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2025 Crowd Watch

Vlad59

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Think the Dragons have to make up their minds about whether they're a Sydney club or a Illawarra/South Coast club.

In their case it should be the latter.

The juniors in the St George area a sick joke thanks to St George area being now predominantly a Chinese & Greek area who are more into the round ball game.

They should just move to Wollongong fulltime permanently and the remaining clubs in the St George juniors should go with us and Canterbury.
Their junior catchment is huge across Illawarra/group 7. Over 650 teams. Their juniors in Sydney are propped up by the sharks with all side s over 12 playing in our comp. It’s a bit of a dilemma for them as they still have a lot of support in Sydney. The crowds in the Gong are fair but the stadium needs work. Given their traditional base you’d have to think they could play a couple of games at least at the sfs apart from Anzac Day to build up a decent crowd average?
 

newc18

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I’d suggest that with the growth in crowds a few clubs need to look at crowd maximisation strategies. It’s not a problem we’ve had before. But it’s not as simple as scheduling a game at a larger ground. Just ask the Rabbitohs.
There is a bit of a difference with hosting a game at Accor and the SFS, but yes its not as simple as just moving a game. You need to put it on the right day, right time, right opponent and advertise it well. Give the fans a compelling reason to make the trip.

The roosters had the luxury of playing at the best ground in Sydney with a 4pm Sunday game. They are going well and they are the only club playing at that venue. And its fanbase lives in that area.
Roosters were 8th coming into last weekend. I think the fact they created an event that made fans want to come to the game against an out of town opponent in the Cowboys should be applauded. Cowboys against the Bunnies, Tigers, Sharks, Dragons etc. in Sydney gets half that crowd.

As for the Sharks, the club is still dealing with issues relating to the Development. The ground will return to 18000 capacity. It’s leagues club will reopen. But that’s all held up due to woeful decisions by previous administrators.
Which is more of a reason to look at other venues while all that gets built. Talk with the NRL and venues NSW to get a Sunday 2-4pm slot or whatever the best time the Sharks think people will travel to the SFS and play against a major Sydney club. There's probably tons of Sharks fans who live in Sydney who can't get the Shire and would love to watch a game live.

And yes it should try to market a couple of big games at the SFS in my opinion. But don’t fool yourself that it’s a tried and true strategy by using the roosters as a model.
Exactly. There isn't anything stopping clubs from negotiating a game or two at the SFS. The Bunnies just negotiated 3 games.

And the health of the game is not determined solely or even to a significant extent by crowds.
The NRL is in rude health, is expanding, has record participation , sponsorship, tv ratings, crowds and wealth.
While that is true, more income is important to growing the clubs and the game overall. Last year the Broncos made $28,744,642 million from membership, tickets, and corporate sales. This is up from $16,047,539 in 2019. Outstanding effort if you ask me.

Obviously I'm not expecting clubs like the Sharks to get anywhere near what the Broncos get, but it shows the Broncos have done a great job of building their club over the last 5 years. No reason the Sharks can't strive for 25-30,000 members, sell out crowds to Shark Park every home game and 20-25k to 1 or 2 home games at the SFS each season.

This thread has a history of irrational expectations, morbid whinging when they aren’t met, and endless bickering.

May it never change.
All I want to see is clubs actively looking to grow their memberships, crowds, and overall revenue.

We have a similar fanbase to the AFL, but we just do a poor job as a whole of engaging them and getting them to sign up as members and go to games. No reason every single club in Sydney can't average 20,000 crowds/ 40,000 members at a minimum.
 

newc18

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Think the Dragons have to make up their minds about whether they're a Sydney club or a Illawarra/South Coast club.

In their case it should be the latter.

The juniors in the St George area a sick joke thanks to St George area being now predominantly a Chinese & Greek area who are more into the round ball game.

They should just move to Wollongong fulltime permanently and the remaining clubs in the St George juniors should go with us and Canterbury.
I think they need to look at what Geelong do in the AFL. They play the majority of their games in Geelong with their big games against Melbourne clubs at the MCG.

No reason the Dragons can't follow a similar model with the majority of their games at Wollongong, with their bigger games against Sydney teams at the SFS.
 

Vlad59

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There is a bit of a difference with hosting a game at Accor and the SFS, but yes its not as simple as just moving a game. You need to put it on the right day, right time, right opponent and advertise it well. Give the fans a compelling reason to make the trip.


Roosters were 8th coming into last weekend. I think the fact they created an event that made fans want to come to the game against an out of town opponent in the Cowboys should be applauded. Cowboys against the Bunnies, Tigers, Sharks, Dragons etc. in Sydney gets half that crowd.


Which is more of a reason to look at other venues while all that gets built. Talk with the NRL and venues NSW to get a Sunday 2-4pm slot or whatever the best time the Sharks think people will travel to the SFS and play against a major Sydney club. There's probably tons of Sharks fans who live in Sydney who can't get the Shire and would love to watch a game live.


Exactly. There isn't anything stopping clubs from negotiating a game or two at the SFS. The Bunnies just negotiated 3 games.


While that is true, more income is important to growing the clubs and the game overall. Last year the Broncos made $28,744,642 million from membership, tickets, and corporate sales. This is up from $16,047,539 in 2019. Outstanding effort if you ask me.

Obviously I'm not expecting clubs like the Sharks to get anywhere near what the Broncos get, but it shows the Broncos have done a great job of building their club over the last 5 years. No reason the Sharks can't strive for 25-30,000 members, sell out crowds to Shark Park every home game and 20-25k to 1 or 2 home games at the SFS each season.


All I want to see is clubs actively looking to grow their memberships, crowds, and overall revenue.

We have a similar fanbase to the AFL, but we just do a poor job as a whole of engaging them and getting them to sign up as members and go to games. No reason every single club in Sydney can't average 20,000 crowds/ 40,000 members at a minimum.
As I said, we’ve had an upsurge in crowds which, to be frank, wasn’t expected. Clubs should now work out how to maximise that.
As for the scheduling of games. Good luck. That’s in the NRLs hands and tv reigns supreme, as it should.
I don’t think any club is not bothering to increase its income. It just might not be in the way you prefer them too.
I’d suggest you are wasting your time with this membership BS. It doesn’t necessarily result in higher attendances and a lot of the membership data is meaningless.
I get rather annoyed by afl comparisons as they are pointless. Their culture is very different to ours. We should be proud of who we are and how our game is progressing. The afl is an ugly arrogant organisation and its propensity for hiding scandals is appalling. Start with racism and on and on it goes.
Plenty of major comps have clubs with smaller clubs and attendances. If that gives clubs a point of difference that’s fine by me. The EPL is a classic example.
 

Perth Red

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I think they need to look at what Geelong do in the AFL. They play the majority of their games in Geelong with their big games against Melbourne clubs at the MCG.

No reason the Dragons can't follow a similar model with the majority of their games at Wollongong, with their bigger games against Sydney teams at the SFS.
If they had any sense they'd play Souths, Roosters, Bulldogs (and 2027>Perth) there. Reciprocal memberships with those three clubs (Perth Sydney Bears membership to include that game), one game v Sharks at Kogorah and rest at WIN.

Guarantees 4 x 25k+ crowds at Allianz for Dragons home games, sell out at Kogorah then with 7 games they can build the Gong crowd and push for new stand at WIN to get it up to 20-25k.
 

Vlad59

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I think they need to look at what Geelong do in the AFL. They play the majority of their games in Geelong with their big games against Melbourne clubs at the MCG.

No reason the Dragons can't follow a similar model with the majority of their games at Wollongong, with their bigger games against Sydney teams at the SFS.
Well applying that rationale the Knights should move all their big games to ACCOR as it will double/triple their crowds. Naïveté is such a sweet thing.
 

newc18

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As for the scheduling of games. Good luck. That’s in the NRLs hands and tv reigns supreme, as it should.
This is why I said the Sharks should work with the NRL to find a time that works for both.
I don’t think any club is not bothering to increase its income. It just might not be in the way you prefer them too.
You can't seriously look at me with a straight face and say clubs like the Dragons and Sharks are doing everything they can to maximise their income.

I’d suggest you are wasting your time with this membership BS. It doesn’t necessarily result in higher attendances and a lot of the membership data is meaningless.
Memberships are income for the club. I'm guessing you're not a Sharks member?

I get rather annoyed by afl comparisons as they are pointless. Their culture is very different to ours. We should be proud of who we are and how our game is progressing. The afl is an ugly arrogant organisation and its propensity for hiding scandals is appalling. Start with racism and on and on it goes.
We have a similar sized fanbase, we should be doing all we can as a game to get these fans more involved. It doesn't have to be just going to games, but buying memberships, merchandise, etc. is important.

You can be annoyed all you want, but we will always be compared to the AFL. Of course we can be proud of our game and where it is, but we can always be doing better, and atm the AFL do some things better than we do, just like we do some things better than the AFL. If you don't want to read about our ideas to improve crowds, I'd suggest you stick to the game threads.

Plenty of major comps have clubs with smaller clubs and attendances. If that gives clubs a point of difference that’s fine by me. The EPL is a classic example.
What I'm taking from this is your content where the Sharks are at.
 

newc18

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Well applying that rationale the Knights should move all their big games to ACCOR as it will double/triple their crowds. Naïveté is such a sweet thing.
Geelong to Melbourne is 50 mins on a train, and the Dragons have a big fanbase in Sydney. Not exactly the same as Knights fans travelling 2 hours on a train. You come across as a real idiot sometimes.
 

Vlad59

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Geelong to Melbourne is 50 mins on a train, and the Dragons have a big fanbase in Sydney. Not exactly the same as Knights fans travelling 2 hours on a train. You come across as a real idiot sometimes.
Actually you come across as remarkably naive. The time difference by car isn’t that different. I’ve done both. Regularly. Simple fact is you are happy for others to travel to maximise crowds (apparently) but not your own mob. That’s very sweet. Comparing the afl attendance culture to ours is the domain of fools. We are different..
 

Vlad59

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This is why I said the Sharks should work with the NRL to find a time that works for both.

You can't seriously look at me with a straight face and say clubs like the Dragons and Sharks are doing everything they can to maximise their income.


Memberships are income for the club. I'm guessing you're not a Sharks member?


We have a similar sized fanbase, we should be doing all we can as a game to get these fans more involved. It doesn't have to be just going to games, but buying memberships, merchandise, etc. is important.

You can be annoyed all you want, but we will always be compared to the AFL. Of course we can be proud of our game and where it is, but we can always be doing better, and atm the AFL do some things better than we do, just like we do some things better than the AFL. If you don't want to read about our ideas to improve crowds, I'd suggest you stick to the game threads.


What I'm taking from this is your content where the Sharks are at.
You can take what you like. I couldn’t care less. Im amused you don’t think I’m a member. Like how the hell would you know (and why would you care?). I’m glad you love the afl so much and all they do. You sound more and more like a fumble ball fanatic. And I have no intention of looking you in the eye. Keep your fetishes and desires to yourself :)
 

newc18

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Actually you come across as remarkably naive. The time difference by car isn’t that different. I’ve done both. Regularly. Simple fact is you are happy for others to travel to maximise crowds (apparently) but not your own mob. That’s very sweet. Comparing the afl attendance culture to ours is the domain of fools. We are different..
You can't be serious lol.

Geelong to the MCG is roughly 1 hour. Newcastle to Accor is 2 hours. Do you struggle with maths?

How can you seriously have an issue with the Dragons playing more games at the SFS when you look at the crowds they get at Kogarah? I'm not expecting the Dragons to sell out the SFS, but more people going to games is always a good thing.
 

Vlad59

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You can't be serious lol.

Geelong to the MCG is roughly 1 hour. Newcastle to Accor is 2 hours. Do you struggle with maths?

How can you seriously have an issue with the Dragons playing more games at the SFS when you look at the crowds they get at Kogarah? I'm not expecting the Dragons to sell out the SFS, but more people going to games is always a good thing.
Settle petal. I’ve driven both just recently. It isn’t that different. And who said I had a problem with the dragons playing at the SFS? Ive said said the opposite. Now keep up or shut up.
 

newc18

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You can take what you like. I couldn’t care less. Im amused you don’t think I’m a member. Like how the hell would you know (and why would you care?). I’m glad you love the afl so much and all they do. You sound more and more like a fumble ball fanatic. And I have no intention of looking you in the eye. Keep your fetishes and desires to yourself :)
Considering how much you talk down memberships, are you surprised I question if you are a member? I'm sure the Sharks would care if you're a member or not though.

I'm really questioning why you are even on here. All you want to do is talk shit to people who are trying to come up with ideas on how to improve crowds. If you're happy with the status quo, that's great, but we want the game and all the clubs to keep growing.
 

newc18

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Settle petal. I’ve driven both just recently. It isn’t that different. And who said I had a problem with the dragons playing at the SFS? Ive said said the opposite. Now keep up or shut up.
Lets ignore the clear distance between them because Vlad says so lol. You have to be trolling. But I guess you have to do something to take everyone's mind off the Sharks being a povo club.
 

Vlad59

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Considering how much you talk down memberships, are you surprised I question if you are a member? I'm sure the Sharks would care if you're a member or not though.

I'm really questioning why you are even on here. All you want to do is talk shit to people who are trying to come up with ideas on how to improve crowds. If you're happy with the status quo, that's great, but we want the game and all the clubs to keep growing.
You really like trying to tell me what I think and say. Sadly you are invariably wrong.
 

Perth Red

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Full ticketed memberships are a gold mine for clubs that can build decent fanbases. And they do impact crowd size as you are more likely to still get a decent crowd if its raining or if form is dipped if people have already bought their tickets through a full membership. The well supported clubs are making nearly as much money from game day activity as they are from the NRL grant generated by the tv deal.
Not to mention full stadiums present a picture of a healthy sport which gets sponsors more interested in being involved.
 

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