Easts Tigers are too big to not be in the NRL

[siv]

The Warriors and the Storm represent far too large and area for only one development team. Warriors sitting top of the ladder is evidence of that. So how many prospects miss out on opportunities in NZ?
NZ needs a feeder comp of its own akin to Q cup or as has already been explained, should be a catalyst for an expanded NSW cup to include:
Wellington
Christchurch
Dunedin
Hamilton
Melbourne
Fiji
Central Coast

Agree NZ Cup should return

Basically Auckland RL plus NZ Provential teams, or a few from Wellington region

This was the old Bartercard Cup for semi'pro partime athletes

But doesn't change the need for the elite level NRL structures

Just like Pacific Club Cup style comp should be setup for Fiji Tonga Samoa

Again it's all about opportunities and then development

 

[Canard]

youre really struggling to understand what the alternative view is here aren't you?

All of those places would still have a team and a jnr system, just that it would be in a legit competition that actually had meaning.

Why is the QCup not a "legit" competition?

 

[Gobsmacked]

youre really struggling to understand what the alternative view is here aren't you?

All of those places would still have a team and a jnr system, just that it would be in a legit competition that actually had meaning.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

This money is already covered by the current NRL grants for 30+6 players plus coaching structure

NRL has already started running NRLQ U20s too

Why send money to the QRL or NSWRL to send elsewhere?

What about under 19s, 17s, 15s, 14s and all the subsidiary junior clubs below under 13’s down to under 6’s. Thousand upon thousands of kids and hundreds of future NRL talents. The literal hundreds of clubs that house these youngsters.

Have you actually thought about how the QRL and NSW RL money is distributed? Clearly not. You think the hundreds of juniors clubs within the dozens of districts and regions that are the literal source of all rugby league stocks run off air?

Again, you’re another one only thinking of senior levels and can’t seem to grasp how far the money filters down to. From a QLD perspective the representative clubs ie Q-Cup clubs invest back into their junior districts. That cash is invested into them by QRL. QRL is invested by NRL. NRL gets its money from the product that the junior clubs players who progress up to NRL players play. That is quite literally the circle.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Not sure why you're bringing up NFL, they have a totally different system to anythign like RL here.
They have big enough squads they effectively carry a reserve grade side in the first team squad. They have nothing at all to do with player development and leave that to third parties (high schools then colleges) and have a draft to pick out of that system the first grade.

NRL reserve grade is inevitable at some time regardless of how Qlnders feel about the QRL cup. It was only every stopped due to clubs not affording it. They can now and it will return. As will a national U21's or U20's
If the NRL get their $600mill tv deal we could see major changes from 2028 on.

But college still serves as the source of the players for the final product which is the NFL does it not?

QRL serves as a source of the players for the final product which is the NRL does it not?

NRL reserve grade isn’t inevitable. The codes expansion will require more lower tier clubs and pathways to draw talent from. The national reserve grade squad diminishes that pool, it doesn’t increase it because 15 QRL clubs cannot go into 5 (I’ve included PNG) - that align with QLD/PNG based NRL clubs.

 

[Perth Red]

Why is the QCup not a "legit" competition?

Because the results are heavily influenced by how many and which NRL 'loan' players happen to be in your team that week.

 

[Perth Red]

But college still serves as the source of the players for the final product which is the NFL does it not?

QRL serves as a source of the players for the final product which is the NRL does it not?

NRL reserve grade isn’t inevitable. The codes expansion will require more lower tier clubs and pathways to draw talent from. The national reserve grade squad diminishes that pool, it doesn’t increase it because 15 QRL clubs cannot go into 5 (I’ve included PNG) - that align with QLD/PNG based NRL clubs.

And all those junior sides will remain under the QRL comps and the LC's that fund them. Nothing changes other than at the very elite level of two senior age groups that would fall under 4 Qlnd NRL clubs. The grant the QRL clubs get goes mainly to running thew QLND cup team, not running the jnrs.

So we'd have NRL 1st grade. reserve grade and U20's national comps run by the NRL clubs

Then NRL championship which consists of the snr team plus all the jnr teams of existing QRL clubs and maybe some more besides who can now be part of a legit comp that doesn't mean if you dont have NRL link up you are going to struggle. Salary cap of $2mill. Build it up with boutique stadiums like Redcliffe and work hard on community engagement so you get 5k or so attending games, Give these areas without an NRL club something worth following in their town.

 

[Wb1234]

What about under 19s, 17s, 15s, 14s and all the subsidiary junior clubs below under 13’s down to under 6’s. Thousand upon thousands of kids and hundreds of future NRL talents. The literal hundreds of clubs that house these youngsters.

Have you actually thought about how the QRL and NSW RL money is distributed? Clearly not. You think the hundreds of juniors clubs within the dozens of districts and regions that are the literal source of all rugby league stocks run off air?

Again, you’re another one only thinking of senior levels and can’t seem to grasp how far the money filters down to. From a QLD perspective the representative clubs ie Q-Cup clubs invest back into their junior districts. That cash is invested into them by QRL. QRL is invested by NRL. NRL gets its money from the product that the junior clubs players who progress up to NRL players play. That is quite literally the circle.

Nah the money made by nrl clubs and origin is what pays for everything on top of leagues clubs funding

Nrl clubs in qld could run down to under 16

My mates son is like eight he’s a wests tigers junior. His daughter is ten and she plays for them too

I’m shocked they don’t do that

That’s so backward

If your happy for your nrl clubs not be be copying the elite Sydney clubs like Penrith then fine you will always be at a disadvantage

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Because the results are heavily influenced by how many and which NRL 'loan' players happen to be in your team that week.

Blackhawks sit on top of the ladder. Their NRL affiliate club is South Sydney and Souths are supplying them zero players and not really any cash either.

So?

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Nah the money made by nrl clubs and origin is what pays for everything on top of leagues clubs funding

Nrl clubs in qld could run down to under 16

My mates son is like eight he’s a wests tigers junior. His daughter is ten and she plays for them too

I’m shocked they don’t do that

That’s so backward

If your happy for your nrl clubs not be be copying the elite Sydney clubs like Penrith then fine you will always be at a disadvantage

Can’t have NRL or origin without players. Players aren’t born as 18 year olds ready to go. This is not a hard concept to grasp…. Quite frankly I have zero idea what you’re trying to argue here with that.

Also how is it backwards? You have 7 regional QRL clubs, 1 international club, 2 GC and 5 greater Brisbane (former BRL) clubs which make up the competition. The structure is different to the New South Wales cup where almost all the clubs are centered around one location. Which makes it clear that the QRL gives a shit about its regional country footy and the representation of those locations whereas NSWRL does not.

The fact that the game can have these two different competitions providing quality, development, pathways, and history via its clubs is a good thing. Trying to change it for the sake of changing it while everyone keeps talking about the increased club grants paying for it. I disagree because NRL clubs will want that money for its NRL clubs not for the downstreaming of it. That’s how it generally works because overheads keep increasing .

We can agree to disagree on this matter but I also think you’re incredibly ill informed on how the QRL structure works and why it’s important to maintain the integrity of that structure as it is. As I keep telling Perth red, there are things in rugby league that all the Google searches will not explain to you how these things intricately work in the real world. You have to experience them and be present to understand them.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Nah the money made by nrl clubs and origin is what pays for everything on top of leagues clubs funding

Nrl clubs in qld could run down to under 16

My mates son is like eight he’s a wests tigers junior. His daughter is ten and she plays for them too

I’m shocked they don’t do that

That’s so backward

If your happy for your nrl clubs not be be copying the elite Sydney clubs like Penrith then fine you will always be at a disadvantage

Yeah the Broncos and the Storm have been a disaster.. can't have that.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

This backwards QRL has helped the initial development of players that have won 15 of the last 20 origin series including 2 recent unwinnable series…. It’s 2025 best players in Munster and Dearden came from the Capras and Cutters districts. 2 regions with minimal NRL club interaction at the best of times.

So is the balance really that heavily favouring the NRL clubs? Considering the districts provide the cattle? Time for some reassessment peeps because in QLD it’s synergetic.

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah the Broncos and the Storm have been a disaster.. can't have that.

Four straight

 

[Wb1234]

Can’t have NRL or origin without players. Players aren’t born as 18 year olds ready to go. This is not a hard concept to grasp…. Quite frankly I have zero idea what you’re trying to argue here with that.

Also how is it backwards? You have 7 regional QRL clubs, 1 international club, 2 GC and 5 greater Brisbane (former BRL) clubs which make up the competition. The structure is different to the New South Wales cup where almost all the clubs are centered around one location. Which makes it clear that the QRL gives a shit about its regional country footy and the representation of those locations whereas NSWRL does not.

The fact that the game can have these two different competitions providing quality, development, pathways, and history via its clubs is a good thing. Trying to change it for the sake of changing it while everyone keeps talking about the increased club grants paying for it. I disagree because NRL clubs will want that money for its NRL clubs not for the downstreaming of it. That’s how it generally works because overheads keep increasing .

We can agree to disagree on this matter but I also think you’re incredibly ill informed on how the QRL structure works and why it’s important to maintain the integrity of that structure as it is. As I keep telling Perth red, there are things in rugby league that all the Google searches will not explain to you how these things intricately work in the real world. You have to experience them and be present to understand them.

Nrl clubs can’t get that money the qrl gets allocated now

You’ve just made up a scenario

It’s obvious the qrl will oppose this even again the eke own nrl clubs wishes

 

[Gobsmacked]

Four straight

So what? Do Melbourne look like they're being left behind? Do the Broncos look like they are being left behind?
These clubs have been strong for the last 30 years! In fact, they've always been strong! Thanks to the Q cup !

 

[Canard]

Because the results are heavily influenced by how many and which NRL 'loan' players happen to be in your team that week.

Once again you are only concentrating on the top level. Even then you seem to be operating under the misapprehension that people would suddenly flock to a lower standard competition if the team lists stayed the same every week.

It's not the function of any lower tier league nor the attraction.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Nrl clubs can’t get that money the qrl gets allocated now

You’ve just made up a scenario

It’s obvious the qrl will oppose this even again the eke own nrl clubs wishes

I’ve made no scenario up.

Everything has cause and effect. Current on going funding wouldn’t be effected, future % share of funding would.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Four straight

Panthers are the exception. No other NSW club seems to have streamlined their pathways to the same efficient manner producing the same results.

Roosters don’t have the junior base (as far as quantity of clubs within their districts) but also achieve consistency. Likewise Storm.

What Panthers have done is borderline impossible to replicate. A lot of elements outside of footy have lined up for their footy systems and pathways to prosper. Social, economic, population, geographical, etc etc.

 

[Wb1234]

Panthers are the exception. No other NSW club seems to have streamlined their pathways to the same efficient manner producing the same results.

Roosters don’t have the junior base (as far as quantity of clubs within their districts) but also achieve consistency. Likewise Storm.

What Panthers have done is borderline impossible to replicate. A lot of elements outside of footy have lined up for their footy systems and pathways to prosper. Social, economic, population, geographical, etc etc.

Any clubs with a decent junior base can replicate it

Your deliberately ignoring the point of guys like luai and Cleary etc growing up together in the ranks benefitting the nrl team

I’ve made no scenario up.

Everything has cause and effect. Current on going funding wouldn’t be effected, future % share of funding would.

And there we have it

Third tier comp means less future percentage as nrl pathways get more important

It’s not about what’s necessarily good for rugby league overall or in qld just maintaining the status quo and protecting their empire

 

[Wb1234]

So what? Do Melbourne look like they're being left behind? Do the Broncos look like they are being left behind?
These clubs have been strong for the last 30 years! In fact, they've always been strong! Thanks to the Q cup !

Broncos have double the revenue of the average nrl club

Haven’t won a comp in almost 20 years and somehow won the wooden spoon in 2020

Lucky you guys are good at origin cause your nrl clubs ain’t it on the field