Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[Mother Nature's Son]

Which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. And I could see PVL suggesting something like this to maximise money.

Nope. The legislative requirements are incredibly clear I'm afraid. They won't be able to circumvent it that way due to the definitions embedded into the Broadcasting Act 1992.

Yeah the streamers tried to get this through during the review into the anti-syphoning that was held last year and were knocked back. I don`t think it`s far off though. Kind of makes sense the way tv viewing is going.

 

[beave]

I only have to subject myself to ch9 4 times a year for RL.....and frankly it's 4 times too many.

I pray for the day origins and the GF can be simulcast on Fox/DAZN/whoever.

 

[siv]

Rugby league football

Men’s matches

(1) Each match in the National Rugby League Premiership, including the Finals Series.

(2) Each match in the National Rugby League State of Origin Series.

Women’s matches

(3) Each match in the Finals Series of the National Rugby League Women’s Premiership.

(4) Each match in the National Rugby League Women’s State of Origin Series.

Men’s and women’s matches

(5) Each men’s or women’s international rugby league test match that:

(a) involves the senior Australian representative team; and

(b) is played in Australia or New Zealand.

(6) Each men’s or women’s match in the Rugby League World Cup that:

(a) involves the senior Australian representative team; and

(b) is played in Australia, New Zealand or Papua New Guinea.

Interesting wording

 

[Éamonn an Chnoic]

This isnt absolutely event specific but it is the list of the 10 sport types subject to anti syphoning:

"The Australian anti-siphoning list includes the Olympic and Commonwealth Games, the Melbourne Cup, AFL and NRL grand finals, the State of Origin series, and all matches of the Rugby World Cup and FIFA World Cup involving the senior Australian representative teams. Other events like Test matches in cricket and rugby union, and the Australian Open tennis tournament are also listed"

Love him or hate him, Paul Keating was a genius! He could see sh*t we couldnt even dream of.

He saw the PayTV wars coming years before they did (he even set up to prevent a monopoly, before Howard just gave it all to Murdoch)

at least he got this in place to keep NRL partly on TV before Murdoch strangled the league

 

[Éamonn an Chnoic]

The anti-siphoning list and its legislative underpinnings are unique to Australia. Many have looked at it, to the best of my knowledge, none of them have copied it.

All it has done is propped up FTA TV to the detriment of the sports and events contained in the list. It ensures that the FTA channels can minimise their costs as effectively there are only ever 3 bidders (mx) for the event. Its only if they don't want to televise it that it comes off the list.

I mean do people serious think that the English Premier League is disadvantaged by not being on free to air TV in the UK? In the US, noty having such a scheme ensures they can maximise TV revenue by having subscription TV services compete with FTA networks there.

Until things change here, you will wind up with the plodding coverage we get on FTA networks, whether it be Nine, Seven or Tenas they have little competition giving them incentive to improve.

Think of the FTA games like an 80 minute advertisement.

if it all gets locked behind paywalls, then the came stagnates with no new fans coming in.

similcasting is the furthest it should go

 

[T-Boon]

I've never understood the word syphoning in this context.

 

[T-Boon]

I think with the gradual decline in interest in cricket (noting this season is an ashes season) Vlandis needs to get a summer nines type RL comp going that would compete with T20 not Test cricket (on in the evening).

 

[BuffaloRules]

I think with the gradual decline in interest in cricket (noting this season is an ashes season) Vlandis needs to get a summer nines type RL comp going that would compete with T20 not Test cricket (on in the evening).

sometimes absence makes the heart grow fonder …

having no names playing in a Mickey Mouse comp in the summer heat won’t do much to move the needle in my view …

cricket is in trouble because they play too much of this meaningless crap

 

[T-Boon]

sometimes absence makes the heart grow fonder …

having no names playing in a Mickey Mouse comp in the summer heat won’t do much to move the needle in my view …

cricket is in trouble because they play too much of this meaningless crap

Fair point.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Think of the FTA games like an 80 minute advertisement.

if it all gets locked behind paywalls, then the came stagnates with no new fans coming in.

similcasting is the furthest it should go

Yes, it's really caused the English Premier League to stagnate eh, ever since it got like behind the BSKYB paywall in 1992

 

[Dogs Of War]

Yes, it's really caused the English Premier League to stagnate eh, ever since it got like behind the BSKYB paywall in 1992

UK has a much higher penatration for Pay TV than Australia does. Plus Soccer has killed pretty much all secondary sports over there in the media. It's very hard when Soccer runs the news cycle so hard. It's not helped Rugby league to be behind the paywall. Even with challenge cup games on free to air. Bit like when Union went behind the paywall here, that saw a lot of fall off in interest.

 

[T-Boon]

UK has a much higher penatration for Pay TV than Australia does. Plus Soccer has killed pretty much all secondary sports over there in the media. It's very hard when Soccer runs the news cycle so hard. It's not helped Rugby league to be behind the paywall. Even with challenge cup games on free to air. Bit like when Union went behind the paywall here, that saw a lot of fall off in interest.

Yep. What A-League and Rugby did with going off free to air and Fox, it meant everyone except the hard-core fans of those sports / competition totally lost contact with the sport. For example, I am a pretty big sports fan and I watched Wallabies v All Blacks last week and there was a big farewell for a player named Sleeper/Slipper who is our 3rd most capped Wallaby ever. I had never heard of him. When Rugby was on free to air or fox I knew many of the players.
It may work out better for the NRL provided there is a guaranteed 4 games at least on free to air but it is still a big if.

 

[Captain Apollo]

UK has a much higher penatration for Pay TV than Australia does. Plus Soccer has killed pretty much all secondary sports over there in the media. It's very hard when Soccer runs the news cycle so hard. It's not helped Rugby league to be behind the paywall. Even with challenge cup games on free to air. Bit like when Union went behind the paywall here, that saw a lot of fall off in interest.

One of the reasons it has a higher penetration is that the UK doesn't have anti-siphoning provisions. The long term effect of this legislative scsheme has been to prop up free to air TV INB Australia at the expense of the sports. You seem, wedded to FTA broadcasters. Whilst you support such a scheme, you will wind up with the dross they serve up, which is the lowest cost crap they think they can get away with.

Go to the USA, NBA, NFL, NHL, most of its games are behind paywalls. yet people sign up for subscription TV services there and its sports have some of the greatest TV revenues around. FTA networks there, due to the competition, know they can't just do low budget crap shows if they want viewers and to keep up advertising revenues. Whilst this scheme persists in Australia, it condemns broadcasting to its mediocrity as the FTA networks no incentive to change.

Anyway, I'll leave it there as I think we're straying away from the main part of the topic (even though it has been interesting to discuss ).

 

[kurt faulk]

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The nfl shows 4 games on fta every weekend. The local market always gets to see their team play in the afternoon. Plus Monday night football plays on fta.

I'd stay the way it is now for the nrl.

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[Warrimoo3]

It’s that time of the year to discuss potential tweaks to the rules to increase the game’s entertainment factor.

The first thing I’d do is acknowledge the effort both teams put in when there is a draw at full time. Each team should get 1 point to reward their effort. The NRL seem intent on retaining golden point but if the truth be told it is usually a mess in terms of a spectacle. The answer is simply to have golden try. The teams would attack from anywhere on the field knowing they have the safety net of 1 point already locked up. This would provide wildly exciting scenarios like the miracle of Mudgee.

Peter V says it’s all about entertainment. Well that would be entertaining to the max.

 

[Warrimoo3]

 

[Warrimoo3]

It’s well overdue to classify a 1 on 1 ankles tackle as a dominant tackle. We saw Hughes being tackled in the 1st half in the gf around the ankles only to get up quickly and draw a set restart. It’s very frustrating as someone who has watched league since 1970 to see a great ankles tackle not only get unrewarded but also getting punished by a quick ptb and the tackler ruled offside in the ruck giving the team in possession another advantage.

This would be a bit tricky to implement though. Maybe the tackled player should have to get to his feet and retreat so that the tackler becomes the marker. Worth testing in the trial matches.

 

[Dogs Of War]

One of the reasons it has a higher penetration is that the UK doesn't have anti-siphoning provisions. The long term effect of this legislative scsheme has been to prop up free to air TV INB Australia at the expense of the sports. You seem, wedded to FTA broadcasters. Whilst you support such a scheme, you will wind up with the dross they serve up, which is the lowest cost crap they think they can get away with.

Go to the USA, NBA, NFL, NHL, most of its games are behind paywalls. yet people sign up for subscription TV services there and its sports have some of the greatest TV revenues around. FTA networks there, due to the competition, know they can't just do low budget crap shows if they want viewers and to keep up advertising revenues. Whilst this scheme persists in Australia, it condemns broadcasting to its mediocrity as the FTA networks no incentive to change.

Anyway, I'll leave it there as I think we're straying away from the main part of the topic (even though it has been interesting to discuss ).

It also has the sub costs to go with it. For the Australian market which is much smaller, it's probably not something we want to see. I would see sports at some point have to fragment like NFL has done around multiple players just so they can get more money. But with some of the best rating games available on free to air, it takes away some of that gloss.

But I did say, I think it's one thing for the pay TV providers to be putting pressure on the govt to allow them to push those events onto pay tv, but outside the firewall so all could watch. It will take the sports themselves to push for that change though. And I'm not sure that is something either on the main players want to do at this point, and it wouldn't go down well with the fans.

 

[Trifili13]

It’s well overdue to classify a 1 on 1 ankles tackle as a dominant tackle. We saw Hughes being tackled in the 1st half in the gf around the ankles only to get up quickly and draw a set restart. It’s very frustrating as someone who has watched league since 1970 to see a great ankles tackle not only get unrewarded but also getting punished by a quick ptb and the tackler ruled offside in the ruck giving the team in possession another advantage.

This would be a bit tricky to implement though. Maybe the tackled player should have to get to his feet and retreat so that the tackler becomes the marker. Worth testing in the trial matches.

Agree with you. A classic legs tackle gets penalised, but 4 blokes falling asleep on a player are allowed to peel off 1 by 1 while the defensive line gets set is OK.

Imagine how much better the game would be if the administrators fixed up the refereeing, bunker, judiciary and stuff like giving teams 7 tackles just because a ball touched the dead ball line.

 

[Warrimoo3]

Peter V should just instruct the referees to let the games flow. Minimal penalties and get rid of pedantic nitpicking. It’s as simple as that. No need for useless layers of bureaucracy like a referees’ boss. Fans want to see teams battle for field position and tries ,not getting them giftwrapped via imaginary head high tackle penalties , penalties against a player 1 step offside , penalties for slowing down a ruck which is faster than most rucks etc and dubious multiple set restarts.

Referees and the NRL seem to be on totally different pages in terms of what represents entertainment. Different books even.