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We all have answer to refs' shockers - it's that $200 box on the TV

El Diablo

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http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/new...0-box-on-the-tv/2009/03/23/1237656848891.html

We all have answer to refs' shockers - it's that $200 box on the TV

Roy Masters | March 24, 2009

A $200 set-top box could make rugby league almost perfect … on the field, anyway. Based on the quality of football in Channel Nine's coverage of the first two rounds, the players have rescued the code from the depths into which their colleagues plunged it, but this high standard will be undermined if the connection between the referees on the field and the man in the box is not improved.

Nothing causes players to lose confidence in officials more than the blatant knock-on by Broncos hooker Aaron Gorrell that preceded Brisbane's try in their 16-14 win over the Storm on Friday night. Neither referee saw the fumble and neither consulted the video referee before awarding the try for the simple reason their four eyes were expected to render the man upstairs obsolete during the normal course of the game.

A simple video recorder, set on 10-second delay, would solve the problem. If the video referee were to see something questionable as he watched the match from his window in real time, he could turn to check the vision on the recorder. Assuming it validates his suspicion, he would communicate the message to the chief referee via his headphones.

So, in the Broncos match, video referee Bill Harrigan would have barked out "knock-on" before referee Ben Cummins had blindly awarded the Peter Wallace try. Players from both teams stopped the moment Gorrell fumbled; sushi rolled off the paper plates of disappointed Brisbane supporters in the Suncorp Stadium boxes; Storm coach Craig Bellamy breathed a sigh of relief; and I headed to the fridge, expecting a scrum to be set, with the Storm feeding.

The knock-on was akin to a waiter dropping a tray of drinks in a crowded restaurant. Everyone stops and looks. Yet the two referees, concentrating only on the defence, missed the error by the attacking team. Ironically, the grapple tackle has cost the Storm in another game against the Broncos.

Because the two referees are so obsessed with ridding the game of the wrestle, they are not watching the team in possession. Knock-ons, obstructions, forward passes and walking off the mark are being missed as the referees take a microscopic view of every potential choke hold and chicken wing.

In the first two rounds of the season so far, up until last night's match, three out of the eight principal referees have blown just four penalties against the attacking team: Gavin Badger (1), Cummins (2) and Steve Lyons (1). In total, there have been 28 penalties against the attacking team and 203 against the defending team in the first 15 matches.

The defence is being punished in games in which the penalty count is already too high. This is affecting the flow of games. Sure, the standard is high, and footballers have always had an admirable sense of responsibility for performing best when their livelihood is under siege, but the game could flow even better if referees read the body language of the players.

Certainly, they would have blown the whistle in the 44th minute on Friday night if they'd noticed what was apparent to almost everyone when Gorrell knocked on at dummy-half. Perhaps the two referees - Cummins and Tony De Las Heras - were looking at each other.

Sometimes referees don't like each other. Having two enemies in charge of 34 young men with sharp antennas is a potent mix. Imagine Greg McCallum and Bill Harrigan on the field at the same time, or what would be worse … Greg Hartley and Jack Danzey.

NRL chief operating officer Graham Annesley likes the idea of the $200 set-top box.

"First I've heard about it," he said, even though I raised the same solution after the 2006 grand final, when the Storm were also disadvantaged by the referee not consulting the video man in the loss to Brisbane.

This system has been in use in US college football for some time, with multiple boxes set on 15-, 20- and 25-second delays, allowing the video referee multiple checks, without needing to rewind. Annesley later called to say: "I've checked and it is technically feasible. All we would require would be hard-disc recorders for each video referee box, plus an accompanying TV monitor. It certainly can be done."

Annesley, as a former top referee, understands the gut-wrenching despair players feel when they are robbed by blatant errors.

"With so many eyes on the game now, it's hard to justify missing a major breach," he said. "The $200 set top box is certainly a valid solution to using the eyes of the video referee without interrupting the flow of the game."

there's no guarantee the bloke in the box sees it though and it can only be used when a try is scored

if it happened the tackle prior to the try this wouldn't solve a thing
 

lockyrulz

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I've got another solution.

We quit whinging and get the f**k over it.

Every team has got the rough end of the pineapple at some stage, and a few calls go theri way.
 

Evenflow

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I've got another solution.

We quit whinging and get the f**k over it.

Every team has got the rough end of the pineapple at some stage, and a few calls go theri way.


I don't think you'll find anyone disputing that every team gets 50/50 call that will sometimes favor their side and sometimes go against them, it's a part of the game and for the most part we all live with it.

In saying that this particular call wasn't a 50/50, it was a blatant knock on with little to no doubt and i think you'd be hard pressed to find even the most staunch Bronco fan disagreeing with that. These are the type of calls that piss people off the most and if they can be helped to be minimized in the game or even stopped completely some how then they should be.

These dodgy decisions could cost a team the GF one day, some might say it already has. While i can't say i was overly upset by it given they knocked my team out earlier, to be totally honest and looking at it from an impartial point of view i think the Storm were robbed by the ref in another call that was far from 50/50 in 2006.
 

TheBourbonBeast

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I think the call was so bad, that it might actually help. The refs wont be making that same mistake twice.

I hope anyway.
 

lockyrulz

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I don't think you'll find anyone disputing that every team gets 50/50 call that will sometimes favor their side and sometimes go against them, it's a part of the game and for the most part we all live with it.

In saying that this particular call wasn't a 50/50, it was a blatant knock on with little to no doubt and i think you'd be hard pressed to find even the most staunch Bronco fan disagreeing with that. These are the type of calls that piss people off the most and if they can be helped to be minimized in the game or even stopped completely some how then they should be.

These dodgy decisions could cost a team the GF one day, some might say it already has. While i can't say i was overly upset by it given they knocked my team out earlier, to be totally honest and looking at it from an impartial point of view i think the Storm were robbed by the ref in another call that was far from 50/50 in 2006.

Maybe it will cost a team a gf. We had a vid ref in 2006 and Storm fans still bitch about it. Didn't Harrigan say he still wasn't sure it was a knock on?

So we bitch and whine that the game has too many errors, the clowns on the roast whine on and on and on about it.

So the powers that be listen, and give us more and more vid ref involvement. So the game slows down as we pain stackingly ensure every single decision is correct. (Of course this still doesn't happen)

Then the wankers on the roast, and subsequently everyone else, whines that the game is too slow, and the vid ref is a big part of that. So the powers that be listen, and we now have 2 refs, and minimal vid ref.

An error happens, and now suddenly we want to go back to the painstacking bs of watching a ref go back 2,3,4 plays and watch said replay a thousand times.

I'll stick to my original alternative plan. Suck it up princesses.
 

Evenflow

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Maybe it will cost a team a gf. We had a vid ref in 2006 and Storm fans still bitch about it. Didn't Harrigan say he still wasn't sure it was a knock on?

I certainly aint no Storm fan that's for sure, like i said i wasn't overly unhappy that they copped that dud call in 06 as at the time i was still mighty pissed they knocked my team out and saw it as some sort of retribution lol. But in the interest of fairness that call was right up there with the shocker the other night. Of course Harrigan is going to say what he did, he's not going to come out and say he come out and did his bit to help cost a team a GF is he?

Though i can understand your strong stance on this given the 2 particularly poor decisions we're talking about here has benifitted your team by certainly helping them win a GF as well as aided them to getting 2 competition points the other night. I'm sure you'll say otherwise but if it were the Bronco's on the other end of them, especially the GF i reckon you'd be singing a different tune.

Anyway as i said i'm happy for the 50/50 calls to remain in the game. They'll always be there every team will get them either way good and bad. But there's just no excuse for the sh*t that was dished out in Brisbane the other night and IMO the refs should be stood down to the NYC for a couple weeks so they'll learn not to do it again.
 

lockyrulz

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I never said you were a storm fan. When the decision goes against my team, and it will, I will cop it on the chin.

I will nbever advocate a return to the slow ass crapola we had before. It is moronic.

We whined to get here, we got here. Live with it.
 

lockyrulz

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Oh ffs...

I DON'T CARE!!!!!!!!!!!

What is 'obvious' is a matter of opinion anyway. Once you start down the slope of whining about ref's decisions and advocating more vid ref involvement, then you slow the whole game down, which then begets more whinging, and we wind up back here again in 5 years time where I stil have to listen to your freakin morons run around in cirlces like one legged spastics.
 

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I've got another solution.

We quit whinging and get the f**k over it.

Every team has got the rough end of the pineapple at some stage, and a few calls go theri way.
In all honesty, what right do you have to tell other people to get over it?
Considering your team was the one that was gifted the try, and considering the Broncos luck over the past 2 rounds in general.
What the hell would you know about a bad call?:?
 

adamkungl

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I'm have no bias for or against either Broncos or Storm, but the refereeing in the second half of the 06 GF was some of the worst i've ever seen. I felt it ruined what would have been a truly excellent match. Storm were robbed.
 
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You have to wonder does the NRL actually ever think of anything for itself?

Not only this one for example, but would they have picked up the Dogs 14 men without someone telling them, did they pick up the Dogs salary cap thing years back, no, only when it was exposed in the media.
 

lockyrulz

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In all honesty, what right do you have to tell other people to get over it?
Considering your team was the one that was gifted the try, and considering the Broncos luck over the past 2 rounds in general.
What the hell would you know about a bad call?:?

You clown.

I'm telling EVERYBODY to get over it. You think this wont happen to my team at some point? To yours? Are you really so stupid that you think the broncos have never goten a bad call against them? Please....

I remember v the roosters a cpl of years back a pass was thrown 3 meters forward and no one picked it up. They scored that set. Should we freeze frame every pass now to see if ti travelled forward? No. Why? Becuase it is a waste of effing time.

The game is flowing more now than it has in ages and you morons want to go and f**k it up all over again.
 

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You clown.

I'm telling EVERYBODY to get over it. You think this wont happen to my team at some point?
I'd hope a play like that isn't missed again, but if it does I'd punt that you'd be whinging your *ss off.

Maybe you should get over it and accept that it was a terrible call and people have every right to complain.
 

Evenflow

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Are you really so stupid that you think the broncos have never goten a bad call against them? Please....


I'm positive your team have copped dud calls but did those decisions rob your team of a GF? No it never, it gained you one so of course you aren't going to bitch about it.

You're pretty quick to be calling others stupid but you're the one that's a bit slow on the uptake. Nobody is saying we should go to the video ref for every line ball decision, we're not saying we wont cop any 50/50 decisions against us in future because we all know there'll be plenty of them both ways.

We're talking about the pathetically bad calls that are so blatantly obvious to 99% of people that there just isn't any excuse for. Eg last Friday night and the 2006 GF.
 

Eels Dude

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I've got another solution.

We quit whinging and get the f**k over it.

Every team has got the rough end of the pineapple at some stage, and a few calls go theri way.

Completely agree. Yes it was a bad call, it shouldn't have happened, but do we really need to change the video ref system for one bad call? Bad calls happen all the time, 20 years ago before video refs existed this kind of thing would happen on a weekly basis. Melbourne suffered this week, it'll be another club next time. I can understand why Storm fans are angry but it's not like a bad reffing decision never happens. We all cop it... every single club. But you take it on the chin and move on.

Personally I think if this is one of the biggest controversies to come out of the wknd's matches, then our game is doing pretty bloody well.
 

*Paul*

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Problem with this is, as we've seen lots of times, the VR will get obvious things wrong as well. So where to then?
 

lockyrulz

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I'd hope a play like that isn't missed again, but if it does I'd punt that you'd be whinging your *ss off.

Maybe you should get over it and accept that it was a terrible call and people have every right to complain.

I'd go wtf? How did they miss that!

Then I'd move on.

I wouldn't be advocating a return to the overt use of the vid ref, becuase it slows the game down.

Get it yet?
 

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