurie
17. Dufty

At this early stage, I think: (excluding JDB)
1. Lomax
2. Saab
3. Aitken (God please!)
4. Lafai
5. Periera
6. Norman
7. Hunt
8. Lawrie
9. McInnes (c)
10. Vaughan
11. Friz
12. T. Sims
13. K. Sims
14. Luke
15. Graham
16. Merrin
17. Ford/Host
 

Frank Facer

First Grade
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This is the team I imagine McFail will go with come round 1:
1. Lomax
2. Williame
3. Aitken
4. Lafai
5. Pearson
6. Norman
7. Hunt
8. Vaughan
9. McInnes
10. Graham
11. Frizzell
12. Simms
13. Merrin
14. Luke
15. Simms
16. Laurie
17. Dufty
I think you will be pretty close to the mark. I think Saab will be one of the wingers, while Sailor may be on the bench instead of Dufty, due to his ability to play fullback, wing, centre and 5/8.
 

BrissyRedV

Bench
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I think you will be pretty close to the mark. I think Saab will be one of the wingers, while Sailor may be on the bench instead of Dufty, due to his ability to play fullback, wing, centre and 5/8.
By no means is this the team I would select, but McGregor has shown he prefers experience over younger talent, as they are more likely to be consistent.
 

gitano

Juniors
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2,364
Last time Aitken and Lafai have both were both off contract,they produced barnstorming starts the season. Will they be able to do the same again. Even if they did, I would not even consider resigning either of them.
Laffy is probably worth another 2 years. Aitken is the long term number 3 Franky boy, so sit back, enjoy and for goodness sake relax
 

possm

Coach
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I think you will be pretty close to the mark. I think Saab will be one of the wingers, while Sailor may be on the bench instead of Dufty, due to his ability to play fullback, wing, centre and 5/8.
Luke will be our 14. Dufty and Sailor will have to leave or make their way into first grade through CC.
 

getsmarty

Immortal
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By no means is this the team I would select, but McGregor has shown he prefers experience over younger talent, as they are more likely to be consistent.

Yep...our centres are consistently S%%T........

Once McGregor goes...they will also be gone...Take that as a given...no decent 1st grade coach would renew these under-performing .Duds.
 

BrissyRedV

Bench
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Yep...our centres are consistently S%%T........

Once McGregor goes...they will also be gone...Take that as a given...no decent 1st grade coach would renew these under-performing .Duds.
Just think, a decade ago, we had the best centre pairing in the comp running around. Whilst the coach doesn't help the situation, where does this pair rank?
 

getsmarty

Immortal
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Just think, a decade ago, we had the best centre pairing in the comp running around. Whilst the coach doesn't help the situation, where does this pair rank?

Lafai's best days are behind him...aitken doesn't have the footy smarts...The fact that Our esteemed coach represented our country @ right centre and he cannot fix aitken's deficiencies speaks volumes for his inability to get the best out of players....under a decent coach Aitken could possibly be a serviceable centre....We have much better prospects coming through our Junior ranks........Both should be moved on...We tried to offload Aitken..NO TAKERS...What does that tell you LOL

No comparison to Gasnier and Cooper....its like comparing a clapped up old mini to a Porsche...
 

BrissyRedV

Bench
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Lafai's best days are behind him...aitken doesn't have the footy smarts...The fact that Our esteemed coach represented our country @ right centre and he cannot fix aitken's deficiencies speaks volumes for his inability to get the best out of players....under a decent coach Aitken could possibly be a serviceable centre....We have much better prospects coming through our Junior ranks........Both should be moved on...We tried to offload Aitken..NO TAKERS...What does that tell you LOL

No comparison to Gasnier and Cooper....its like comparing a clapped up old mini to a Porsche...
I reckon they could both be serviceable given the right coaching but there is better out there on the market and we have a good crop coming through. We just need to be rid of McGregor before he can make his cancerous mark upon them.
 

getsmarty

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I reckon they could both be serviceable given the right coaching but there is better out there on the market and we have a good crop coming through. We just need to be rid of McGregor before he can make his cancerous mark upon them.

Lafai is running on "Old " Legs and defensively weak...Aitken has been consistently Poor...

It's time to end the experiment.....Of Course McGregor will still pick them both....
 

Dragonslayer

First Grade
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At this early stage, I think: (excluding JDB)
1. Lomax
2. Saab
3. Aitken (God please!)
4. Lafai
5. Periera
6. Norman
7. Hunt
8. Lawrie
9. McInnes (c)
10. Vaughan
11. Friz
12. T. Sims
13. K. Sims
14. Luke
15. Graham
16. Merrin
17. Ford/Host

Just going to run with this a little more and include the likely lineup for CC (my opinion only)

1. Lomax......….…...….Dufty
2. Saab...……………...Ravalawa
3. Aitken...……..……...Sailor
4. Lafai………………...Sauni-Esau
5. Periera……………...Pearson
6. Norman...…..………Wishart
7. Hunt...………………Clune
8. Lawrie...…….………Blacker
9. McInnes (c)…………Lovodua
10. Vaughan.....……….Kerr
11. Friz…………………Ford/Host
12. T. Sims...….………..?
13. K. Sims...….……….H. Lomax
14. Luke...……..………..?
15. Graham...…………...?
16. Merrin.......................?
17. Ford/Host..................?

Don't see where Williame fits into this squad tbh.
I think the other DS players, Sullivan and the Fegai;s will start in JF, along with Schiller and Ramsey.

Anyway you guys may have something different and that's ok too.
 

Frank Facer

First Grade
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Laffy is probably worth another 2 years. Aitken is the long term number 3 Franky boy, so sit back, enjoy and for goodness sake relax
Are there any clubs lining up to speak to Aitken who is off contract at the end of next season and if so, who are those clubs? I don't believe that any clubs are keen to sign Aitken.
 

getsmarty

Immortal
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The St George Illawarra Dragons have lost their identity



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They are one of the proudest clubs in rugby league history with some of the most passionate fans - but the St George Illawarra Dragons have completely lost their identity.


This has been coming for some time mind you, but heading into the 2020 NRL season it appears that the Red V have lost all sense of what made them great to begin with.

The fall of the Dragons is more complicated than what is happening on the field, where they finished 15th in 2019 - the lowest in their history.

St George's issues are deeper than losing games and players under-performing - it is widespread and it is cultural.

The Saints had one of the lowest average attendances of any NRL club in 2019, and that is clearly a response to the poor management as much as it is the results on the field.

A lot of the blame for the Dragons issues are linked back to Paul McGregor, who in six seasons as head coach has managed to make the finals just twice for a highest finish of 7th.

Ahead of the 2018 season he declared that he 'finally had the squad he wanted' and the side managed to go very close to a preliminary final. We'll give that a pass mark.

In 2019, they picked up Corey Norman and Korbin Sims and looked set to challenge for the NRL premiership - but losing Jack de Belin before the season had even started derailed things.

It set in motion a domino effect, amplified by the injury to Gareth Widdop in round 3 - that almost led to the side boycotting a game against Newcastle during the season.

Players were dropped in and out of the side, and by the time the Origin period finished they had a chance against the Raiders to turn things around and make a run for the finals.

But despite playing against 12 men for the majority of the second half, they were defeated 36-14 and from there the season continued to spiral.

After their season finished, the club held a review - and, apparently, McGregor is still the man to lead the club forward. Since then there have been some huge concerns.


Ben Hornby - a club legend and premiership-winning captain - was made a scapegoat and shown the door despite being well-liked and respected by players.

The former halfback has since moved to South Sydney and will hone his coaching craft under the legendary Wayne Bennett.

The man replacing Hornby is disgraced former Sharks coach Shane Flanagan - who has been at the centre of not one, but TWO cheating scandals for peptides and salary cap anomalies.

When the Dragons were at their peak there is no way that Flanagan, despite his strong coaching record, would have been welcomed so easily into the fold after past indiscretions.

Despite desperately needing outside backs, they opted to sign veteran hooker Issac Luke even though they have an 80-minute rake in Cameron McInnes already at the helm.

Reports surfaced last week that local junior Matt Dufty embarrasingly found out he wouldn't be first-choice fullback for 2020 in the Sunday paper, showing a clear lack of communication from the coach.

The 23-year old has been told he can look elswhere despite a stellar debut season in 2018 that saw him ink a rich new deal until the end of 2021, and is one of the side's biggest threats in attack.

Speaking of threats in attack - the club for some unknown reason released skilful back-rower Luciano Leilua to the Tigers despite the giant reportedly wanting to stay at the club long-term.

Another local junior, Leilua had been in the Dragons system since his early teens and was starting to come into his own in the NRL before being discarded by the Red V.

And his replacement is former Dragon Trent Merrin - who despite having a wealth of experience, is about five seasons past his best football and underperformed in the UK Super League.

The list of baffling decisions and internal issues is a mile long, and it has led to Dragons fans becoming increasingly disheartened with the club they love.

I need ideas on who I can support if I punt the dragons. Any club that sign Issac Luke and plays McInnes in the back row I can no longer commit to. 40+ years gone because of the imbicile running and coaching at the joint

— Benny (@saintbenny63) November 16, 2019
STGEORGE #ILLAWARRAMAFIA DRAGONS RECRUITMENT pic.twitter.com/nJSm5lObbE

— agrothedragon (@agrothedragon1) November 29, 2019
The first thing Wayne Bennett did when arriving at https://t.co/3Z7hM64Ok4 was fire that bum McGregor. Bennett doesn’t suffer fools. Good luck Ben Hornby, you might actually now learn what to do as a coach under Bennett, rather than what not to do under McGregor. @Mcgrexit#redvhttps://t.co/vJ08cFql4w

— Saint Benny (@Saint_Benny) November 28, 2019
Letting Leilua go for a bloke that severely underachieved in the Super League is the clubs way of admitting Mary and his coaching staff cannot develop talent. What a disgraceful decision #themyththatismary#2020spoon#maryout

— Murray23 (@murray23) November 29, 2019
2020 for the Dragons will largely depend on whether or not Jack de Belin successfully fights his sexual assault charges - but the issues are so deeply rooted.

Discarding club legends like Hornby or local juniors like Leilua is a clear sign that the Dragons have lost their way.

If things don't change soon, the once proud club will become even more of a shell of itself than it is right now.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/othe...a-dragons-have-lost-their-identity/ar-BBXCbk8

P.S Thanks Taxidriver
 
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