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The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

Steel Saints

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Sorry mate didn’t see this post initially.

I think you are more likely to get a stadium upgrade in the Central Coast for sure. Give them an added tenant with the Mariners then that’s possible.

QLD also although a lot of that money is going to be tied up with the Olympics..

The South Australian Premier seems very proactive in getting events to that state so again not a bad shout.

Christchurch would solve a dilemma for the NRL. If we go there then the NRL could simply add another SE QLD side for the 20th team.

The last option which would be the most palatable for Raiders fans (and Brumbies fans) would be finding somewhere close to Canberra. That would be difficult though but you could stick it to the ACT.

Central Coast stadium is already 26 years old. If the Raiders were to move there, it would be on the basis that the stadium will get an upgrade. Otherwise the club could be in the same position in 15 to 20 years time as they are today. Although personally I just get the feeling that one Sydney club may eventually relocate there one day.

Christchurch stadium will open for events next month. It will be interesting to see what sort of impact the stadium has in Christchurch over the next two to three years. It would provide a valuable insight to the ACT government and the opposition. A perfect lead in to the 2028 ACT election.
 

Colk

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Central Coast stadium is already 26 years old. If the Raiders were to move there, it would be on the basis that the stadium will get an upgrade. Otherwise the club could be in the same position in 15 to 20 years time as they are today. Although personally I just get the feeling that one Sydney club may eventually relocate there one day.

Christchurch stadium will open for events next month. It will be interesting to see what sort of impact the stadium has in Christchurch over the next two to three years. It would provide a valuable insight to the ACT government and the opposition. A perfect lead in to the 2028 ACT election.

On the first point, I would just back the NSW government to be a lot more open than the ACT government to fund an upgrade. You may be right but the only one in a similar desperate state would be the Sharks. Every other club in Sydney is probably well catered, bar Manly and Sharks.

They (the ACT government) have already gone over to Christchurch to see the stadium. I think Barr’s comments a few days ago and his previous estimations of $3 billion (estimate something so ludicrous to frighten the public against it) pretty much show that the ACT government is really against it. That’s fine also from their perspective: they don’t own the stadium, they just maintain it.
 

Wb1234

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Central Coast stadium is already 26 years old. If the Raiders were to move there, it would be on the basis that the stadium will get an upgrade. Otherwise the club could be in the same position in 15 to 20 years time as they are today. Although personally I just get the feeling that one Sydney club may eventually relocate there one day.

Christchurch stadium will open for events next month. It will be interesting to see what sort of impact the stadium has in Christchurch over the next two to three years. It would provide a valuable insight to the ACT government and the opposition. A perfect lead in to the 2028 ACT election.
Gosford is a pretty good stadium though

Only weakness is old school corporate facilities vs the newer stadiums which limit how much money clubs can make
 

Steel Saints

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On the first point, I would just back the NSW government to be a lot more open than the ACT government to fund an upgrade. You may be right but the only one in a similar desperate state would be the Sharks. Every other club in Sydney is probably well catered, bar Manly and Sharks.

They (the ACT government) have already gone over to Christchurch to see the stadium. I think Barr’s comments a few days ago and his previous estimations of $3 billion (estimate something so ludicrous to frighten the public against it) pretty much show that the ACT government is really against it. That’s fine also from their perspective: they don’t own the stadium, they just maintain it.

"previous estimations of $3 billion". Could Barr provide a cost breakdown of a $3 billion stadium, or he simply just made it up. Also with recent incidents like roof leaking and broken glass windows, the government isn't maintaining the stadium either.

Anyway, a team should relocate due to their own mismanagement, not the government.
 

Colk

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"previous estimations of $3 billion". Could Barr provide a cost breakdown of a $3 billion stadium, or he simply just made it up. Also with recent incidents like roof leaking and broken glass windows, the government isn't maintaining the stadium either.

Anyway, a team should relocate due to their own mismanagement, not the government.

It was from a report from one of their feasibility studies. They have had several


Perhaps but you are in a way impacted by external factors, not always by internal mismanagement; although sometimes they can intertwine.
 

Wb1234

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Raiders are paid money by the act govt anyway to play games at Bruce

I think the total is on par with what the gws get for 3 games so they can’t move many games away anyway and shouldn’t

Pressure needs to be put on the govt and get Albo involved. Politicians all cave if enough pressure is put on.
 

Desert Qlder

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Need Canberra to win a premiership and for Stuart and Tapine to say we need a new stadium on the podium. Worked for Thurston.
 

Barney Stubble

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Raiders are paid money by the act govt anyway to play games at Bruce

I think the total is on par with what the gws get for 3 games so they can’t move many games away anyway and shouldn’t

Pressure needs to be put on the govt and get Albo involved. Politicians all cave if enough pressure is put on.
Katy Gallaher has said several times now, the ACT govt needs to put in a business case for federal funding & I can assure you if they did , the Feds would do their part
But Barr refuses to undertake the most basic of steps required to even get a plan for a stadium underway.

just won't do it
 

Barney Stubble

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The Raiders spoke about playing all their home games against SE QLD opponents in QLD
2 at Suncorp , 1 at Robina
Both as a protest at the lack of progress with the Stadium & .. as a $ making exercise

maybe time to make that happen , it would get unfavourable headlines down here & continue the pressure on Barr
 

Wb1234

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Katy Gallaher has said several times now, the ACT govt needs to put in a business case for federal funding & I can assure you if they did , the Feds would do their part
But Barr refuses to undertake the most basic of steps required to even get a plan for a stadium underway.

just won't do it
That’s good the Albo govt is supportive maybe something will come from it
 
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'I'd hate for something catastrophic to happen': Could safety fears push Raiders, Brumbies to Manuka after all?​


We didn't say it. You did, Chief Minister.
Now we can't help but wonder - what would happen if Canberra Stadium no longer met requirements to host NRL and Super Rugby matches?

ACT leader Andrew Barr answered the question himself when Member for Yerrabi James Milligan asked at the Legislative Assembly last week what "Plan B" would be in such a scenario where two major codes deemed the stadium not up to scratch.
"That's a hypothetical question because neither organisation [NRL or Super Rugby] has made such a suggestion, but Manuka Oval is of course available for elite sport," the Chief Minister replied.

"It has hosted games in the past and there are other rectangular football venues in the city."
It was a response that drew the ire of Raiders coach Ricky Stuart, who called Barr's comments "disrespectful" and "ridiculous".
So is Manuka Oval really now an option on the table for NRL and Super Rugby? Will this be a situation just like when the AIS Arena closed for all events for four years due to safety upgrades?
And is accepting all of this the future that Canberrans want for elite sports in the nation's capital?



A Manuka move from Bruce seems it would be a spectacular confirmation of what has been debated and reported about for years - that Canberra Stadium had finally met its end, and was deemed no longer fit for purpose, even as no similarly sized replacement option was available in the capital.
It's a grim scenario, but it could be one the two biggest teams in Canberra - the Raiders and Brumbies - have to confront as concerns about the condition of the stadium are at an all-time high.
Between a leaking roof, concrete cancer, asbestos, foul smells, lights that need upgrades and last week's headline-grabbing images of water dripping from ceiling cracks and change room smoke alarms, along with shattering glass windows that injured a coach, Canberra Stadium has given many reasons over the years that it is a legitimate safety concern.
But as Rugby League Players Association (RLPA) chief executive Clint Newton concluded: "Now more than ever, this is probably at its lowest ebb."
The RLPA is currently investigating further with the NRL if the minimum standards set out in the code's operations manual are being met, and if not, Newton is calling for that to be rectified.
He questioned the state of facilities at Canberra Stadium and whether the safety of players was being jeopardised.
As the RLPA rallies to work with the NRL and other sporting code unions such as the Rugby Union Players Association and the Professional Footballers Association, Newton was worried about the situation being ignored to a point where a more dangerous outcome could unfold.

"I'd hate for something catastrophic to happen," he told The Canberra Times.
"It can often wait for things to get so bad for change to happen. We've seen these more recent issues shine a brighter light on the ongoing concerns."

An annual player survey revealed that between Canberra Stadium and the best-ranked NRL venue in the country as voted by RLPA members - Lang Park - there's a huge difference.
"We asked them different things associated with their workplace, the environment and facilities, and based on our survey match-day facilities for the Raiders are an issue for the whole playing group collectively," Newton said.

"By comparison to the top-ranked venue in the league for areas like the change rooms, there is more than a 30 per cent difference between the Raiders' home ... it's a big drop-off.
"How that impacts the Raiders is their ability to attract and retain the best talent if their facilities are sub-standard or performing poorly.
"It's obviously further deteriorated recently and that's a major issue."

Newtown said the safety of players whether the home or away team was of "paramount" importance though, making the issues plaguing Canberra Stadium not just a concern for the Raiders.

"It's imperative like in any workplace, that they are provided with a safe workplace," he said.
"Some of the stuff we've spoken about is leaks throughout the sheds, and having to steer clear of areas because of it, particularly the strapping area.
"Around the stadium too member families can be affected with drainage issues as we've seen, causing cascading water flowing into the seating.
"There's also water dripping out of smoke alarms which is potentially an electrical and fire hazard.
"All we can do is present the information, and obviously, ask for a 'please explain' on the conditions, are they fit for purpose, and do they meet standards that every worker should expect?

"Our players are extremely tolerant, but if we've got a situation that is potentially unsafe or a hazard in their workplace, then that's a problem."

Newton argued for greater government investment, which he said had a proven return at other rugby league venues around the country, and that NRL facilities must keep up with the expectations put on players to deliver a captivating billion-dollar sporting product.
"It's not just about entertainment, it's still a workplace that provides work opportunities and it's a multibillion-dollar industry that gives back to communities," he said.
As much as Manuka Oval is available for much of the NRL and Super Rugby season and is a venue used for professional sport at the top level, there are numerous issues that emerge by pursuing that route.
For one, the Raiders would be cutting their home game gate revenue potential in half - and its corporate hospitality too - with Manuka Oval's capacity around 15000. Last year the Raiders averaged 18446 at 11 regular season home games.
The Brumbies could be better placed to deal with the reduced capacity with Super Rugby games in Canberra attracting a smaller audience, but other hurdles remain.

The facilities and ground lay-out are geared towards use by cricket and AFL, rather than rugby league or rugby union. The hint is in the oval shape of the ground.
Then there's the concerns about Manuka Oval's ability to cater for sellouts at maximum capacity with toilet availability and limited food and drink outlet options all major issues in the past.
The inner-city ground unfortunately doesn't have as much parking available as Bruce either, which could be a headache for fans and surrounding residents.
As for Seiffert Oval, there's a capacity of 15000 with only 2000 seated, and Viking Park can have 7000 people but only 1000 seated and its broadcast capabilities are extremely limited. McKellar Park and Deakin Stadium are even smaller and not used for rugby league or union.

ACT member for Ginninderra Peter Cain last week put forward probing questions on notice to Barr and Sports Minister Yvette Berry about Canberra Stadium.
Six detailed submissions covered questions about whether an occupational hygienist was engaged to assess workplace health risks, clarification was sought on construction code standards, safety glass requirements and even if mould and air quality assessments were conducted in recent years.
One submission also concentrates on seeking answers to Barr's assertion in July last year that Canberra Stadium still has a decade of life remaining, even though previous government reports indicated its "use-by" date was "around 2027".
The Canberra Liberals have already pushed the government to conduct an independent condition and safety audit after WorkSafe ACT was called into the venue following an embarrassing month for the capital's premier stadium.
Canberra Stadium has never been in such spotlight, with national attention from both politics and sport's leading figures.
But those that use the stadium - fans, teams, businesses and broadcasters - could find this path to answers and conclusions leads to an only rockier road ahead.
 

Jonno

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Whats the best idea anyway for a Suncorp redevelopment?

Fill in the gaps on the 3rd level ?
Replace the roof?
(edit: Added Scoreboard and filled in with additional seating)
Replace the aging Western Stand which was built in 1994?
Scoreboard.jpg
 
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Whats the best idea anyway for a Suncorp redevelopment?

Fill in the gaps on the 3rd level ?
Replace the roof?
Replace the aging Western Stand which was built in 1994?
IMG-2920.jpg
from what i understand it seems like filling gaps in corners is most viable. apparently there is capability for it.
current roof structure apparently goes through corner pillars as well so who knows what that does by adding weight to those pillars. western stand apparently houses all critical operations for stadium function. been stated that if ya knock that down ya might as well knock whole thing down.
@Red&BlackBear has provided in depth detail on this subject. search his name and word "suncorp"
 

Jonno

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Whatever it seems ,the roof supports and roof must go to improve the capacity.
Maybe that can be done while maintaining the Western Stand but give it that its already over 32 years old, something needs to be done.
 

mongoose

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'I'd hate for something catastrophic to happen': Could safety fears push Raiders, Brumbies to Manuka after all?​


We didn't say it. You did, Chief Minister.
Now we can't help but wonder - what would happen if Canberra Stadium no longer met requirements to host NRL and Super Rugby matches?

ACT leader Andrew Barr answered the question himself when Member for Yerrabi James Milligan asked at the Legislative Assembly last week what "Plan B" would be in such a scenario where two major codes deemed the stadium not up to scratch.
"That's a hypothetical question because neither organisation [NRL or Super Rugby] has made such a suggestion, but Manuka Oval is of course available for elite sport," the Chief Minister replied.

"It has hosted games in the past and there are other rectangular football venues in the city."
It was a response that drew the ire of Raiders coach Ricky Stuart, who called Barr's comments "disrespectful" and "ridiculous".
So is Manuka Oval really now an option on the table for NRL and Super Rugby? Will this be a situation just like when the AIS Arena closed for all events for four years due to safety upgrades?
And is accepting all of this the future that Canberrans want for elite sports in the nation's capital?



A Manuka move from Bruce seems it would be a spectacular confirmation of what has been debated and reported about for years - that Canberra Stadium had finally met its end, and was deemed no longer fit for purpose, even as no similarly sized replacement option was available in the capital.
It's a grim scenario, but it could be one the two biggest teams in Canberra - the Raiders and Brumbies - have to confront as concerns about the condition of the stadium are at an all-time high.
Between a leaking roof, concrete cancer, asbestos, foul smells, lights that need upgrades and last week's headline-grabbing images of water dripping from ceiling cracks and change room smoke alarms, along with shattering glass windows that injured a coach, Canberra Stadium has given many reasons over the years that it is a legitimate safety concern.
But as Rugby League Players Association (RLPA) chief executive Clint Newton concluded: "Now more than ever, this is probably at its lowest ebb."
The RLPA is currently investigating further with the NRL if the minimum standards set out in the code's operations manual are being met, and if not, Newton is calling for that to be rectified.
He questioned the state of facilities at Canberra Stadium and whether the safety of players was being jeopardised.
As the RLPA rallies to work with the NRL and other sporting code unions such as the Rugby Union Players Association and the Professional Footballers Association, Newton was worried about the situation being ignored to a point where a more dangerous outcome could unfold.

"I'd hate for something catastrophic to happen," he told The Canberra Times.
"It can often wait for things to get so bad for change to happen. We've seen these more recent issues shine a brighter light on the ongoing concerns."

An annual player survey revealed that between Canberra Stadium and the best-ranked NRL venue in the country as voted by RLPA members - Lang Park - there's a huge difference.
"We asked them different things associated with their workplace, the environment and facilities, and based on our survey match-day facilities for the Raiders are an issue for the whole playing group collectively," Newton said.

"By comparison to the top-ranked venue in the league for areas like the change rooms, there is more than a 30 per cent difference between the Raiders' home ... it's a big drop-off.
"How that impacts the Raiders is their ability to attract and retain the best talent if their facilities are sub-standard or performing poorly.
"It's obviously further deteriorated recently and that's a major issue."

Newtown said the safety of players whether the home or away team was of "paramount" importance though, making the issues plaguing Canberra Stadium not just a concern for the Raiders.

"It's imperative like in any workplace, that they are provided with a safe workplace," he said.
"Some of the stuff we've spoken about is leaks throughout the sheds, and having to steer clear of areas because of it, particularly the strapping area.
"Around the stadium too member families can be affected with drainage issues as we've seen, causing cascading water flowing into the seating.
"There's also water dripping out of smoke alarms which is potentially an electrical and fire hazard.
"All we can do is present the information, and obviously, ask for a 'please explain' on the conditions, are they fit for purpose, and do they meet standards that every worker should expect?

"Our players are extremely tolerant, but if we've got a situation that is potentially unsafe or a hazard in their workplace, then that's a problem."

Newton argued for greater government investment, which he said had a proven return at other rugby league venues around the country, and that NRL facilities must keep up with the expectations put on players to deliver a captivating billion-dollar sporting product.
"It's not just about entertainment, it's still a workplace that provides work opportunities and it's a multibillion-dollar industry that gives back to communities," he said.
As much as Manuka Oval is available for much of the NRL and Super Rugby season and is a venue used for professional sport at the top level, there are numerous issues that emerge by pursuing that route.
For one, the Raiders would be cutting their home game gate revenue potential in half - and its corporate hospitality too - with Manuka Oval's capacity around 15000. Last year the Raiders averaged 18446 at 11 regular season home games.
The Brumbies could be better placed to deal with the reduced capacity with Super Rugby games in Canberra attracting a smaller audience, but other hurdles remain.

The facilities and ground lay-out are geared towards use by cricket and AFL, rather than rugby league or rugby union. The hint is in the oval shape of the ground.
Then there's the concerns about Manuka Oval's ability to cater for sellouts at maximum capacity with toilet availability and limited food and drink outlet options all major issues in the past.
The inner-city ground unfortunately doesn't have as much parking available as Bruce either, which could be a headache for fans and surrounding residents.
As for Seiffert Oval, there's a capacity of 15000 with only 2000 seated, and Viking Park can have 7000 people but only 1000 seated and its broadcast capabilities are extremely limited. McKellar Park and Deakin Stadium are even smaller and not used for rugby league or union.

ACT member for Ginninderra Peter Cain last week put forward probing questions on notice to Barr and Sports Minister Yvette Berry about Canberra Stadium.
Six detailed submissions covered questions about whether an occupational hygienist was engaged to assess workplace health risks, clarification was sought on construction code standards, safety glass requirements and even if mould and air quality assessments were conducted in recent years.
One submission also concentrates on seeking answers to Barr's assertion in July last year that Canberra Stadium still has a decade of life remaining, even though previous government reports indicated its "use-by" date was "around 2027".
The Canberra Liberals have already pushed the government to conduct an independent condition and safety audit after WorkSafe ACT was called into the venue following an embarrassing month for the capital's premier stadium.
Canberra Stadium has never been in such spotlight, with national attention from both politics and sport's leading figures.
But those that use the stadium - fans, teams, businesses and broadcasters - could find this path to answers and conclusions leads to an only rockier road ahead.
What a piece of shit Barr is, he thinks the Raiders are some amateur park team that can just play on the local ovals. Not a professional sports team that relies on revenue from gate takings.
 
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Steel Saints

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Whats the best idea anyway for a Suncorp redevelopment?

Fill in the gaps on the 3rd level ?
Replace the roof?
Replace the aging Western Stand which was built in 1994?
IMG-2920.jpg

You probably need to replace the Western stand. Fill the gaps?. New roof? With replay boards, you could place them on the roof structure, just like Evertons new stadium.
 
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Sad for me to say this but the Raiders need to strong arm the government and start selling games to whoever wants them interstate. If Barr the AFL crony thinks he can simply dismiss the biggest sporting club in the city then he needs to think again. We need the NRL to back us on this and bring some heft

Barr's AFL links and ridiculous deals to bring the AFL to Canberra need to be investigated and brought before a commission. I hope anyone in the Sydney RL media reading these threads picks up the scent and starts shining the spotlight on this egregious merkin
 
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