The grand plan

[RedVee]

Catalans
Toulose
Marseille
Lyon
Then places like Avignon
London
Manchester
Toronto
Ottowa

Bring back PSG.
PVL can buy a hotel in Paris for NRL Offical visits.

It would be good if the game was in a position to have Barcelona and an Italian city. Catalans and Toulouse cover Barcelona I guess, and Italy may never happen.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Wasn’t that what Super League was supposed to be?

" supposed to" yes but the vested interests of the small English clubs prevailed.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Bring back PSG.
PVL can buy a hotel in Paris for NRL Offical visits.

It would be good if the game was in a position to have Barcelona and an Italian city. Catalans and Toulouse cover Barcelona I guess, and Italy may never happen.

I'd like to see a Dublin team.

 

[Perth Red]

The levels of clueless on here are way beyond the norm lol

London cant sustain themselves in SL, but they should be in. Toronto couldnt sustain itself in Sl, but they should be in. Its a business FFS, if they cant afford to be in then the game hasn't got tens of millions to prop them up. Dublin?
You live in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[Wb1234]

Bring back PSG.
PVL can buy a hotel in Paris for NRL Offical visits.

It would be good if the game was in a position to have Barcelona and an Italian city. Catalans and Toulouse cover Barcelona I guess, and Italy may never happen.

Italy had rugby league clubs originally
Either the rfl or some other league body ignored them

So they went to union and are now the base for the Italian six nations side

But one day yeh it should be explored

 

[Wb1234]

The levels of clueless on here are way beyond the norm lol

London cant sustain themselves in SL, but they should be in. Toronto couldnt sustain itself in Sl, but they should be in. Its a business FFS, if they cant afford to be in then the game hasn't got tens of millions to prop them up. Dublin?
You live in cloud cuckoo land.

Hull kr says hello

 

[Gobsmacked]

The levels of clueless on here are way beyond the norm lol

London cant sustain themselves in SL, but they should be in. Toronto couldnt sustain itself in Sl, but they should be in. Its a business FFS, if they cant afford to be in then the game hasn't got tens of millions to prop them up. Dublin?
You live in cloud cuckoo land.

Not as far as Perth

 

[Perth Red]

Hull kr says hello

and? What are you trying to say? HKR couldnt sustain themselves in the top flight and wasnt in it for a very long time. I didnt demand they should be in. They earnt their place, are in now, and flying, as they finally got their sht together and earnt the right to be there.

London, Toronto, Dublin, Newcastle who pays for them? Reality is the central funding isnt enough to pay for 30+ years expansion projects. SL clubs rely on gate takings and sponsors to pay the bills. If you cant get 8-10k+ through the gate and have a healthy local sponsorship support then you are reliant on an owner pouring money in every year forever. Thats the cold hard facts of life in SL. When London, Dublin or Outer Hebrides can manage that then sure come on in.

 

[Wb1234]

and? What are you trying to say? HKR couldnt sustain themselves in the top flight and wasnt in it for a very long time. I didnt demand they should be in. They are in now, and flying, as they finally got their sht together and earnt the right to be there.

Still lose money

Imagine if you had to pay teams travel costs and got no share of the tv grant.

Because hull doesn’t need two clubs for the tv deal

 

[Perth Red]

Still lose money

Imagine if you had to pay teams travel costs and got no share of the tv grant.

Because hull doesn’t need two clubs for the tv deal

Hopefully not this year! And with a new retail and sports precinct project about to be built financially we are looking pretty good.

Imagine if we didnt offer anything to the tv or sponsorship value of SL

In your ill informed opinion, the two Hull clubs have tow of the biggest fanbases in SL. ZBut if had to lose the lessor team than Im sure FC fans would follow them in the championship

 

[Wb1234]

Hopefully not this year! And with a new retail and sports precinct project about to be built financially we are looking pretty good.

Imagine if we didnt offer anything to the tv or sponsorship value of SL

In your ill informed opinion, the two Hull clubs have tow of the biggest fanbases in SL. ZBut if had to lose the lessor team than Im sure FC fans would follow them in the championship

Hull doesn’t need two clubs for the tv deal

But ofc you wouldn’t accept their tv grant to be cut

All your ground proposals are like the sharks … and you think poorly of their ground

Indeed their reduced capacity is more than cp

 

[Gobsmacked]

and? What are you trying to say? HKR couldnt sustain themselves in the top flight and wasnt in it for a very long time. I didnt demand they should be in. They earnt their place, are in now, and flying, as they finally got their sht together and earnt the right to be there.

London, Toronto, Dublin, Newcastle who pays for them? Reality is the central funding isnt enough to pay for 30+ years expansion projects. SL clubs rely on gate takings and sponsors to pay the bills. If you cant get 8-10k+ through the gate and have a healthy local sponsorship support then you are reliant on an owner pouring money in every year forever. Thats the cold hard facts of life in SL. When London, Dublin or Outer Hebrides can manage that then sure come on in.

I think you've summed it up perfectly and highlighted the major flaw in this system.
Gate taking and local sponsors will NEVER EVER grow the game.
It will stay local, funded by locals. If the locals are having a hard time, so do you. Don't perform , don't get the gate, don't get the sponsors- bust.
Of course, you can't all sit top of the table and if it weren't for a good coach and some form players.. it might be kr we are seeing struggling to pay players..and it's just a couple of years and a form slip away from happening to your club...

What we're saying is, grow you reach, grow your audience, grow your television deal! Get a national, if not international presence!

In business, you grow or you die.

You hated Vegas but ask yourself this: we're there people watching outside of the heartland? Did they sell merchandise outside of the heartland? Subscribers?
The NRL are growing beyond QUEENSLAND and NSW .
There was a time it was just NSWRL..think about that.
It's now the biggest Rugby comp on the planet.
You have to grow.

You're right though in a way because the NRL did it also- try to grow too fast.

There needs to be a balance. Like the NRL had to have a team in Melbourne- because if you ignore a city that size, your competition as whole is a joke. Forget about the club itself, Melbourne ran a loss for decades but the comp HAS to HAVE a presence in a city that size to be considered RELEVANT!

Big cities BIG RELEVANCE.
Yes it cost money! Growing a brand cost money.

London is a must.
Toulouse is sustainable if not it marginal.
Become relevant to a larger audience and you won't need to worry about your week to week gate takings.

 

[Perth Red]

Hull doesn’t need two clubs for the tv deal

But ofc you wouldn’t accept their tv grant to be cut

All your ground proposals are like the sharks … and you think poorly of their ground

Indeed their reduced capacity is more than cp

TV wants as many subscribers as it can get to justify the cost. Only an idiot would cut any club that was in top 6 for fanbases. They are the ones buying subscriptions!

Context is everything.

 

[Perth Red]

I think you've summed it up perfectly and highlighted the major flaw in this system.
Gate taking and local sponsors will NEVER EVER grow the game.
It will stay local, funded by locals. If the locals are having a hard time, so do you. Don't perform , don't get the gate, don't get the sponsors- bust.
Of course, you can't all sit top of the table and if it weren't for a good coach and some form players.. it might be kr we are seeing struggling to pay players..and it's just a couple of years and a form slip away from happening to your club...

What we're saying is, grow you reach, grow your audience, grow your television deal! Get a national, if not international presence!

In business, you grow or you die.

You hated Vegas but ask yourself this: we're there people watching outside of the heartland? Did they sell merchandise outside of the heartland? Subscribers?
The NRL are growing beyond QUEENSLAND and NSW .
There was a time it was just NSWRL..think about that.
It's now the biggest Rugby comp on the planet.
You have to grow.

You're right though in a way because the NRL did it also- try to grow too fast.

There needs to be a balance. Like the NRL had to have a team in Melbourne- because if you ignore a city that size, your competition as whole is a joke. Forget about the club itself, Melbourne ran a loss for decades but the comp HAS to HAVE a presence in a city that size to be considered RELEVANT!

Big cities BIG RELEVANCE.
Yes it cost money! Growing a brand cost money.

London is a must.
Toulouse is sustainable if not it marginal.
Become relevant to a larger audience and you won't need to worry about your week to week gate takings.

Dont disagree but thats the harsh reality over there. Soccer sucks up the money and sponsors and other sports get fed the left overs. Union is going through the same financial strife and reduction in media revenue as league is. We can wish it was different but wishing doesn't make it happen.

Like I said London are a very good example of why the notion that adding a team into a city with no interest is fraught with sustainability issues. Despite being in the biggest city in the country, despite 27 years of SL exposure and funding and despite tens of millions of owner investment they still are no where near a sustainable top tier club. Not sure I can give a more clear example of what the reality is over there than the London Broncos.

And its all well and good to say 'yes it costs money' but the simple fact is SL does not have the money to be able to spend tens of millions of pounds a year on expansion clubs for the next 25 years.

NRL is now, finally, growing off the back of getting the heartlands sorted out and sustainable (taken 25 years), and even then its only happened on the back of some massive govt handouts.
But again its a totally different context and just because NRl has done it in NSW and Qlnd does not mean the same can happen in Northern England. NRL is not competing with a sports behemoth like the EPL in NSW and Qlnd!

 

[Gobsmacked]

TV wants as many subscribers as it can get to justify the cost. Only an idiot would cut any club that was in top 6 for fanbases. They are the ones buying subscriptions!

Context is everything.

I think there's significant value in having 2 Hull teams. There’s something special about Hull as it relates to RL . I've been to Hull and watched Hull fc vs Saints. I was freezing my nuts off and it started snowing at half time. Saints absolutely dominated by that time, so I made my way to the local to warm up.
I remember a tribute to a former player or something and the absolute silence the entire crowd gave it- I've never witnessed 10k + in such silence, very moving.
That city is possibly the most rugby league mad city on earth- heaven for me.

I think it's actually a very bright spot for RL, unique and should be celebrated and protected forever. A little like Souths. It's kinda sacred.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Dont disagree but thats the harsh reality over there. Soccer sucks up the money and sponsors and other sports get fed the left overs. Union is going through the same financial strife and reduction in media revenue as league is. We can wish it was different but wishing doesn't make it happen.

Like I said London are a very good example of why the notion that adding a team into a city with no interest is fraught with sustainability issues. Despite being in the biggest city in the country, despite 27 years of SL exposure and funding and despite tens of millions of owner investment they still are no where near a sustainable top tier club. Not sure I can give a more clear example of what the reality is over there than the London Broncos.

And its all well and good to say 'yes it costs money' but the simple fact is SL does not have the money to be able to spend tens of millions of pounds a year on expansion clubs for the next 25 years.

NRL is now, finally, growing off the back of getting the heartlands sorted out and sustainable (taken 25 years), and even then its only happened on the back of some massive govt handouts.
But again its a totally different context and just because NRl has done it in NSW and Qlnd does not mean the same can happen in Northern England. NRL is not competing with a sports behemoth like the EPL in NSW and Qlnd!

London has changed ground, changed names, been in , been out.. hardly the mainstay brand that has been given the constant presence required to gain traction.
I think London will always struggle financially and for crowds but the comp has to remain present at the big end of town regardless, that's for the benefit of all the sponsors and participants in the comp. Any business that sees itself as big business has to have a presence in London.

 

[Perth Red]

London has changed ground, changed names, been in , been out.. hardly the mainstay brand that has been given the constant presence required to gain traction.
I think London will always struggle financially and for crowds but the comp has to remain present at the big end of town regardless, that's for the benefit of all the sponsors and participants in the comp. Any business that sees itself as big business has to have a presence in London.

Dont disagree but where does the RFL get the 3-4million pound a year to give them on top of the grant? The money just isnt there to carry expansion clubs.

 

[Perth Red]

London has changed ground, changed names, been in , been out.. hardly the mainstay brand that has been given the constant presence required to gain traction.
I think London will always struggle financially and for crowds but the comp has to remain present at the big end of town regardless, that's for the benefit of all the sponsors and participants in the comp. Any business that sees itself as big business has to have a presence in London.

If HFC can get back to top and HKR stay there the next few years will be insane in Hull. I remember the early 80's when the two clubs were battling for trophies.
HKR will have their biggest club avg of all time (143 years) this season.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Dont disagree but thats the harsh reality over there. Soccer sucks up the money and sponsors and other sports get fed the left overs. Union is going through the same financial strife and reduction in media revenue as league is. We can wish it was different but wishing doesn't make it happen.

Like I said London are a very good example of why the notion that adding a team into a city with no interest is fraught with sustainability issues. Despite being in the biggest city in the country, despite 27 years of SL exposure and funding and despite tens of millions of owner investment they still are no where near a sustainable top tier club. Not sure I can give a more clear example of what the reality is over there than the London Broncos.

And its all well and good to say 'yes it costs money' but the simple fact is SL does not have the money to be able to spend tens of millions of pounds a year on expansion clubs for the next 25 years.

NRL is now, finally, growing off the back of getting the heartlands sorted out and sustainable (taken 25 years), and even then its only happened on the back of some massive govt handouts.
But again its a totally different context and just because NRl has done it in NSW and Qlnd does not mean the same can happen in Northern England. NRL is not competing with a sports behemoth like the EPL in NSW and Qlnd!

And I do get the money thing.
These expansion options we all suggest won't work as things stand.
It going to need significant investment from the NRL.
I think the investment needs to be big enough to buy 51% of the league at least, then they can dictate a clear strategy for the comp over the next 30 years.
Or it starts a rebel organisation:
Offers a yearly grant guarantee to clubs for 30 years to sign upon invitation:
5 million pounds per club and own and run the expansion clubs. Offers for clubs to buy in ect.
Wigan
Saints
Warrington
Leeds
Hull kr
Catalans
Hull fc
* 2 buy in spots ( bids) York? Bradford?
3 NRL owned and operated expansion franchisees :
London
Toulouse
Dublin

 

[Perth Red]

And I do get the money thing.
These expansion options we all suggest won't work as things stand.
It going to need significant investment from the NRL.
I think the investment needs to be big enough to buy 51% of the league at least, then they can dictate a clear strategy for the comp over the next 30 years.
Or it starts a rebel organisation:
Offers a yearly grant guarantee to clubs for 30 years to sign upon invitation:
5 million pounds per club and own and run the expansion clubs. Offers for clubs to buy in ect.
Wigan
Saints
Warrington
Leeds
Hull kr
Catalans
Hull fc
* 2 buy in spots ( bids) York? Bradford?
3 NRL owned and operated expansion franchisees :
London
Toulouse
Dublin

Realistically that's going to cost the NRL 70million pounds a year. TV deal is 20million pounds ish. So that's a $100mill a year investment by NRL. Can you honestly see that ever happening?