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New recruits for 2023

possm

Coach
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Well if this is the way it’s heading let’s sign Tommy Turbos missus 🤪
If Ramsey is out for good and Sloan does not step up to the mark in his absence, I'd make a big play for Tom Turbo. He is a match winner and we have the halfback and centers to feed him the ball he needs to do the job. Given we have not spent anything like the money needed to upgrade our squad and given that we have not been able to secure any top-grade forwards, I guess the only answer would be to secure a match-winning fullback like Tom Turbo.
 

Inisai Toga

Juniors
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There have been a lot of negative posts from members about our squad, myself included. but to be fair let's take a look at a positive.

Turn your minds back to round 17 in 2022 when the Dragons notched up a 30-nil lead in the first half against South Sydney, a grand finalist in the previous season.

A fantastic display of what our players are capable of!

In this match, we had Ransey at fullback, Bird on the left edge, De Belin at prop, and wait for it, Sims at lock. What a different style of play the team showed us!

So look ahead to this season and what has changed. Yes, we let go of Sims who did not want to leave and replaced him with Ben Murdoch-Masila, now was that the right move or not? Only time will tell. But Sims, Ramsey, Matt Feagai, Sulie, Hunt, Amone, Lomax, Ravalawa, and Bird all had blinders. In fact, after seeing that performance, I'd be reluctant to move any of these players on.

The problem is that this performance was not repeated all season and so this is why I have been so vocal about moving hook on now and bringing in an experienced coach like Hasler. I doubt that a rooky coach like Dean Young could bring out the best in these players.
Agree with your reference to the Souths game here; never bought into that ‘they didn’t show up’ crap. In regards to Simms, it wasn’t so much he didn’t want to leave it was more a case of Saints weren’t willing to meet his offer and I think they were right!
 

steerlerbab

Juniors
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202
There have been a lot of negative posts from members about our squad, myself included. but to be fair let's take a look at a positive.

Turn your minds back to round 17 in 2022 when the Dragons notched up a 30-nil lead in the first half against South Sydney, a grand finalist in the previous season.

A fantastic display of what our players are capable of!

In this match, we had Ransey at fullback, Bird on the left edge, De Belin at prop, and wait for it, Sims at lock. What a different style of play the team showed us!

So look ahead to this season and what has changed. Yes, we let go of Sims who did not want to leave and replaced him with Ben Murdoch-Masila, now was that the right move or not? Only time will tell. But Sims, Ramsey, Matt Feagai, Sulie, Hunt, Amone, Lomax, Ravalawa, and Bird all had blinders. In fact, after seeing that performance, I'd be reluctant to move any of these players on.

The problem is that this performance was not repeated all season and so this is why I have been so vocal about moving hook on now and bringing in an experienced coach like Hasler. I doubt that a rooky coach like Dean Young could bring out the best in these players.
Likewise I think we have the team to make it to top 8 and we have 3 positions that need to be filled (maybe by juniors at this stage). Last year towards the end the team was coming good. If we did not lose the raiders game by 2 points when we were the better team, we could have made it. Anyway, that is past. If we can make it to top 8 this year, then we have turned the corner and marquee players and coaches will sign. Hook is type of a coach that can build a team and take it to top 8 (he is done it with Broncs and Penrith) but he is not going to get the team to grand final. All we need this year is for Hook to get the team to top 8 and even if we make it to second week, he has his job done. Once that is achieved, marquee players and marquee coaches will be interested in joining for 2024 or 2025.
 

Lethal25

Juniors
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Likewise I think we have the team to make it to top 8 and we have 3 positions that need to be filled (maybe by juniors at this stage). Last year towards the end the team was coming good. If we did not lose the raiders game by 2 points when we were the better team, we could have made it. Anyway, that is past. If we can make it to top 8 this year, then we have turned the corner and marquee players and coaches will sign. Hook is type of a coach that can build a team and take it to top 8 (he is done it with Broncs and Penrith) but he is not going to get the team to grand final. All we need this year is for Hook to get the team to top 8 and even if we make it to second week, he has his job done. Once that is achieved, marquee players and marquee coaches will be interested in joining for 2024 or 2025.
To be fair last year flattered us enormously. We played the bottom two teams twice and were lucky to record wins in those games, we got the broncos last round when they were imploding. And as for the raiders we got out of jail in an earlier round against them. We are as a club not tracking north, our recruitment has been possibly the worst of any club over the past few seasons. Our touted juniors have not at this stage taken the nrl by storm, we have another player stood down. His replacement now injured as well. We allowed Woods to play enough games to trigger a new contract which defies belief.

There is nothing to indicate at this point the club is on the improve
 

Draginzaaar

Bench
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If Ramsey is out for good and Sloan does not step up to the mark in his absence, I'd make a big play for Tom Turbo. He is a match winner and we have the halfback and centers to feed him the ball he needs to do the job. Given we have not spent anything like the money needed to upgrade our squad and given that we have not been able to secure any top-grade forwards, I guess the only answer would be to secure a match-winning fullback like Tom Turbo.
Yeah, as if Manly would let him go.
 

steerlerbab

Juniors
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202
To be fair last year flattered us enormously. We played the bottom two teams twice and were lucky to record wins in those games, we got the broncos last round when they were imploding. And as for the raiders we got out of jail in an earlier round against them. We are as a club not tracking north, our recruitment has been possibly the worst of any club over the past few seasons. Our touted juniors have not at this stage taken the nrl by storm, we have another player stood down. His replacement now injured as well. We allowed Woods to play enough games to trigger a new contract which defies belief.

There is nothing to indicate at this point the club is on the improve
After 6/8/2022 we lost to Sharks (24-18) and raidres (24-22) the two teams that made to top 8 and made it to second round in finals. In both games, the bounce of the ball went against us and we lost narrowly.
To be fair last year flattered us enormously. We played the bottom two teams twice and were lucky to record wins in those games, we got the broncos last round when they were imploding. And as for the raiders we got out of jail in an earlier round against them. We are as a club not tracking north, our recruitment has been possibly the worst of any club over the past few seasons. Our touted juniors have not at this stage taken the nrl by storm, we have another player stood down. His replacement now injured as well. We allowed Woods to play enough games to trigger a new contract which defies belief.

There is nothing to indicate at this point the club is on the improve
After 6/8/2022 we lost to sharks (24-18) and raiders (24-22) and both teams made
final 8. In both games the bounce of the ball went against us and we lost narrowly.
We won against broncs (22-12) where broncs season was on the line.
So I still think we were coming good towards the end of last year. That is past anyway. I reckon if we take that form
to next year, we can make it to top 8.
 

Parko1310

Juniors
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The reports that souths are after Dom Young got me thinking about our own wingers and whether we should make a play, to which I thought "no we need to invest in our forwards more", which we do. But then I thought about it again and thought we do still need to invest in our backs, especially given the uncertainty around Ramsey.

I really like Young as a player and he's off contract at the end of 2023. He's been in contact with Souths and also up in queensland talking to clubs, so a move for him is definitely on the cards. Massive season with Newcastle last year and will probably only get better from here on out. The man is a genetic freak, about 2 metres tall, 107kg, and yet still very quick and athletic.

For mine, as unpopular as it might be, I think Young would be ideal for our team at the expense of Ravalawa. Reason being, I think he possesses what Ravalawa has in size and strength which will help us coming out of our own end in the same way, but also possesses what Ravalawa lacks. Young has speed to burn, is very tall which adds another aerial threat, is 4 years younger than Rava and is still also good at finishing in the corner. He's quite athletic and can dive well for the corner in tight scenarios. Ravalawa's injuries have held him back and I think it's a risk to rely on him so heavily given this, especially considering how bad his recent hamstring issues have been. I think Mat Feagai has also been exceptional and is progressing really well, I wouldn't even consider dropping him. I think we need to be a bit more ruthless, just like the best teams are. Rava is so loveable and a fan favourite, but does that make him the best option on the wing? Perhaps there are better options and you've got to go after them, especially when that better option is probably going to command a pretty similar price.

The other reason I think this is a really good signing for us is that our wing depth is deceptively thin. Max Fegai in my opinion is an out and out centre, who has been touted as a possible replacement on the wing if injuries hit. Sure, he can play there, but I think his body shape doesn't really suit the wing and he's 100% a centre. Tautau Moga I think is the same. So without Ramsey, we essentially do not have more than two wingers in the squad, and one of them prefers playing centre anyway. Then there's Lobb, but he probably isn't ready for week to week NRL, which could potentially be what is demanded of one of our back ups in the case of a serious injury. In an ideal world, I'd love to re-sign Rava and sign up Dom Young. Rava would be a fantastic back up winger option in this scenario, someone ready made to step in and do a more than decent job. Obviously, this might not be possible given Rava is free to leave at the end of the year, but imagine having Feagai, Young and Rava all competing for wing spots in 2024, with Lobb having only improved with another pre season under his belt (and possibly a little NRL experience from 2023?) If Rava can't be re-signed as well, don't forget about Ramsey (hope he's doing well and will be fit and firing by that time).

Anyway, I feel like Young adds another dimension to our team that we don't have being speed out wide. He's just about as good at bringing the ball out of his own end as well despite being four years younger. Also adds another threat in the air and is a good finisher. Would also be good for succession planning in my opinion. Maybe once the end of 2024 comes around, we don't want to re-sign Suli for example because he's too expensive (the reported figure we got him for was way overs), so then maybe you move Mat Feagai to his preferred centre position having gained a few years experience in first grade on the wing and bring Lobb in on the left flank. Or, maybe you opt to leave Mat on the wing and bring Max into the vacant centre spot. Options aplenty, and saves you heaps of money to then invest further in forwards or upgrading juniors who may have impressed tremendously by that time.

I accept this is extremely unlikely, but would love it to happen.
 

possm

Coach
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The reports that souths are after Dom Young got me thinking about our own wingers and whether we should make a play, to which I thought "no we need to invest in our forwards more", which we do. But then I thought about it again and thought we do still need to invest in our backs, especially given the uncertainty around Ramsey.

I really like Young as a player and he's off contract at the end of 2023. He's been in contact with Souths and also up in queensland talking to clubs, so a move for him is definitely on the cards. Massive season with Newcastle last year and will probably only get better from here on out. The man is a genetic freak, about 2 metres tall, 107kg, and yet still very quick and athletic.

For mine, as unpopular as it might be, I think Young would be ideal for our team at the expense of Ravalawa. Reason being, I think he possesses what Ravalawa has in size and strength which will help us coming out of our own end in the same way, but also possesses what Ravalawa lacks. Young has speed to burn, is very tall which adds another aerial threat, is 4 years younger than Rava and is still also good at finishing in the corner. He's quite athletic and can dive well for the corner in tight scenarios. Ravalawa's injuries have held him back and I think it's a risk to rely on him so heavily given this, especially considering how bad his recent hamstring issues have been. I think Mat Feagai has also been exceptional and is progressing really well, I wouldn't even consider dropping him. I think we need to be a bit more ruthless, just like the best teams are. Rava is so loveable and a fan favourite, but does that make him the best option on the wing? Perhaps there are better options and you've got to go after them, especially when that better option is probably going to command a pretty similar price.

The other reason I think this is a really good signing for us is that our wing depth is deceptively thin. Max Fegai in my opinion is an out and out centre, who has been touted as a possible replacement on the wing if injuries hit. Sure, he can play there, but I think his body shape doesn't really suit the wing and he's 100% a centre. Tautau Moga I think is the same. So without Ramsey, we essentially do not have more than two wingers in the squad, and one of them prefers playing centre anyway. Then there's Lobb, but he probably isn't ready for week to week NRL, which could potentially be what is demanded of one of our back ups in the case of a serious injury. In an ideal world, I'd love to re-sign Rava and sign up Dom Young. Rava would be a fantastic back up winger option in this scenario, someone ready made to step in and do a more than decent job. Obviously, this might not be possible given Rava is free to leave at the end of the year, but imagine having Feagai, Young and Rava all competing for wing spots in 2024, with Lobb having only improved with another pre season under his belt (and possibly a little NRL experience from 2023?) If Rava can't be re-signed as well, don't forget about Ramsey (hope he's doing well and will be fit and firing by that time).

Anyway, I feel like Young adds another dimension to our team that we don't have being speed out wide. He's just about as good at bringing the ball out of his own end as well despite being four years younger. Also adds another threat in the air and is a good finisher. Would also be good for succession planning in my opinion. Maybe once the end of 2024 comes around, we don't want to re-sign Suli for example because he's too expensive (the reported figure we got him for was way overs), so then maybe you move Mat Feagai to his preferred centre position having gained a few years experience in first grade on the wing and bring Lobb in on the left flank. Or, maybe you opt to leave Mat on the wing and bring Max into the vacant centre spot. Options aplenty, and saves you heaps of money to then invest further in forwards or upgrading juniors who may have impressed tremendously by that time.

I accept this is extremely unlikely, but would love it to happen.
if we waited until after the salary cap announcement or negotiated a deal with a top-line prop prior to the information instead of signing the Tiger's rejects. We might have been in a much better position with our pack of forwards right now.
 

BLM01

First Grade
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I wonder if the Dragons are looking at these 2 players. They fit the requirements of being cheap and from a bottom club, but they are forwards.
No thankyou. Damaged or poor quality goods.
If they cut just like that from a crap team obviously have not trained to well in the off season
 

BLM01

First Grade
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Tapau gone for one year contract. This would have been perfect for us. This really makes it look that we are not active at all in the market and will go down the cheap route of promoting the train & trial guys. Can’t see any evidence that we have a couple of good players just waiting for the announcement.
Unfortunately big Marty will be a waste of good money which he was demanding.
He had done nothing for the past few years except probably continue to lift big weights
I get your point about younger up and comers but on the same token we got enough older heads at the end of the career with "experience"
We do need 1st grade forward depth but I'd still target some fringe (NRL middle aged) like that Fijian from melbourne Kama etc
 

possm

Coach
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Unfortunately big Marty will be a waste of good money which he was demanding.
He had done nothing for the past few years except probably continue to lift big weights
I get your point about younger up and comers but on the same token we got enough older heads at the end of the career with "experience"
We do need 1st grade forward depth but I'd still target some fringe (NRL middle aged) like that Fijian from melbourne Kama etc
Unfortunately our club seems to always do it back the front. We already have depth in the forwards. What we really need it 3 top-line forwards;
2 x props
1 x left edge forward

And now that Amone has been stood down, and Sullivan out with a hamstring injury again, we will need a 6 or 7.
 

Parko1310

Juniors
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if we waited until after the salary cap announcement or negotiated a deal with a top-line prop prior to the information instead of signing the Tiger's rejects. We might have been in a much better position with our pack of forwards right now.
Barely anyone was available, we even reportedly asked managers to reach out if they had a front rower who might want a move. You can't just get a top line prop because you want one. We can however, do something for 2024 and beyond. Spencer Leniu and Luke Thompson are two options to go after. Thompson would have to come at the right price obviously for what he puts in. If you can land those two, maybe you save some money in 2024 in the back row as the quality of the rest of your forwards would allow you to bring a junior into the team there.

We then need to fill another gap or two and I think we've got a really decent side in 2024 that should make finals. You continue building from there to take the next step to an elite side. What could the rest of recruitment look like for 2024? Mbye is on 450k (reportedly). Let him go, and bring Kurt Mann back. Sell him the idea that every other club sees him as a "classic 14", but here at the Dragons you are going to be an out and out lock to come on when Jack Bird is tired or drifting out of the game as we know Bird is prone to fluctuating throughout games in terms of his positive contribution. Mann will only be used as a utility if injury in the backs does unfortunately strike in the midst of a game, but the plan should be to give him a defined role as a lock in this team, not just a "mr fix it". Then ideally (for me anyway) you also sign Dom Young, giving you a point of difference we haven't had previously out wide. Thompson being English and him knowing Kurt Mann from the Knights can be an extra sweetner for him to come down to the Gong as it'd be pretty daunting for him to come having only made a big move from Huddersfield a couple of years prior. This would just make him more comfortable. Thompson can find comfort in knowing Young from the world cup. Mann already has connections at the Dragons from his time here. Leniu knows Feagai and Su'a from the world cup.

Make some tough choices and let Burns or Fui, Kerr, Lawrie (unless he's not commanding too much), Mbye, Moga and Woods walk. Re-sign Liddle for now and put off finding a new hooker for another year. Then assess if it's really necessary to do so anyway given our juniors, as bringing in an outside hooker may be too expensive for 2024 with this recruitment drive. Promote Muhleisson/Finau to a bench hooker spot. Maybe in 2025's recruitment we can save more money and invest elsewhere by pulling the trigger on the heavily talked about Hunt to hooker, and go for someone like Toby Sexton who isn't getting a crack at the Titans to partner Bud in the halves and plan for the future with another talented young half. It just shows theres so many options, but we need to move quickly and act ruthless for mine.
 

Mojo

Bench
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The reports that souths are after Dom Young got me thinking about our own wingers and whether we should make a play, to which I thought "no we need to invest in our forwards more", which we do. But then I thought about it again and thought we do still need to invest in our backs, especially given the uncertainty around Ramsey.

I really like Young as a player and he's off contract at the end of 2023. He's been in contact with Souths and also up in queensland talking to clubs, so a move for him is definitely on the cards. Massive season with Newcastle last year and will probably only get better from here on out. The man is a genetic freak, about 2 metres tall, 107kg, and yet still very quick and athletic.

For mine, as unpopular as it might be, I think Young would be ideal for our team at the expense of Ravalawa. Reason being, I think he possesses what Ravalawa has in size and strength which will help us coming out of our own end in the same way, but also possesses what Ravalawa lacks. Young has speed to burn, is very tall which adds another aerial threat, is 4 years younger than Rava and is still also good at finishing in the corner. He's quite athletic and can dive well for the corner in tight scenarios. Ravalawa's injuries have held him back and I think it's a risk to rely on him so heavily given this, especially considering how bad his recent hamstring issues have been. I think Mat Feagai has also been exceptional and is progressing really well, I wouldn't even consider dropping him. I think we need to be a bit more ruthless, just like the best teams are. Rava is so loveable and a fan favourite, but does that make him the best option on the wing? Perhaps there are better options and you've got to go after them, especially when that better option is probably going to command a pretty similar price.

The other reason I think this is a really good signing for us is that our wing depth is deceptively thin. Max Fegai in my opinion is an out and out centre, who has been touted as a possible replacement on the wing if injuries hit. Sure, he can play there, but I think his body shape doesn't really suit the wing and he's 100% a centre. Tautau Moga I think is the same. So without Ramsey, we essentially do not have more than two wingers in the squad, and one of them prefers playing centre anyway. Then there's Lobb, but he probably isn't ready for week to week NRL, which could potentially be what is demanded of one of our back ups in the case of a serious injury. In an ideal world, I'd love to re-sign Rava and sign up Dom Young. Rava would be a fantastic back up winger option in this scenario, someone ready made to step in and do a more than decent job. Obviously, this might not be possible given Rava is free to leave at the end of the year, but imagine having Feagai, Young and Rava all competing for wing spots in 2024, with Lobb having only improved with another pre season under his belt (and possibly a little NRL experience from 2023?) If Rava can't be re-signed as well, don't forget about Ramsey (hope he's doing well and will be fit and firing by that time).

Anyway, I feel like Young adds another dimension to our team that we don't have being speed out wide. He's just about as good at bringing the ball out of his own end as well despite being four years younger. Also adds another threat in the air and is a good finisher. Would also be good for succession planning in my opinion. Maybe once the end of 2024 comes around, we don't want to re-sign Suli for example because he's too expensive (the reported figure we got him for was way overs), so then maybe you move Mat Feagai to his preferred centre position having gained a few years experience in first grade on the wing and bring Lobb in on the left flank. Or, maybe you opt to leave Mat on the wing and bring Max into the vacant centre spot. Options aplenty, and saves you heaps of money to then invest further in forwards or upgrading juniors who may have impressed tremendously by that time.

I accept this is extremely unlikely, but would love it to ha
Careful mentioning another Young. Possm will have kittens.
Apparently Angus Young is lined-up to be our fitness coach, Neil Young is taking over recruitment and John Paul Young is a certainty for Chairman.
 
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BLM01

First Grade
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Unfortunately our club seems to always do it back the front. We already have depth in the forwards. What we really need it 3 top-line forwards;
2 x props
1 x left edge forward

And now that Amone has been stood down, and Sullivan out with a hamstring injury again, we will need a 6 or 7.
WE have a 6 & 7. Sullivan is not out for eternity
 

redandwhite4evr

Juniors
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But he is injury prone, and, if you're of the view that Mbye isn't first grade starting standard anything (as I am), then maybe we should be looking at a Blake Taaffe type of player (someone who can cover the halves and provide competition for Sloan in case he struggles again at full-back). I concede that finding someone now may not be easy but there's always a scandal at the Broncos you can rely on!
 
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