Easts Tigers are too big to not be in the NRL

[Red&BlackBear]

Any clubs with a decent junior base can replicate it

Your deliberately ignoring the point of guys like luai and Cleary etc growing up together in the ranks benefitting the nrl team

And there we have it

Third tier comp means less future percentage as nrl pathways get more important

It’s not about what’s necessarily good for rugby league overall or in qld just maintaining the status quo and protecting their empire

No future tier means less down stream funding to juniors that those regional clubs represent. What happens right now is absolutely irrelevant because your fantasy league doesn’t exist.

Don’t construe what I’m stating. What’s good for rugby league is that the player source is maintained and well funded.

 

[Wb1234]

No future tier means less down stream funding to juniors that those regional clubs represent. What happens right now is relevant because your fantasy league doesn’t exist.

Don’t construe what I’m stating. What’s good for rugby league is that the player source is maintained and well funded.

You’re doing a Perth red and making strawman arguments

What happens today will continue with four qld nrl clubs spending more on top of this

It’s good for rugby league to have more money spent on it

Existing qrl comp is funded

Plus

Four nrl sides running reserve grade and possibly all the way to under16 all playing other nrl clubs

 

[Red&BlackBear]

You’re doing a Perth red and making strawman arguments

What happens today will continue with four qld nrl clubs spending more on top of this

It’s good for rugby league to have more money spent on it

No I’m not, you’re failing to understand that regardless of future income deals and overall capital, the game is still financially limited and always will be financially limited. The limit itself is a different topic. The game isn’t going to throw around money just because it looks good on paper.

There is some lack of oversight from you in to how QRL operates and your reasons lack any genuine knowledge of the states rugby league structure. My arguments are based on tangibles, cmon man I was at QRL HQ just yesterday. Quite literally showed you evidence - don’t act like I don’t know what I’m talking about here.

As someone who invests in junior league in QLD; I’m well versed into how the structure works and how the money from NRL is distributed and why it’s important to maintain the state comps integrity and current structure. This goes beyond the 15 senior teams, always has. The NRL clubs do not care about investing into the source; they are happy to sign kids at certain ages and then let the QRL clubs develop them up to a certain point.

This makes up a minuscule percentage of the overall junior player pool. It’s up to the QRL clubs and the clubs within those clubs district comps to do the hard work. The money that’s allocated filters all the way down. A national reserve grade impacts that; you’re creating a new tier that will try to turn 15 into 4 soon to be 5. That tier still requires overheads for players, staff, travel, accommodation etc

 

[Wb1234]

No I’m not, you’re failing to understand that regardless of future income deals and overall capital, the game is still financially limited and always will be financially limited. The limit itself is a different topic. The game isn’t going to throw around money just because it looks good on paper.

There is some lack of oversight from you in to how QRL operates and your reasons lack any genuine knowledge of the states rugby league structure. My arguments are based on tangibles, cmon man I was at QRL HQ just yesterday. Quite literally showed you evidence - don’t act like I don’t know what I’m talking about here.

As someone who invests in junior league in QLD; I’m well versed into how the structure works and how the money from NRL is distributed and why it’s important to maintain the state comps integrity and current structure. This goes beyond the 15 senior teams, always has. The NRL clubs do not care about investing into the source; they are happy to sign kids at certain ages and then let the QRL clubs develop them up to a certain point.

This makes up a minuscule percentage of the overall junior player pool. It’s up to the QRL clubs and the clubs within those clubs district comps to do the hard work. The money that’s allocated filters all the way down. A national reserve grade impacts that; you’re creating a new tier that will try to turn 15 into 4 soon to be 5. That tier still requires overheads for players, staff, travel, accommodation etc

And having the nrl clubs running rg sides against other nrl sides doesn’t change that a bit

Qld nrl clubs should be allowed to do what’s best for them the qrl shouldnt be allowed to block this

But they will

You say qld nrl clubs don’t want to invest in junior systems yet here they want rg and its not them blocking it

This should’ve been streamlined ages ago

Nrl revenue will soon be a billion pa and the they’ve net assets over 300 million

I didn’t say you don’t know what you’re talking about

But you and a fellow other qld posters are doing the whole parochial qld rl mindset about the guys from Sydney trying to harm your league

 

[Gobsmacked]

And having the nrl clubs running rg sides against other nrl sides doesn’t change that a bit

Qld nrl clubs should be allowed to do what’s best for them the qrl shouldnt be allowed to block this

But they will

You say qld nrl clubs don’t want to invest in junior systems yet here they want rg and its not them blocking it

This should’ve been streamlined ages ago

Nrl revenue will soon be a billion pa and the they’ve net assets over 300 million

I didn’t say you don’t know what you’re talking about

But you and a fellow other qld posters are doing the whole parochial qld rl mindset about the guys from Sydney trying to harm your league

Just stop . You have no f**king idea.

 

[Gobsmacked]

No I’m not, you’re failing to understand that regardless of future income deals and overall capital, the game is still financially limited and always will be financially limited. The limit itself is a different topic. The game isn’t going to throw around money just because it looks good on paper.

There is some lack of oversight from you in to how QRL operates and your reasons lack any genuine knowledge of the states rugby league structure. My arguments are based on tangibles, cmon man I was at QRL HQ just yesterday. Quite literally showed you evidence - don’t act like I don’t know what I’m talking about here.

As someone who invests in junior league in QLD; I’m well versed into how the structure works and how the money from NRL is distributed and why it’s important to maintain the state comps integrity and current structure. This goes beyond the 15 senior teams, always has. The NRL clubs do not care about investing into the source; they are happy to sign kids at certain ages and then let the QRL clubs develop them up to a certain point.

This makes up a minuscule percentage of the overall junior player pool. It’s up to the QRL clubs and the clubs within those clubs district comps to do the hard work. The money that’s allocated filters all the way down. A national reserve grade impacts that; you’re creating a new tier that will try to turn 15 into 4 soon to be 5. That tier still requires overheads for players, staff, travel, accommodation etc

Where do you stand on possible expansion of this current model? Qld is well represented at the Q cup, there no reasonable area overlooked imo. It really is done well!
But the NSW cup could certainly be expanded on and new pathways created though funding of those expansion teams.
Rugby League areas currently without a second tier representation:
Fiji
Wellington
Christchurch
Dunedin
Central Coast
Orange?
Bathurst?

Perhaps the Q cup could have another PNG side?

 

[Wb1234]

Just stop . You have no f**king idea.

I’m arguing the viewpoint of Pvl

He knows a thing or two about rugby league

And you’re own nrl clubs

 

[Gobsmacked]

I’m arguing the viewpoint of Pvl

He knows a thing or two about rugby league

And you’re own nrl clubs

He's been absolutely fantastic at the top level promoting the game!
And the same could be said about horse racing- the Everest has been a huge success!

But that doesn't translate into the a deep knowledge of horse racing, how to breed horse, feed them, take care of them and get them to perform on race day.. in fact, there's less and less Australian breed horses competing in our top horse racing events then ever.

The same is true for Rugby league, great, let's take the game to Vegas! Let's expand the competition!
That's the NRL.
That's not Mackay local junior football, or Rockhampton..
What are we doing for pathways in NZ ?
Union has the NPC ..players have a direct path to Super Rugby through their local system.
What does RL have? f**k all.
That's not PVL job though.

We need to expand on these feeder comps, not reduce them.

 

[Wb1234]

He's been absolutely fantastic at the top level promoting the game!
And the same could be said about horse racing- the Everest has been a huge success!

But that doesn't translate into the a deep knowledge of horse racing, how to breed horse, feed them, take care of them and get them to perform on race day.. in fact, there's less and less Australian breed horses competing in our top horse racing events then ever.

The same is true for Rugby league, great, let's take the game to Vegas! Let's expand the competition!
That's the NRL.
That's not Mackay local junior football, or Rockhampton..
What are we doing for pathways in NZ ?
Union has the NPC ..players have a direct path to Super Rugby through their local system.
What does RL have? f**k all.
That's not PVL job though.

We need to expand on these feeder comps, not reduce them.

How’s nrl clubs having rg sides taking away from the qld cup

It’s only nrl clubs not loaning them their spare players

It improves competition integrity

And your own nrl clubs support it

My gut tells me the nswrl will allow it too but the qrl will be the stumbling block

Unless they squeeze more money out of the nrl which shouldn’t be how things operate

It’s not an attack on the qrl

You guys are just being paranoid

Like Perth fans when they said the bears would relocate it back to Sydney

Pure bs

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Where do you stand on possible expansion of this current model? Qld is well represented at the Q cup, there no reasonable area overlooked imo. It really is done well!
But the NSW cup could certainly be expanded on and new pathways created though funding of those expansion teams.
Rugby League areas currently without a second tier representation:
Fiji
Wellington
Christchurch
Dunedin
Central Coast
Orange?
Bathurst?

Perhaps the Q cup could have another PNG side?

I'd love to see NSW Cup sides in southern NSW too, helping to strengthen RL there.

 

[Gobsmacked]

I'd love to see NSW Cup sides in southern NSW too, helping to strengthen RL there.

Totally agree.

 

[Gobsmacked]

How’s nrl clubs having rg sides taking away from the qld cup

It’s only nrl clubs not loaning them their spare players

It improves competition integrity

And your own nrl clubs support it

My gut tells me the nswrl will allow it too but the qrl will be the stumbling block

Unless they squeeze more money out of the nrl which shouldn’t be how things operate

It’s not an attack on the qrl

You guys are just being paranoid

Like Perth fans when they said the bears would relocate it back to Sydney

Pure bs

Fiji, Samoa and Tonga all options for future NSW Cup NRL - ESPN https://share.google/vZnseSLEWCFdQGY7q

You're not going to fund a full reserve and an expansion of the NWS cup .
We'll be back to square one.

It's either the expansion ( travel, paying players, ground hire, accommodation ect)
For an expansion of our feeder systems..
Tonga, Fiji, NZ.. Country Queensland ect..

Or

A reduction of all those future pathways to fund a full reserves comp...

The only reason to argue for a full reserves is its cheaper!!! Hence why PVL is looking at it.

 

[Wb1234]

Fiji, Samoa and Tonga all options for future NSW Cup NRL - ESPN https://share.google/vZnseSLEWCFdQGY7q

You're not going to fund a full reserve and an expansion of the NWS cup .
We'll be back to square one.

It's either the expansion ( travel, paying players, ground hire, accommodation ect)
For an expansion of our feeder systems..
Tonga, Fiji, NZ.. Country Queensland ect..

Or

A reduction of all those future pathways to fund a full reserves comp...

The only reason to argue for a full reserves is its cheaper!!! Hence why PVL is looking at it.

Qrl and nswrl are shareholder/staekholders in the arl

No chance their funding will ever get cut

Nothing wrong with bringing in pacific sides in the nswrl (funding will probably come govts)

Assuming I’m right and it’s new money being spent by qld nrl clubs and the existing funding for the qrl / nswrl stays then what’s the issue ?

Best scenario is nsw and qrl are merged into one comp but maybe the travel costs could be prohibitive

At least two conferences where you play h and a your conference and the other once

 

[Gobsmacked]

Qrl and nswrl are shareholder/staekholders in the arl

No chance their funding will ever get cut

Nothing wrong with bringing in pacific sides in the nswrl (funding will probably come govts)

Assuming I’m right and it’s new money being spent by qld nrl clubs and the existing funding for the qrl / nswrl stays then what’s the issue ?

Best scenario is nsw and qrl are merged into one comp but maybe the travel costs could be prohibitive

At least two conferences where you play h and a your conference and the other once

"Assuming I’m right and it’s new money being spent by qld nrl clubs and the existing funding for the qrl / nswrl stays then what’s the issue ?"
Firstly, it doesn't need to stay the same, it needs to be increased! A lot, if we are adding Fiji ect...
But let's say the funding does stay the same or increased:
Firstly, the quality of those competitions are reduced without the presence of NRL contracted players, that will hurt the development of the players in those competitions.
Secondly, that means we're funding an entire competition that has zero returns. That's soon to be 19 squads of 30 players being flown around the country, put up in hotels, ground hire, coaches ect everything. Not to mention we're now paying an extra 400 players to be full-time.
We're talking hundreds of millions of dollars! For games neither you or I will watch..
Hundreds of millions.
Do do what? We already produce the best Rugby talent on the planet..
How good do you think this will make them?
f**king Batmen?

I'd rather see hundreds of millions go towards something that isn't already being done.
Let's buy into SL with that money...
Fund a NZ comp ..
Anything but pointless games.

 

[siv]

No one said that the QRL would stop funding U19s or U17s or the district leagues below this

But above this you have two pathways

1 - elite fulltime professional pathway- NYC, N-RG, NRL

2 - partime pathway - Qld Cup plus Darwin & revamped NSW/RMC Cup plus Adelaide & non NRL NSW Country regions

Return of NZ Cup and we already have a PNG Cup

 

[Gobsmacked]

No one said that the QRL would stop funding U19s or U17s or the district leagues below this

But above this you have two pathways

1 - elite fulltime professional pathway- NYC, N-RG, NRL

2 - partime pathway - Qld Cup plus Darwin & revamped NSW/RMC Cup plus Adelaide & non NRL NSW Country regions

Return of NZ Cup and we already have a PNG Cup

Sure, and given the extreme cost of a national reserve competition, expect a significant drop in funding that would certainly end any chance of Cairns travel to Brisbane and vis versa..all across the board. Significantly reducing the ability for those regions to grow and develop talent without access to quality opposition.

 

[siv]

Sure, and given the extreme cost of a national reserve competition, expect a significant drop in funding that would certainly end any chance of Cairns travel to Brisbane and vis versa..all across the board. Significantly reducing the ability for those regions to grow and develop talent without access to quality opposition.

Why?

NRL is already funds 30+6 players(2 teams) today and are already running the NRLQ U20s competition