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2021 - Squad, Signings, Re-signings

possm

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However it didn't happen works for me mate...
Griffin, who is closer to the situation than me, did not think he was a good fit for Saints. That is good enough for me.

Let's move on and find a top grade prop, we have enough props 'with potential'. I suggest, if possible, Saints should find a prop with a price tag of around 500k and swap him for either Hunt or Norman.

If Hunt and Norman are going great guns at training and Griffin is happy with their their attitude and progress, then just sign the right prop, I'm sure we have the cap to do this.
 

getsmarty

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Anthony Griffin gives struggling halves no guarantees, outlines position plans for Jack Bird

Written By Ed Chisholm
@ChisholmEd


Jack Bird will be eased back from consecutive knee reconstructions via the back row, Anthony Griffin has revealed, as the new Dragons coach declares all spots in his starting side for next season are up for grabs this off-season.

Griffin started the latest chapter of his coaching career three weeks ago as the Red V returned for pre-season training, with the former Broncos and Panthers boss tasked with turning the once-proud club into a premiership force again.


Among the multitude of questions on Dragons fans' lips entering the 2021 season, those surrounding newest recruit Bird's position have been most prevalent.

The returning Dragons junior arrives from the Broncos with just 17 games in three seasons at Red Hill to his name, having contested with two knee reconstructions in that time.


On track to complete his rehabilitation in time for the Dragons' trial fixtures in February, Griffin believes Bird will be able to return to the heights that had him playing State of Origin while at Cronulla.

And while Bird played his best football at centre for the Sharks, Griffin told Sky Sports Radio he has different plans for his newest recruit's return to the field.

"He's frustrated obviously over the last couple of years he's had with his body," Griffin said of Bird's recovery.

"He's got about a month left in his rehab but he's got a real spring in his step.

"We did a heavy conditioning session yesterday and he flogged it, he's just got a real hunger about him, Jack. Hopefully mid-January he'll join the main group and be ready to play in the trials.

"I think the thing with Jack at the moment is the simpler the better. We might play him in the back row where he doesn't have that one-on-one dynamic movement both offensively and defensively early in his football so he just gets in there and gets dirty and gets some carries, make some tackles, gets some confidence in his knee.

"Whatever is best for the team and Jack after that, we'll sort it out."

Dragons fans will be desperately praying Griffin holds the key to unlocking failed halves Ben Hunt and Corey Norman, who he coached while at the Broncos.

The star pair, who together are reported to be occupying close to $1.8 million in salary cap space, have individually and collectively been made the scapegoats of the club's struggles in recent years.

While Hunt spent time and excelled playing hooker at times this season under Paul McGregor, and has done so in the Origin arena for Queensland too, Griffin has been insistent on him returning to halfback next year.

"Ben's a quality seven that can play nine. He can do it at both ends and he's done it at both ends in representative football as well," Griffin said of his maligned playmaker.

"He's a halfback that's played finals football, he's played grand finals, he's played at Origin level.

"He's coming to a part of his career where he's 30 now so to really fulfill his career it's important that he plays his best football of the next two or three years."

As for Norman, Griffin was blunt in outlining what it will take for the hot-and-cold five-eighth to gain his loyalty.

"There's a lot of potential still to be unlocked out of Corey Norman but in the end that'll come down to what Corey wants to do with his career and he's got an opportunity to do some really good stuff with the club this year," he said.

"He's a really good quality player... but by his own admission, he's not where he's needed to be the last couple of years.

"I think the key for Corey is that he works really hard, he prepares well and he's probably been guilty of not doing that.

"His first month since I've been here he's been spot on. My focus with him is that he doesn't cut any corners, he works really hard and he puts the team first."

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But with promising playmakers Adam Clune and Jayden Sullivan showing glimpses of their talents this year also, Griffin has given no guarantees over Hunt and Norman's selection.

"With all the positions at the moment, they're up for grabs for whoever wants them and whoever's going to give to the team the most and perform in the off-season," Griffin added.

After three years out of the game following his last coaching stint with Penrith, Griffin's under no illusions as to the fact he's undertaken one of the hardest coaching jobs in the game currently.


While he's aware of the work still to be done before season kick-off in March, the new Dragons boss has been inspired by the attitudes of his players, both young and old.

"They finished bottom four the last couple of years so there's got to be some changes," he said.


"There'll probably be a couple more roster changes but in general it's fair to say we have underperformed.

"That's been a big focus for the first few weeks but their attitude's been very good, particular some of the older guys in the group like (Tariq) Sims and Norman, and I've been really impressed with the young brigade.

"We've got a really good younger group coming through and everything's been really positive."


https://www.nospam47.com/au/league/...jack-bird-ben-hunt/11r3knoy7b227148tlzy16msze
 

Kylez3

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Gareth67

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Well the cupboard is all but bear now , I can only see crumbs littering the inside of it - wait there’s something waaaay at the back - Russel Packer anyone ?
 

goldiesaintz

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Well the cupboard is all but bear now , I can only see crumbs littering the inside of it - wait there’s something waaaay at the back - Russel Packer anyone ?

G67,

Russel Packer?
I wouldn't take him even if he was fully fit but as we all know, his knees are shot and so are his chances of coming back to the Saints.

We can only hope that the one and only Josh McCrone comes back from overseas and rescues us.
He can play anywhere, halves, forwards, right centre, including my favourite, left right out!
 

getsmarty

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Musgrove knocks back Dragons as Tigers target Nofoaluma next
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Dan Walsh NRL.com Reporter
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Wed 9 Dec 2020, 05:22 PM
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Wests Tigers prop Zane Musgrove has knocked back a lucrative offer from St George Illawarra to re-sign under Michael Maguire for another three seasons.

Musgrove's retention continues a summer of wheeling and dealing at Concord, with David Nofoaluma's retention talks ramping up after a three-year offer was also tabled to the popular flyer.

The club's salary cap is the healthiest it has been during Maguire's tenure, with Brisbane paying a portion of Joe Ofahengaue's 2021 salary, Josh Reynolds moving to Super League and Josh Aloiai being released to Manly. The Tigers also picked up James Roberts for around $150,000 on a one-year deal.

Reynolds's exit has left the joint-venture with significant salary cap space to target a potential marquee player down the line.

But at this stage club officials have indicated to NRL.com that former Dragons captain Gareth Widdop is not on the joint-venture's radar, with an outside back their priority.



https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/12/09/zanes-staying-musgrove-extends-tigers-deal-until-2024/
 

getsmarty

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Bird far from a spent force: Griffin
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FIGHTING FIT: Dragons coach Anthony Griffin is confident Jack Bird (pictured) can re-enter the top echelon of NRL players on his return to his junior club. Picture: Dragons Media
IF you'd told Dragons fans six years ago that Jack Bird would be playing a key role in their club's 2021 campaign, few would've argued. Explain the journey he'd take to that point... well, they might've.

It's been a wild journey, from a premiership and a NSW jumper in just his second season of first grade in 2016, to two ACL tears and just 17 games in three years after an ill-fated switch to Brisbane.

New Dragons coach Anthony Griffin says the myriad of trials and tribulations has led many to forget the Berkeley Eagles product is still just 25 years of age.

"He's still 24-25, I think because he started so young we probably think he's a bit older but he's still a really young man," Griffin said.

"He's going really well, he's got another month or so of rehabilitation and probably [in] mid-January he'll join the main group. Physically he's in really good shape, he's running well, he's jumping out of his skin to join the main group.

"He's had a run of bad luck injury-wise but everything I've seen so far, the way he's moving, where his mind is, he's really gearing up for a big season. I'm looking forward to seeing him next year."

Read more: Griffin hoping third time's the charm as an NRL coach

Griffin isn't the first coach to ponder where to play the multi-skilled utility. Bird has played centre and fullback at top-grade level and is equally adept in the halves.

He also made his way through the Dragons junior ranks in the back row and could come into consideration for the No. 13 jumper given the huge questions that remain over Jack de Belin's future. He's not short on options, but Griffin said returning him to peak fitness is the more immediate concern.

"Wherever he's comfortable initially," Griffin said when asked where he'd play.

"He hasn't played for two years, or he's played half a dozen games, so we'll worry about that when he's fit and ready to play."

Read more: De Belin drama not an issue for Griffin

Bird was singing from the same hymn sheet on Monday, saying he's completely focused on his rehab in an effort to get back on the park for the first time since round nine, 2019.

"It's been really tough but, all that aside, I've been working really hard on my knee and my fitness and just trying to get back to a hundred per cent," he said.

"Hopefully I can get on the field for the Dragons and play a full season. I never got the chance to play first grade when I was a junior so to come back to the club, I'm really looking forward to it.

"I know a few of the boys here and, just being back at home with my family and my mates, I've got a good feeling about the year coming up."

Griffin will need Bird, a player with Origin and premiership-winning experience, to step up following an exodus of experienced forwards Tyson Frizell, James Graham and Korbin Sims.

"I think we've got a pretty good squad here," Bird said.

"We've lost a few key players with Frizz and a few others there but it's a young squad so I'm really looking forward to working with them.

"They didn't go too well last year and I feel like bringing Hook [Griffin] in is going to make a big difference and I really believe that we can make the top eight."

https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/7045335/bird-far-from-a-spent-force-griffin/?cs=3713
 

getsmarty

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NRL players set to cop $20m pay cut over next two years
Christian Nicolussi
December 8, 2020 — 7.45pm
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Rugby league players will sacrifice around $20m in wages in the next two years as the six-month stalemate with the NRL finally draws to a close.

NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo fired off an email to club bosses late on Sunday to inform them negotiations with the Rugby League Players' Association were progressing well and an outcome was expected "in the coming days".

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NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo and RLPA boss Clint Newton.Credit:Getty, Getty

The Herald understands the two parties are more likely to nail down an official agreement by the start of next week. There is no appetite to leave the matter unresolved leading into the Christmas break.

As COVID-19 stripped millions of dollars from the game's bottom line, the players accepted they would need to take a pay cut in the coming years – but exactly how much was a matter for debate with the governing body.

The RLPA initially pushed for just a 2.5 per cent pay cut, after the players spent the last five months of the season on just 52 per cent of their wage. They took a 20 per cent cut across the 12 months.

The NRL proposed a 10 per cent reduction before the RLPA countered with 5 per cent. League Central's last offer was 7.5 per cent before it was reduced again and presented to the union last Friday.

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Origin players had match payments slashed from $30,000 to $10,000 this year.Credit:Getty

Sources close to the negotiations believe the final figure will sit between 6 per cent and 7 per cent. Further meetings will take place this week, but both sides are privately confident there will be a satisfactory outcome to the talks that started way back in the middle of the year.

Clubs have paid players their full wages in November and will do so again in December before all payments will be adjusted accordingly the final ten months of the league season.

The 2021 and 2022 salary cap sits just shy of $10m, and based on 16 clubs over two seasons, players salaries would normally amount to $320m. Should there be a six-percent pay cut, $19m will be ripped from salaries, and just over $22m with a seven-percent dip.

The union are mindful other entitlements under the current collective bargaining agreement have already been impacted, including the retirement and injury and hardship funds.

The Herald also revealed last month Origin players had agreed to pocket $10,000 a game - down from $30,000 - as a show of good faith as negotiations continued. It is expected the Origin and representative payments will be impacted, including those taking part in next year's World Cup.

Any proposal will need to be endorsed by the RLPA board and then given the players' leaders' blessing.

The NRL have already slashed around $50m from their own operating costs.


Once an agreement has been reached, clubs will also be able to plan ahead for 2022 with confidence. Big earners like James Tedesco, who this week signed off on a new three-year, $3.3m deal with the Roosters, will be out of pocket by over $100,000 the next two seasons.

ARL Commission chairman Peter V'Landys made sure playing groups remained at 30 moving forward and not slashed to help offset any financial pain for the players.

The AFL and their union agreed to a 3.5 per cent pay cut for 2021, but team lists were reduced. Abdo told The Australian last month the reduced rosters needed to be factored in when comparing the codes and the respective negotiations with the players' unions.

Speaking on Nine's 100% Footy program earlier this year, V'Landys said: "We're there for all players, not just a few. There is 30 and we will continue it at 30.

"There will be a small reduction in the salary cap. I think our reduction will be the least of any sport. As a boy from Wollongong, I'll be looking after all of them. I take pride in looking after the battler.''

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...-cut-over-next-two-years-20201208-p56lqb.html


This is why our current approach is deemed prudent.
 

Gareth67

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Was talking to Russell a couple of weeks ago, very quiet sort of person.
Said he'll be at the Tigers next season then will head back to NZ to live.

I wonder if he has ever thought that he should had much remained at the Dragons , rather than accept the big dollar’s that were on offer by Cleary . More so after the sod packed his bags and move on to Penrith leaving him and a number of other new recruits hanging like shags on a rock .

I did enjoy watching him play for the Big Red V , as once tackled he would always have very quick play the balls to keep our attack going .

But the best of luck to the man , the move back home will certainly suit him if can manage to pick up another club .
 

blacksafake

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I wonder if he has ever thought that he should had much remained at the Dragons , rather than accept the big dollar’s that were on offer by Cleary . More so after the sod packed his bags and move on to Penrith leaving him and a number of other new recruits hanging like shags on a rock .

I did enjoy watching him play for the Big Red V , as once tackled he would always have very quick play the balls to keep our attack going .

But the best of luck to the man , the move back home will certainly suit him if can manage to pick up another club .
He did say Gareth that he enjoyed the dragons supporters & can’t believe how many there are around the country even where he lives in inner west.
 

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