The grand plan

[Perth Red]

Need to understand the history of rugby league in Australia

Nswrl became arl became nrl

Pretend Sydney is London and league is soccer

ah so if its historic its ok? Righto, well I guess seeing as the two Hull clubs are older than RL in Australia its ok for them to be there lol

 

[Perth Red]

Ireland and Scotland are Rugby areas, so there's talent there and a traditional rival to English that will spark a passion. A very cheap and short flight away.
You wouldn't know if it works until you try it..

I bet you didn't see Toronto pulling bigger crowds than half the comp did you?

We have tried it, numerous times, and its failed each time. Largely because the Sl just doesn't have the money to prop up new clubs whilst they build a sustainable business. And therefore these new clubs rely on investors who eventually get sick of pouring money down the drain. Paris, Sheffield, Gateshead, Wales, London, Toronto, Toulouse. Not like it hasnt been tried.
Like I said we have pretty clear evidence of the challenge when you look at London. 27 years in SL, tens of millions in investment, in England's biggest city, yet not even close to being a sustainable club. SL is very much stuck between a rock and a hard place. Too small to generate revenue needed, too revenue poor to grow.

I just hope they dont abandon the grading system. It for me is the key, make clubs grow their business to justify being in SL. Its by far the best chance to see clubs improve and new clubs come up that are ready for SL. Seeing clubs like mine, Leigh, Wakey etc that have traditionally been struggling clubs but now adding fans and vibrancy to SL is the answer. If we can get 14 strong clubs playing in front of full houses then we will be in a position to keep growing.

 

[Gobsmacked]

We have tried it, numerous times, and its failed each time. Largely because the Sl just doesn't have the money to prop up new clubs whilst they build a sustainable business. And therefore these new clubs rely on investors who eventually get sick of pouring money down the drain. Paris, Sheffield, Gateshead, Wales, London, Toronto, Toulouse. Not like it hasnt been tried.
Like I said we have pretty clear evidence of the challenge when you look at London. 27 years in SL, tens of millions in investment, in England's biggest city, yet not even close to being a sustainable club. SL is very much stuck between a rock and a hard place. Too small to generate revenue needed, too revenue poor to grow.

I just hope they dont abandon the grading system. It for me is the key, make clubs grow their business to justify being in SL. Its by far the best chance to see clubs improve and new clubs come up that are ready for SL.

You're just negative.

 

[Gobsmacked]

We have tried it, numerous times, and its failed each time. Largely because the Sl just doesn't have the money to prop up new clubs whilst they build a sustainable business. And therefore these new clubs rely on investors who eventually get sick of pouring money down the drain. Paris, Sheffield, Gateshead, Wales, London, Toronto, Toulouse. Not like it hasnt been tried.
Like I said we have pretty clear evidence of the challenge when you look at London. 27 years in SL, tens of millions in investment, in England's biggest city, yet not even close to being a sustainable club. SL is very much stuck between a rock and a hard place. Too small to generate revenue needed, too revenue poor to grow.

I just hope they dont abandon the grading system. It for me is the key, make clubs grow their business to justify being in SL. Its by far the best chance to see clubs improve and new clubs come up that are ready for SL. Seeing clubs like mine, Leigh, Wakey etc that have traditionally been struggling clubs but now adding fans and vibrancy to SL is the answer. If we can get 14 strong clubs playing in front of full houses then we will be in a position to keep growing.

 

[Perth Red]

 

[Wb1234]

ah so if its historic its ok? Righto, well I guess seeing as the two Hull clubs are older than RL in Australia its ok for them to be there lol

Only reason tiny village towns are in super league Is history

But still managed to expand to Melbourne nz and now png

Meanwhile super leegue failed in wales Sheffield Oldham Paris etc

One Sydney club now is approaching the broncos crowd average

 

[BuffaloRules]

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Only reason tiny village towns are in super league Is history

But still managed to expand to Melbourne nz and now png

Meanwhile super leegue failed in wales Sheffield Oldham Paris etc

One Sydney club now is approaching the broncos crowd average

What I don’t get is that a city of 10 million ( London) can’t get 10,000 to show up to a RL club game there ? I thought there would be many more northerners living there for a start …

 

[Wb1234]

I was basing It on the current comp expenditure and income. This is additional spending on top of current that would need to happen to move SL to be something else.

sure eventually you’d be hoping to see increased media and sponsorship revenue, but like I’ve said there’s no guarantees in that given what a hoover soccer is of those funding sources.

im not anti growth at all, quite the opposite. But I am a realist unlike others who throw ideas like Dublin and Glasgow out there as some panacea to English rugby leagues problems.

it’s as stupid as saying nrl needs teams in shanghai, Singapore and Beijing when they can’t even get the game popular in half of australia Where they have some competition.

Be a realist about Perth

 

[Wb1234]

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What I don’t get is that a city of 10 million ( London) can’t get 10,000 to show up to a RL club game there ? I thought there would be many more northerners living there for a start …

Soccer dominated/obsessed

Even many pro union clubs like London Irish have moved out.

Also London club owner was clueless and club moved ground every few years

Like moving from eastern suburbs to parramatta to Cronulla

Best success was playing at Fulham

Nice ground but then when they got promoted broncos got booted out

There was a ground London skolars played at in twickenham which they could’ve bought and been based there and built from it

Most traditional super league clubs don’t average 10k anyway

 

[BuffaloRules]

Soccer dominated/obsessed

Even many pro union clubs like London Irish have moved out.

Also London club owner was clueless and club moved ground every few years

Like moving from eastern suburbs to parramatta to Cronulla

Best success was playing at Fulham

Nice ground but then when they got promoted broncos got booted out

There was a ground London skolars played at in twickenham which they could’ve bought and been based there and built from it

Surely there isn’t a place as obsessed with their particular sport as Melbourne , and even they can get a crowd to an RL game now

 

[Gobsmacked]

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[Wb1234]

Surely there isn’t a place as obsessed with their particular sport as Melbourne , and even they can get a crowd to an RL game now

News corp 100 million plus the nrl grant v salary cap is way higher

Plus been most successful nrl club ever

London not impossible just very hard work

And now the rich owner is gone and they are playing at an expensive soccer ground with crowds of 2k or less

Ground situation has always been an issue

 

[BuffaloRules]

News corp 100 million plus the nrl grant v salary cap is way higher

Plus been most successful nrl club ever

London not impossible just very hard work

And now the rich owner is gone and they are playing at an expensive soccer ground with crowds of 2k or less

Ground situation has always been an issue

Do you remember Olympic Park the Storms first ground ?

The money is relative …provided they are competing on a even basis same as the opposition with the grant and cap

 

[Perth Red]

Be a realist about Perth

We're in, get over it lol

 

[Perth Red]

You're just negative.

Or maybe I'm a realist that looks at failures past to not repeat them.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Or maybe I'm a realist that looks at failures past to not repeat them.

If you did something shit ..
Yeah! Don't do it shit again..

You lot do things shit.

 

[Wb1234]

Do you remember Olympic Park the Storms first ground ?

The money is relative …provided they are competing on a even basis same as the opposition with the grant and cap

Londons issue is they need to find a suitable ground and stick to that part of London forever

Plough lane ain’t it

Gary hetherington is probably the best ceo in super league so we will see if he gets any proper investors

There’s been rumours nrl clubs would come in but once they see how much the club loses they back off

It’s one club down south with no super league clubs in the midlands it’s a huge outpost

 

[Perth Red]

Londons issue is they need to find a suitable ground and stick to that part of London forever

Plough lane ain’t it

Gary hetherington is probably the best ceo in super league so we will see if he gets any proper investors

There’s been rumours nrl clubs would come in but once they see how much the club loses they back off

It’s one club down south with no super league clubs in the midlands it’s a huge outpost

What makes you think Plough Lane cant be it?

1. Perfect size
2. Modern stadium
3. Good public transport connections
4. Owned by Council so not at the whim of a club owner
5. Not far from Clapham and Brixton where they could do community work and engage the disaffected youth.
6. Wimbledon and Battersea nicer areas for players and staff to live.

IF they get back into SL it seems a perfect stadium for them to build a fanbase at.

 

[Wb1234]

What makes you think Plough Lane cant be it?

1. Perfect size
2. Modern stadium
3. Good public transport connections
4. Owned by Council so not at the whim of a club owner

IF they get back into SL it seems a perfect stadium for them to build a fanbase at.

Rent is expensive
New area with no roots in the local community
Doesn’t the club or a group associated with the club own it

They need their own stadium even if it starts out as all scaffolding

Club at that ground will be losing millions pa

Stadium itself is nice and a good size

The money David Hughes has blown they already could have a good stadium they own now

Ealing was a dump but the union club were very accomodating

If the soccer club owned them and didn’t charge them rent then sure it would work then

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I'm putting context to dumb comparative arguments. Its as stupid as saying that MLS should be much bigger as EPL is way ahead of it and America has 6 times the population. Why cant it be as big as EPL?

I agree, I don't expect SL to be as big as the NRL even on a per capita basis. But I think if you are already up against it with EPL in your country, it's even more critical that the game is extremely well run and everyone is rowing in the same direction. Even with the EPL, RL could be so much bigger in England simply by running the game better. IMG have had some good ideas and the Ashes and Vegas certainly help.