2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Perth Red]

vlad: we got a better deal
Media: what is it?
Vlad: can’t say
Media: afl can say why can’t you?
Vlad: confidential
Media: so afl aren’t confined by confidentiality but you are?
Vlad: yeh, you’ll just have to trust me
Media: won’t we see it anyway when we see the annual reports?
Vlad: err, anyway afl lie and it’s complicated
Media: so they got a 2 year extension of $473mill a year, what did we get?
Vlad: can’t say buts it’s good, and it’s complicated so you can’t really compare and we got 5 years
Media: but we got more?
Vlad: certainly we did, but you’ll just have to trust me
Media: ok thanks vlad, any chance of some tickets to Randwick?
Vlad: yeh I’ll look after you mate

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Prove that there isn't a confidentiality agreement.
Off ya go .

 

[Perth Red]

Prove that there isn't a confidentiality agreement.
Off ya go .

im sure there is, just another sht part of the contract that wasn’t necessary and makes us look inferior in our relationships with our media partners,

 

[colly]

vlad: we got a better deal
Media: what is it?
Vlad: can’t say
Media: afl can say why can’t you?
Vlad: confidential
Media: so afl aren’t confined by confidentiality but you are?
Vlad: yeh, you’ll just have to trust me
Media: won’t we see it anyway when we see the annual reports?
Vlad: err, anyway afl lie and it’s complicated
Media: so they got a 2 year extension of $473mill a year, what did we get?
Vlad: can’t say buts it’s good, and it’s complicated so you can’t really compare and we got 5 years
Media: but we got more?
Vlad: certainly we did, but you’ll just have to trust me
Media: ok thanks vlad, any chance of some tickets to Randwick?
Vlad: yeh I’ll look after you mate

So what are the CASH amounts the AFL are getting in 2023 and 2024
From Telstra
From Seven
AND
From Foxtel.
Please give us the amounts- what you can't

Please remember this SMH report.
"This extension with Foxtel and Telstra, along with the extension we signed with the Seven Network earlier this year, ensures that we are able to not only rebuild our game but take it to more and more people," McLachlan said.

The deal represents a 25 per cent increase on the revised rights agreement the AFL struck with Foxtel because of the pandemic, but is only slightly higher than the original deal.

"The extension of the rights deal resets the discounts associated with COVID and is financially little changed from the original 2017-22 agreement," a Foxtel spokesman said.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/af...adcast-deal-by-two-years-20201223-p56prx.html

The deal represents a 25 per cent increase on the revised rights agreement the AFL struck with Foxtel because of the pandemic, but is only slightly higher than the original deal.

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

So what are the CASH amounts the AFL are getting in 2023 and 2024
From Telstra
From Seven
AND
From Foxtel.
Please give us the amounts- what you can't

Please remember this SMH report.
"This extension with Foxtel and Telstra, along with the extension we signed with the Seven Network earlier this year, ensures that we are able to not only rebuild our game but take it to more and more people," McLachlan said.

The deal represents a 25 per cent increase on the revised rights agreement the AFL struck with Foxtel because of the pandemic, but is only slightly higher than the original deal.

"The extension of the rights deal resets the discounts associated with COVID and is financially little changed from the original 2017-22 agreement," a Foxtel spokesman said.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/af...adcast-deal-by-two-years-20201223-p56prx.html

The deal represents a 25 per cent increase on the revised rights agreement the AFL struck with Foxtel because of the pandemic, but is only slightly higher than the original deal.

Don't post anything that goes against PRs beliefs
AFL great GIl would never lie
NRL bad PVL terrible

 

[Perth Red]

So what are the CASH amounts the AFL are getting in 2023 and 2024
From Telstra
From Seven
AND
From Foxtel.
Please give us the amounts- what you can't

Please remember this SMH report.
"This extension with Foxtel and Telstra, along with the extension we signed with the Seven Network earlier this year, ensures that we are able to not only rebuild our game but take it to more and more people," McLachlan said.

The deal represents a 25 per cent increase on the revised rights agreement the AFL struck with Foxtel because of the pandemic, but is only slightly higher than the original deal.

"The extension of the rights deal resets the discounts associated with COVID and is financially little changed from the original 2017-22 agreement," a Foxtel spokesman said.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/af...adcast-deal-by-two-years-20201223-p56prx.html

The deal represents a 25 per cent increase on the revised rights agreement the AFL struck with Foxtel because of the pandemic, but is only slightly higher than the original deal.

for the umpteenth time we don’t know the contra amount included. Traditionally it’s 5-8% in most sports tv deals in this country. Yep overall they got an increase, pretty good considering everyone was saying covid would wipe out tv revenue and sports could expect massive decreases. If we get a slight overall increase on our last year of pre covid media revenue of $324.6million (cash) then he will have done a good job. The revenue gap with afl will still be huge but there is little sign we are able to close that gap up to now, in fact it has been increasing for many years. Let’s see if the foxtel deal for the eight years equates to more annually than the previous deal, and importantly what is and isnt in there that might effect the next fta deal.
Sadly we are being kept in the dark.

 

[colly]

More details of the afl deal for for comparison; if we ever learn what our revised deal is
Original deal to end of 22 was for $418mill a year

20-22
seven 20-22 19% reduction on current deal
Approx $121.5mill a year

Fox $30 mill a year reduction
Approx $186mill a year

telstra deal unchanged @$50mill a year

this takes the 20-22 part of the existing deal to around
$357.5mill a year
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-secures-revised-broadcast-deal-20200611-p551nc.html


extension 23&24 $946mill
Total $473mill a year (inc contra) avg per year
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...l/news-story/8d303ac9ec440e2ab3f06f6d0f016d1b

This gives them a total 5 year deal 20-24 of $2.19Billion or an avg of $403.7mill a year (an annual reduction of around 3.5% on the 18-24 deal)


With nrl extending fox to 2027 it once again puts the two comps tv contracts at different negotiating times which could be interesting in years to come.

Just to show how rubbery youy figures are-

More details of the afl deal for for comparison; if we ever learn what our revised deal is
Original deal to end of 22 was for $418mill a year

But we want to know about cash only.
AFL really got media money p/a $383 pa (2.5 billion- 200m contra = $2.3Billion divided by 6 yrs= $383m p/a
There is “around $200m of contra” included in the deal according to AFL CEO Gill McLachlan, who said “the AFL’s challenge is to stay Australia’s game”.
https://mumbrella.com.au/foxtel-and...elstra-tie-up-afl-rights-in-2-5bn-deal-313048
contra 200m or about 33m seven 10m and 23m fox.
I only want to point out the AFL owns budget for 2018 says $391
We want to know what fox payed in the old agreement and a show you a source that says they only got a small increase on the old media deal.
McLachlan said.

The deal represents a 25 per cent increase on the revised rights agreement the AFL struck with Foxtel because of the pandemic, but is only slightly higher than the original deal.

therefor
$2.5B - .2 contra -.3 tesltra- .84 Seven tv = what Foxed payed = $1.16b, over 6 years equals = 193m p/a
So call it a neat small increase to what they signed to/for 200m per year for years 23 and 24. Many have speculated that NRL got a billion over five years which coincidentally equals $200m p/a also.
So again we have tied with the AFL in the Foxtel/fox deal while ours goes on for 3 more years than the AFL.
Since explained elsewhere that Telstra (according to Roy a presser this week) wont contribute separably to the AFL deal as they would be buying it twice.
So all we need to do is beat Sevens deal and the NRL will be on top.

 

[colly]

Just to show how rubbery youy figures are-

Check out Perth Reds own figures-for Seven
Perth Red said: ↑
More details of the afl deal for for comparison; if we ever learn what our revised deal is
Original deal to end of 22 was for $418mill a year

20-22
seven 20-22 19% reduction on current deal
Approx $121.5mill a year



However will will stay with Seven paying $121.5m (above) for years 2020 ,21 and 22 to the end of old deal.
So this bullshit from the age: How can they get average over five years of $147m when it's stated above they (now 2020, 21,22) only will get $121.5m per year. (as part of the coronavirus reduction.)

The AFL will now receive $730 million from Seven over the next five years, an average annual payment of $147 million each year. Seven was expected to pay about $150 million this year, with production costs of about $20 million.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-secures-revised-broadcast-deal-20200611-p551nc.html

So to cap it off i have proved that Foxtel to AFL was $193m (old deal )which they negotiated for years 2023 and 2024 a small increase, which properly means 200m per year.


Sevens figures are all over the shop, they say 121.5m ( your figures Perth Red) then 147m, then they say $730m over five years (2020,21,22,23,24) which equals 147m for each year. However where is the coronavirus reduction of $121.5m for 3 of the 5 years- Lets pretend it never happened. Pathetic!
This is the age/ this is AFL house planting false figures JUST TO TRY TO SHOW THEY GET MORE> Talk about insecure. And i might say your a very willing helper in their charade.

 

[colly]

As I have been saying to deaf Perth Red Telstra would use Kayo which Telstra 40% owns to bring the streaming instead of the 'apps', Telstra live. This just proves that Telstra are not Contributing to the AFL 2 year foxtel agreement, ( was 50m p/a previsouly ) that makes it laughable the absurd claim the AFL says of a $946m contract over the two year extension.
To get the yearly payment divide 946 by 2 = 473 per year.
So
Seven pays 150m per year in the extension, so 150 minus 473 equals foxtel contribution to make the contract 'figures correct. Remember no Telstra dollar contribution.
473- 150 (seven) = Foxtel= $323m per year. How laughable, when we know they got a small increase on the old deal which stood at $193m per year.
"The extension of the rights deal resets the discounts associated with COVID and is financially little changed from the original 2017-22 agreement," a Foxtel spokesman said.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/afl/af...adcast-deal-by-two-years-20201223-p56prx.html

"The deal represents a 25 per cent increase on the revised rights agreement the AFL struck with Foxtel because of the pandemic, but is only slightly higher than the original deal." SMH
By Anthony Colangelo and Zoe Samios
December 23, 2020 — 12.24pm


So a small yearly increase now means $130m increase on the old deal, that is not small.. But thats how the AFL roll, put out fake figures lets the dupes spout that, we get the most- yada yada yada. Their old deal for six years disguised how close the NRL was in the old deals. If our old deal was expressed like the old AFL deal the NRL contract was worth 2.16 billion dollars over six years . ( $1.8b over 5 years) I think this new deal when signed by the NRL for Free to air TV when combined with Foxtel might be the one where we take the lead in the media money stakes.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

So Telstra ain't broadcasting shit with the AFL. Throw out their $100mil, as its not relevant to broadcasting, and all of sudden the massive gap in deals they've been preaching doesn't exist.
I'll give it to Gillian, he had me fooled intially. But I forgot AFL house is Goebbels level of propoganda.

On a side note. That sponsorship deal with Telstra is absolutely loaded with non cash elements. SHit like this,

Telstra technology and connectivity will be deployed at Marvel over the next few years including fixed and 4G/5G networks upgrades, Artificial Intelligence, and mixed reality and edge computing. From booking a seat to parking to engaging with the game, attendees will soon be able to experience a new stadium experience before, during, and after they attend the game.

Yea Telstras forking out millions to the AFL for all that lol

 

[Perth Red]

Not sure where you are both getting that Telstra have no streaming rights in the new afl deal? They are going to be streaming Kayo on their Telstra network for a discounted price. They are paying someone for that.

 

[colly]

Not sure where you are both getting that Telstra have no streaming rights in the new afl deal? They are going to be streaming Kayo on their Telstra network for a discounted price. They are paying someone for that.

I didn't know the 'telstra network' was the internet- I have to update my thinking regarding telstra.
As for paying 'someone for that' it's been pointed out to you numerous times Foxtel/Kayo is 40% owned by Telstra. So yes they pay as part of Foxtel contract agreements BUT thats all, no more cherry on top for the AFL ie 50m per year in the new contract. So it's good news for NRL as Telstra gave favoritism ( being Melbourne based ) to the AFL now they don't. No more direct and separate cash payments to the AFL.
So goodby Telstra live stream as it becomes just a old replay service- ha ha.

 

[Chief_Chujo]

Kayo is only discounted for people who used live pass before December, before the new deal was signed. New users wont get anymore discount than the usual Telstra/Fox offers.

So according to the AFL, Telstra are not only paying double to broadcast nothing but have also given up the 21/22 streaming rights that they had. Oh but there putting 5G and the latest tech buzzwords into Marvel so its all legit

 

[colly]

Kayo is only discounted for people who used live pass before December, before the new deal was signed. New users wont get anymore discount than the usual Telstra/Fox offers.

So according to the AFL, Telstra are not only paying double to broadcast nothing but have also given up the 21/22 streaming rights that they had. Oh but there putting 5G and the latest tech buzzwords into Marvel so its all legit

I could not put better. 10,000 likes upvotes.

 

[Desert Qlder]

Saint, Sinner, Shoosh: NRL eyes new TV partner

SAINT, SINNER, SHOOSH: Channel 9’s broadcast deal is up at the end of next season and the NRL has eyes on a new free-to-air partner.

The NRL is about to enter talks with free-to-air networks to chase a new TV deal that may not involve Channel 9 but could deliver the game a $750 million windfall from the end of next season.

Nine negotiated a cut-price broadcast deal midway through last season at the height of the COVID pandemic when there was concern about the viability of media companies and the future of all sporting rights around the world.

Nine’s deal is up at the end of next season and the NRL can’t just sit back and wait. They have locked in a seven-year agreement with Fox Sports but need certainty around a free-to-air arrangement for three weekly games, the grand final and the showpiece State of Origin series.

The NRL needs a free-to-air partner who is keen to support the code. Picture: Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images

Nine is in a senior management transition stage with chief executive Hugh Marks standing down and the board still interviewing several candidates to replace him.

The network had a rich history in cricket broadcasting but pulled the pin two years ago. There are fears they could so the same with rugby league to save money.

Channel 9 has acquired all rugby union rights for Stan, its subscription streaming service, and is heavily promoting its launch during the Australian Open.

They are becoming known as a rah-rah, netball and tennis network rather than for the major sports.

Channel 9 appears to be taking a ‘niche sport’ focus and are failing to promote the NRL.

The NRL is closely monitoring Channel 7’s legal stoush with Cricket Australia.

The court verdict on Seven’s bid to dump cricket will determine their buying power for rugby league.

In these days of multiple channel free-to-air broadcasting, Seven has the capabilities to cover both league and AFL during winter months and completely dominate all markets.

Channel 10 was rumoured last year to be interested.

Although Nine has a contract for two more seasons, there is no legal issue with the NRL going into the market and fast-tracking talks to find a new partner from 2023 and beyond.

Both ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys and CEO Andrew Abdo declined to comment because of sensitivity around the Channel 9 relationship.

https://www.couriermail.com.au/spor...h/news-story/b3018b83e4e96560b4000851659ae76a

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I hope Ch10 get it and ask for 2 new teams to televise a 4th FTA game.

 

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

Much ado about Nothing

 

[Perth Red]

You'd think they will want to be signing the FTA deal by end of this season. I cant see Ch9 losing it but we can but live in hope! We should have annual report out in next two-three weeks and we will get to see how much of a raping we got from our media "partners" for 2020!

 

[Rugged Rigid Robust Roy]

Maybe they carve it up and give the Premiership to one channel and SOO to another and Internationals to another.

 

[Perth Red]

I hope Ch10 get it and ask for 2 new teams to televise a 4th FTA game.

FTA wont want to pay more that it has to. It will be happy with the three games a week on offer and wont want to pay an extra $40-50mill ish it would cost for a 4th game. Especially as the option to buy and resell the Saturday night game is gone. It would be interesting to know if there is a clause in the Fox deal for a ninth game either way, ideally we would see a Saturday night FTA game as the ninth game but I suspect Fox has locked out the option in the extension. we know how valuable the exclusive Saturday line up is to them. It could have been a 6pm Fox game but as that isn't in the extension deal it wont happen for at least 7 years I suspect. Best outcome would be to bring in Brisbane 2 in 2023 and WC Pirates in 2025 and either sell the ninth game as a stand alone to highest bidder in 2025 or use it to launch an NRL streaming service. Sadly the Fox deal has probably excluded such possibilities.