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South Island Kea

ash the bash

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Hi All,

Think this is worth a thread of its own.

I'm proud to say me and few posters on here called it before hand :) Such good branding it was obvious.

- Green, orange, brown brilliant colour scheme nothing else similar being used.
- Experienced sport admin people involved, Marions will be going hard after he left ARU.
- A few games played around South Island, Dunedin Queenstown etc..
- Great for the South Island economy just like Vegas you will attract the corp crowd. Have a wine and golf tour with game in-between. Imagine having a home game in Queenstown, the number of Aussie's you would get flying over for the game. Not to mention Christchurch is a lovely city too.

Im on board i'm a diehard Souths supporter and member and will always be but will be getting a membership as soon as I can for this team, as I love South Island and Rugba League :)
 

flippikat

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Hi All,

Think this is worth a thread of its own.

I'm proud to say me and few posters on here called it before hand :) Such good branding it was obvious.

- Green, orange, brown brilliant colour scheme nothing else similar being used.
- Experienced sport admin people involved, Marions will be going hard after he left ARU.
- A few games played around South Island, Dunedin Queenstown etc..
- Great for the South Island economy just like Vegas you will attract the corp crowd. Have a wine and golf tour with game in-between. Imagine having a home game in Queenstown, the number of Aussie's you would get flying over for the game. Not to mention Christchurch is a lovely city too.

Im on board i'm a diehard Souths supporter and member and will always be but will be getting a membership as soon as I can for this team, as I love South Island and Rugba League :)
I'm really torn by this bid.

As a Wellington NRL fan, I've followed the Warriors since '95 - getting on board with our sole NZ team.. but the Kea branding & colours are really good.

The "South Island" part is probably the only sticking point I see here - maybe they could eventually do a "Dolphins" and just be the Kea.. or use something like "Aotearoa Kea" that's New Zealand but in Maori?

The thing is, do they want to limit themselves to appealing to the South Island only (population about 1.2 Million) or open the door to lower North Island fans too?
 

Bukowski

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I'm really torn by this bid.

As a Wellington NRL fan, I've followed the Warriors since '95 - getting on board with our sole NZ team.. but the Kea branding & colours are really good.

The "South Island" part is probably the only sticking point I see here - maybe they could eventually do a "Dolphins" and just be the Kea.. or use something like "Aotearoa Kea" that's New Zealand but in Maori?

The thing is, do they want to limit themselves to appealing to the South Island only (population about 1.2 Million) or open the door to lower North Island fans too?
Would naming it south Island help grow the rivalry with the warriors? Nth v sth type thing?
 

final say

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I'm really torn by this bid.

As a Wellington NRL fan, I've followed the Warriors since '95 - getting on board with our sole NZ team.. but the Kea branding & colours are really good.

The "South Island" part is probably the only sticking point I see here - maybe they could eventually do a "Dolphins" and just be the Kea.. or use something like "Aotearoa Kea" that's New Zealand but in Maori?

The thing is, do they want to limit themselves to appealing to the South Island only (population about 1.2 Million) or open the door to lower North Island fans too?
I think they could be"
"New Zealand Mana"
Playing out of Christchurch with 2 games in Dunedin and 1 in Wellington.
People in Auckland could even follow them.. this will split the country down the middle! One country divided into 2 teams.. you're either a Mana or Warrior
 

flippikat

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Would naming it south Island help grow the rivalry with the warriors? Nth v sth type thing?
North Island v South Island is a lopsided rivalry when you consider population (and potential fans/juniors to draw on).

South Island branding could prove to be limiting to them. Surely they'd want to pick up a few fans from the North Island outside of Auckland - especially lower-NI?
 

Perth Red

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I'm really torn by this bid.

As a Wellington NRL fan, I've followed the Warriors since '95 - getting on board with our sole NZ team.. but the Kea branding & colours are really good.

The "South Island" part is probably the only sticking point I see here - maybe they could eventually do a "Dolphins" and just be the Kea.. or use something like "Aotearoa Kea" that's New Zealand but in Maori?

The thing is, do they want to limit themselves to appealing to the South Island only (population about 1.2 Million) or open the door to lower North Island fans too?
I hope they go South island, leaving the door ajar for Wellington as club 21/22.
 

Bukowski

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North Island v South Island is a lopsided rivalry when you consider population (and potential fans/juniors to draw on).

South Island branding could prove to be limiting to them. Surely they'd want to pick up a few fans from the North Island outside of Auckland - especially lower-NI?
Yeah I just had a look at the populations, quite a difference. It's an interesting bid.
 

ash the bash

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I hope they go South island, leaving the door ajar for Wellington as club 21/22.
I tend to agree too.

If all the talk is of a future 2 conference league, ultimately they would be looking at 24 teams of two 12 team conferences. Top six finals ? In that scenario you would want to have 3 Kiwi teams covering economic and population bases of Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. So I don't mind the Kea going with all South Island branding, at least it will be more tribal than trying to appeal to everyone.

18. Perth Jets
19. South Island Kea
20. PNG Hunters

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21. Sunshine Coast Falcons
22. Wellington Orcas
23. Adelaide Rams
24. Melbourne 2
 
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I tend to agree too.

If all the talk is of a future 2 conference league, ultimately they would be looking at 24 teams of two 12 team conferences. Top six finals ? In that scenario you would want to have 3 Kiwi teams covering economic and population bases of Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. So I don't mind the Kea going with all South Island branding, at least it will be more tribal than trying to appeal to everyone.

18. Perth Jets
19. South Island Kea
20. PNG Hunters

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21. Sunshine Coast Falcons
22. Wellington Orcas
23. Adelaide Rams
24. Melbourne 2
We`re not going to keep a wealthy club like Easts Brisbane out for long, nor should we want to, so where are they going to fit in.
 

Perth Red

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Is this an official bid? I hope so but I must’ve missed it.
Its come out of the blue, sounds like he talked to the SI bid and didn't get what he wanted so has set up his own bid team. Its all very reminiscent of 2011-2013 tbh.
Sounds like the financial model at the moment is as sketchy as the other SI bid.
I wonder if they caught wind of what he was doing and hence the rushed Vegas non announcement? I know we did the same back in the day when they got wind of Sage's bid intention so rushed out the WC Pirates launch.
 

jim_57

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Is this an official bid? I hope so but I must’ve missed it.

Link (paywall)
A rival contender for a mooted South Island franchise in Australia’s National Rugby League has emerged, headed by former New Zealand Rugby and NRL chief executive David Moffett.

North Canterbury-based Moffett wants the “South Island Kea” to play out of Christchurch’s new Te Kaha Stadium and is targeting a 2028 debut when the NRL is tipped to expand to 18 teams.

The experienced administrator’s bid is a rival to the previously announced Christchurch-based consortium led by former Canterbury Rugby League chair Tony Kidd which has been lobbying NRL officials for admission to the competition. Sports Insider understands Moffett was approached to be involved in the original consortium. He would not explain why he rebuffed those overtures but told this column he was confident of securing a coveted expansion license.

“I have a completely different model to what has been proposed to date and I believe it will intrigue the NRL,” he said, in also revealing key details of his bid for the first time to Sports Insider.

“We are proposing a co-operative model that will allow fans to invest and own a portion of the franchise.”

Moffett confirmed that if successful, the Kea would also include a women’s franchise competing in the NRLW competition and that a handful of home matches would be played at other South Island venues including Dunedin’s Forsyth Barr Stadium.

The NRL is planning to add an 18th men’s franchise by 2028 with two further teams to be added two years later when it is likely that the competition will be split into two 10-team conferences ahead of the finals series.

A Papua-New Guinea franchise, bankrolled by the Australian Government to ward off Chinese ambition in the country, is heavily favoured to secure the 18th licence which will leave Perth, the North Sydney Bears and now two South Island bids chasing the other two.

Moffett’s track record in both rugby union and league will ensure his bid secures the attention of NRL powerbrokers Peter V’Landys and Andrew Abdo. He has been the head of Sport England, New Zealand Rugby, the Welsh Rugby Union, NSW Rugby and the NRL. He was also the first CEO of Southern Hemisphere rugby alliance Sanzar featuring the NZ, South African and Australian unions.

During his time at the NRL in the late 1990s and early 2000s, he was instrumental in ensuring the Warriors franchise did not disappear. Influential Sydney league identities were pushing for the Warriors to be dumped from the competition during the messy transition of ownership from the Waikato-based Tainui iwi to now disgraced Kiwi businessman Eric Watson. Moffett resisted those overtures and made sure the Warriors survived.

He told Sports Insider his heart remains close to rugby league despite winding back his sports administration career to concentrate on other business interests in rural Canterbury.

“I was involved with [former Kiwi coach] Frank Endacott in considering a bid in 2012, however, there was no appetite within the NRL for a bid from the South Island at that time,” he said.

“I have always believed that Christchurch was the best city for an expansion team in the NRL and recent announcements by Peter V’Landys have confirmed that the NRL is now serious about receiving a bid from Christchurch.

“Under his astute leadership Peter has transformed the NRL into a powerhouse of Australian sport.

“The recent sell-out for the Warriors v Tigers match in Christchurch was a further indication that there is a lot of interest in teams playing in the best rugby league competition in the world.”

Aussie player in Kea team

Former Rugby Australia chief executive Andy Marinos is also involved in the NRL Kea bid.

Moffett said Marinos will be “our man on the ground in Australia supporting us”. Zimbabwe-born Marinos has played rugby and league professionally (the latter with the Sydney Bulldogs in the mid-1990s and until last year was CEO of Rugby Australia). He left abruptly after falling out with then-chair Hamish McLennan after the boardroom boss sacked Kiwi Dave Rennie as Wallabies coach and replaced him with Eddie Jones for the World Cup against Marinos’ wishes.

Moffett said he is working to bring other prominent personalities onboard with potential announcements in coming weeks.

‘Fans will own the team’

Another key advisor to the team is Roz Henry, formerly the CEO of Co-Operative Business New Zealand, who is working with Moffett on the team’s business model which is based off 10,000 to 15,000 home crowds. Henry is an expert in co-ops and Moffett intends an intriguing fan-based ownership concept.

“One of the major differences that we will bring is the ownership structure,” Moffett said. “We’re investigating a form of fan ownership which will ensure fans can have skin in the game.

“We will be offering fans an opportunity to own part of the team either through a co-operative structure which is a common approach taken by major European football franchises, or the opportunity to buy shares in the company.

“It will be a first for New Zealand and for rugby league and is based on a co-operative model which inherently democratises decision-making and will allow fans to govern the team’s operations from selecting management to shaping the strategic direction.

“By empowering fans as owners we will foster a strong sense of community and inclusivity.”

Sports Insider would expect Te Kaha to jump at the chance to secure another anchor tenant alongside the Crusaders whose team boss Colin Mansbridge recently tweeted his organisation would have no problem with a league franchise in the city.

Moffett has also worked as boss of Cardiff’s Millennium Stadium in Wales, offering further insight successful stadia workings.

Other titbits he released were that, if successful, the Kea’s colours would be based on the iconic Kiwi bird (meaning likely colours of emerald green, red or orange and black).

“We settled on the Kea for a number of reasons,” he explained.

“We wanted an emblem that embodies agility, intelligence, and adaptability – that describes the South Island kea.

“They’re endemic to the Southern Alps of New Zealand which demonstrates an ability to adjust to harsh conditions.

“They have a curious nature and playful spirit and are among the most intelligent and social bird species in the world. They represent teamwork and resilience which will mirror the spirit of our players.

“They are all attributes a franchise will need to be successful in the NRL, so it’s an appropriate name that will add authenticity to our team identity.”

With only 7000 wild Kea remaining and the species under threat, Moffett said $1 of every admission ticket would be donated back to the Kea Conservation Fund.

The South Island has a rich heritage of producing NRL performers including teak tough props Brent Todd, Mark Broadhurst, Terry Hermansson and the late Quentin Pongia and Adrian Shelford, former Kiwi coach David Kidwell right through to current Broncos emerging star Jordan Riki and last season’s leading tryscorer in the NRL, Jamayne Isaako from the Dolphins. That proven factory line of South Island talent over four decades will surely catch the eye of V’Landys and Abdo who both understand New Zealand is currently the richest talent nursery in the game.
 

jim_57

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Its come out of the blue, sounds like he talked to the SI bid and didn't get what he wanted so has set up his own bid team. Its all very reminiscent of 2011-2013 tbh.

To be blunt the original bid was barely more than a facebook page and a few interviews. The guy seems to be trying hard and clearly passionate about it but after the built up Vegas launch that didn’t happen I think we can safely assume he didn’t have a lot.

If these guys want to build a bid they’re essentially starting from scratch either way so might as well start their own if they think they can do it better. Must admit their resumes look far better than Tony Kidd’s.
 
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Perth Red

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To be blunt the original bid was barely more than a facebook page and a few interviews. The guy seems to be trying hard and clearly passionate about it but after the built up Vegas launch that didn’t happen I think we can safely assume he didn’t have a lot.

If these guys want to build a bid they’re essentially starting from scratch either way so might as well start their own if they think they can do it better. Must admit their resumes look far better than Tony Kidd’s.
yes def more impressive resumes. The first bid reminded me of the Brothers bid attempts. Grassroots based and focused but without any real clout or financial backing. If the Kea bid can get enough financial support around them to make the NRl comfortable will be critical. I cant see fan co-operative funding floating many boats at NRLHQ.
 

Perth Red

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Haha, and so it begins.
from that article above:

Rival boss Tony Kidd has released a statement saying Moffett approached them about wanting to chair their bid but they rejected him.

Former New Zealand Rugby boss Moffett says they've twisted the facts and it was Kidd who made the proposal about working together and he declined them.

Moffett says by releasing that statement, they've broken their NDA.
 

final say

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Haha, and so it begins.
from that article above:

Rival boss Tony Kidd has released a statement saying Moffett approached them about wanting to chair their bid but they rejected him.

Former New Zealand Rugby boss Moffett says they've twisted the facts and it was Kidd who made the proposal about working together and he declined them.

Moffett says by releasing that statement, they've broken their NDA.
 
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