Next TV deal discussion 2028 -

[Wb1234]

"the NRL could barely defend the Giants taking over Western Sydney" was your claim.

None of the above refutes that.

It just outlines what the AFL did and one ask from Gould.

The game was incredibly strong at the time. Dipped mid 2010s (so, ten years ago) before resurging pre- and post-COVID

It was way behind afl

They literally had close to double the tv deal

Titans went broke and easily afl could’ve taken over the Gold Coast

If afl did take over the Gold Coast that would’ve been a massive blow for league

Same if the giants could’ve been as popular as the swans

Even now with all the records being set Afl receives from Foxtel over double what nrl receives and league dominates the top 100

Afl had a red hot crack at western Sydney and Queensland and had more money than they knew what to do with

Leagues been under siege for ages in its own heartlands until recently

Heck afl claim Queensland is theirs or soon will be lol

Until a few years ago they had net assets of 500 million to 800 million whilst league was lucky to have 50 million

Over the past two decades they’ve generated billions more in revenue than league has

Once league overtakes them in terms of total revenue then yeh I’ll be happy

Nrl has survived on the scent of an oily rag until recently and if the game wasn’t that good of a product then sure afl would’ve taken a huge chunk out of leagues heartland

 

[i0Nic]

in 2025, 2026 and 2027 the revenue gap between the afl and nrl will grow larger unfortunately due to afls generous tv deal kicking into effect this year.

Given the new tv deal in 2028 things will change then, but I think we still need a bigger focus on football and non football revenues to take over from afl.

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

in 2025, 2026 and 2027 the revenue gap between the afl and nrl will grow larger unfortunately due to afls generous tv deal kicking into effect this year.

Given the new tv deal in 2028 things will change then, but I think we still need a bigger focus on football and non football revenues to take over from afl.

Mightn`t be so bad if we go with the incumbents and they bring forward the new deal to coincide with the entry of Perth in 2027, might also be an opportunity to monetise other aspects of the game like the women, women`s Origin, Pac Cup etc.

 

[Canard]

in 2025, 2026 and 2027 the revenue gap between the afl and nrl will grow larger unfortunately due to afls generous tv deal kicking into effect this year.

Given the new tv deal in 2028 things will change then, but I think we still need a bigger focus on football and non football revenues to take over from afl.

Which for most clubs means pokies.

Interestingly both new expansion teams will have none of them.

 

[Perth Red]

Given DAZN have reneged on two contracts and are allegedly looking to do it again, I'd be very wary about signing anything long term with them, hopefully there are other options.

 

[Frank Burge]

I’m sure the nrl lawyers will be all over any contract and possible outs they include. As long as we are delivering our end of the deal it would be hard for them to back out.

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

I’m sure the nrl lawyers will be all over any contract and possible outs they include. As long as we are delivering our end of the deal it would be hard for them to back out.

Yes that`ll be interesting. V`landys might be trying to sell the `global growth` aspect of our game as compared to the pointed reference of the fumbles being a "domestic" sport in that earlier statement, that could involve a fair bit of speculation.

Trying to convince DAZN to get on board and pay big money is going to take a bit of salesmanship and projections about where their plans for the sport are heading.

I get the impression though Blavatnik and V`landys are similar sort of characters and Blavatnik might just buy into V`landys global plans for the sport, he`s obviously a risk-taker like our bloke both with aggressive global ambitions.

 

[Trifili13]

Yes that`ll be interesting. V`landys might be trying to sell the `global growth` aspect of our game as compared to the pointed reference of the fumbles being a "domestic" sport in that earlier statement, that could involve a fair bit of speculation.

Trying to convince DAZN to get on board and pay big money is going to take a bit of salesmanship and projections about where their plans for the sport are heading.

I get the impression though Blavatnik and V`landys are similar sort of characters and Blavatnik might just buy into V`landys global plans for the sport, he`s obviously a risk-taker like our bloke both with aggressive global ambitions.

Agree with alot you say and PVL trying to sell the growth the game is going through and future growth still available.

While there is growth in PNG and Pac Islands, is it worth enough new subscriptions for DAZN to pay for it? If we sell it into the UK, how many people that like league aren't watching/paying for it already? Same with say the USA?

Please don't take this out of context but PVL will need to sell it to DAZN (or any other broadcaster) that the game has growth in developed countries that can afford new subscriptions as DAZN is a business that is bleeding money and is it willing to back a sport with little global exposure in reality in the hope it is successful.

while most of us should be able to get a better broadcast deal than what the NRL currently gets, the big question is how high can PVL get it up to?

While Broncos and Dolphins crowds are great, has that translated into enough more new subscriptions for Foxtel or is the same people just watching more games? Natural population growth, people moving out of home or new people to the game and getting their own subscription obviously helps this.

Anyeay, interesting times over the next 12 months or so as the broadcast deal gets negotiated. Let's see what sort of leaks we get in the press, in what press and from which side of the discussion table.

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

While there is growth in PNG and Pac Islands, is it worth enough new subscriptions for DAZN to pay for it?

No one is kidding themselves that DAZN future growth lies in selling subscriptions into the Pacific, although if the NRL can become the dominant sport in the region it sends a very positive message to Blavatnik about the game`s ambitions and ability to achieve them.

If we sell it into the UK, how many people that like league aren't watching/paying for it already?

It is why here I can see the developing interest in northern hemisphere game and V`landys desire to be a part of shaping its future.
Catalans have been great but are limited in growth opportunities, Toulouse could be a completely different kettle of fish, much greater scope for development, I`d put London Broncos in the same basket.
Getting those two clubs up to competition winning level heavyweights size could transform the ability of the northern hemisphere game to promote and sell itself in both England and France.
Problem again of course is this is going to take a punt, doesn`t surprise me though that V`landys has stated publicly that Super League needs the two French teams and that Lockyer and Wechsel (and importantly Paul White and Garry Hetherington)are getting involved in the London Broncos. They`d all have the inside running on the NRL`s thinking.

 

[Gobsmacked]

Yes that`ll be interesting. V`landys might be trying to sell the `global growth` aspect of our game as compared to the pointed reference of the fumbles being a "domestic" sport in that earlier statement, that could involve a fair bit of speculation.

Trying to convince DAZN to get on board and pay big money is going to take a bit of salesmanship and projections about where their plans for the sport are heading.

I get the impression though Blavatnik and V`landys are similar sort of characters and Blavatnik might just buy into V`landys global plans for the sport, he`s obviously a risk-taker like our bloke both with aggressive global ambitions.

This is probably the best take.
100% V'landys is selling the global appeal for DANZ and it's hard to argue it doesn't have it..

Warriors in NZ, PNG Chiefs, Vegas, WCC in England and now we're looking at global round.. there's no ignoring the fact that a RL comp exist in England and France..
The NRL is growing, Perth, PNG and probably a second NZ side. SL is growing, adding 3 teams this year, 2 cities in England and 1 in France.
RL internationals are growing with a surging Samoa and Tonga ...

So on all fronts RL is growing on an international scale, while it's getting less than the code that is only ever going to be a domestic game expanding to Tasmania...

Global streaming giant DANZ would favor who:
RL - growing domesticly and internationally rapidly
AFL- ALL growth areas exhausted and limited to Australia.


DANZ is looking at the AFL like a TEMU package it didn't remember purchasing...

 

[Wb1234]

Yeh afl for decades has bragged about how its focussed just on Australia and now its coming back to bite them in the bum

Nrl could go to 24 or 26 teams and have massive ratings growth

Afl doesn’t have the players or fan base to go past 20

And as long as nobody is watching in nsw and qld they are going nowhere in Australia either and just will rely on population growth in afl states and inflation for any increases in their tv deal

They could even face a cut next time or no growth at all given Foxtel paid overs this time

 

[Frank Burge]

Monetisation of growth in other regions shouldn’t effect how much we get for our domestic and nz rights which should be $550-$600m per annum. If they want the rights for international markets and whatever turnover is generated by watch nrl, that should be on top of the new rights deal

 

[Wb1234]

Monetisation of growth in other regions shouldn’t effect how much we get for our domestic and nz rights which should be $550-$600m per annum. If they want the rights for international markets and whatever turnover is generated by watch nrl, that should be on top of the new rights deal

Way too low

Foxtel on their own should be 450 million and that’s not even factoring expansion teams

Nine 170 million and sky nz 40 million

And that’s still on the low side imo

PNG they will monetise via app or Telstra owned digicel pacific could come in for 10 to 20 million pa

Still leaves a lot of room next time for growth

 

[Perth Red]

I can’t believe nrl charge $960 for watch nrl for a year, not surprised they don’t have much of an overseas following!

 

[BuffaloRules]

I can’t believe nrl charge $960 for watch nrl for a year, not surprised they don’t have much of an overseas following!

Outrageous if true …by comparison NFL game pass is half that in Aus…

 

[newc18]

I can’t believe nrl charge $960 for watch nrl for a year, not surprised they don’t have much of an overseas following!

Yeah that's terrible if true. I remember NBA league pass used to cost a fortune, it's a lot better these days. The NRL should be charging it at a similar price as a Kayo subscription.

 

[Canard]

Yeah that's terrible if true. I remember NBA league pass used to cost a fortune, it's a lot better these days. The NRL should be charging it at a similar price as a Kayo subscription.

$175 for an annual NBA league pass.

That's for 2460 Regular season games + Playoffs

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

I can’t believe nrl charge $960 for watch nrl for a year, not surprised they don’t have much of an overseas following!

Odd since it was PVL who made a fuss about the cost of jerseys and costs of local subscriptions.
Obviously cost isn`t considered so much of an issue when you can afford to live overseas, obviously this is the market Watch NRL is currently aimed at.
You`d think they might have rethought that policy given that the game is trying to capture new audiences.

 

[T to the T]

I can’t believe nrl charge $960 for watch nrl for a year, not surprised they don’t have much of an overseas following!

WTF are you on about. I live in Wales and have a WatchNRL subscription and that costs me AU$229.

Why lie? Why are you determined to smear the NRL at every opportunity?

 

[T to the T]

Perth Red full of fücking shit as per usual