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Queensland cheating again

Bluebags1908

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Not all of that team are genuine ring-ins. Some are genuine Queenslanders that happen to be born elsewhere but moved there when very young and grew up there. This is what I think:

1. Karmichael Hunt - AUCKLAND, NZ. RING-IN.
2. Lote Tuqiri - KOROLEVU, FIJI. QUEENSLANDER.
3. Greg Inglis - BOWRAVILLE, NSW. BIGGEST RING-IN OF ALL.
4 Mat Rogers - CARINGBAH, NSW. THIS IS A 50/50 CASE. FAIR ENOUGH, QUEENSLANDER. HIS DAD PLAYED FOR NSW.
5. Israel Folau - SYDNEY, NSW. NOT 100% SURE.
6. Julian O'Neill - SYDNEY, NSW. QUEENSLANDER.
7. Adrian Lam - RABAUL, PNG. RING-IN.
8. Petero Civoniceva - SUVA, FIJI. QUEENSLANDER
9. Wayne Bartrim - KEMPSEY, NSW. RING-IN.
10. Craig Smith - KAITAIA, NZ. RING-IN.
11. Neville Costigan - RABAUL, PNG. RING-IN.
12. Sam Thaiday - SYDNEY, NSW. QUEENSLANDER.
13. Billy Moore - TENTERFIELD, NSW. RING-IN.
INTERCHANGE:
14. Scott Sattler - CAMPERDOWN, NSW. NOT 100% SURE.
15. Michael Crocker - AUBURN, NSW. QUEENSLANDER.
16. Brad Thorn - MOSGIEL, NZ. RING-IN.
17. Tonie Carroll - CHRISTCHURCH, NZ. RING-IN.
 

Knightmare

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But but but the Maroons haven't white washed the Blues! Jokes on them.

Oh wait...

EDIT: :lol: And they're still whinging.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/maroons-in-a-state-of-denial/story-e6frep5x-1226034320369

Where was Sterling born?


:lol: I love that you still don't get it. And Sterlo was born in Toowoomba, however moved to Wagga when he was barely able to walk, played all his footy down there and is a bona-fide blue. Unlike other players who grow up in the Premier state, play footy well and then have some nice men in maroon jackets promise them they'll play rep football for years if they just sign on the dotted line with this crayon and tell the media they always followed Qld...
 

Big Pete

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:lol: I love that you still don't get it. And Sterlo was born in Toowoomba, however moved to Wagga when he was barely able to walk, played all his footy down there and is a bona-fide blue. Unlike other players who grow up in the Premier state, play footy well and then have some nice men in maroon jackets promise them they'll play rep football for years if they just sign on the dotted line with this crayon and tell the media they always followed Qld...

Get what? That you will stoop to any level to bag out Queenslanders even inventing friends for the sake of your arguments? :lol:

Read the article, your journos are trying to claim that certain members of the Qld side aren't Qlders because they were born elsewhere.
 

Knightmare

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/maroons-in-a-state-of-denial/story-e6frexnr-1226034271134

THEY form one of Queensland's greatest all-time teams. Stunning backs, tough forwards, a brutal interchange bench.
In all, they played 183 Origin matches for their beloved Maroons.There is just one problem though - none of them is a Queenslander. They are all ring-ins.This composite team categorically shows Queensland's obsession with pinching players from outside the Sunshine State.

And the trend continued this week with Queensland trying to pinch Lismore-born Sydney Roosters prop Martin Kennedy, an emerging Origin star.

Kennedy has spent 14 of 22 years in NSW but says he wants to represent the Maroons.

The Daily Telegraph today lifts the lid on the Maroons' darkest secret - their best players hail from around the rugby league world, places like Auckland, Korolevu, Rabaul, Bowraville, Caringbah, Kempsey, Suva, Tenterfield, Minto, Camperdown, Auburn and Christchurch.

Anywhere but Brisbane, Rockhampton or Townsville.

"They are thieves in the night," stormed NSW legend Benny Elias. "And they blatantly do it in front of our faces. The Queenslanders would cheat, lie and steal to win an Origin series. They just don't care. They sell their scruples to win a series over NSW. Unbelievable.

"Origin means more to them than a state election, it means more to them than anything. They talk about their Queensland passion and they have had some great players over the years. But a lot of them were born outside Queensland."
Former NSW prop Steve Roach was also astounded when shown Queensland's "anti-Origin" team.

"If you go into their air space you are a Queenslander," Roach said.

"You only have to fly over Brisbane and they want you to play for them.

"Some of the players in that team come from New Zealand and Papua New Guinea."

Two of the most controversial selections are star backs Israel Folau and Greg Inglis.

Folau was born in Minto, in southwestern Sydney, while Inglis hails from Bowraville on the NSW North Coast.

Brad Thorn, Tonie Carroll and Karmichael Hunt were all Queensland legends - yet they were all born in New Zealand.

Neville Costigan and Adrian Lam, two highly successful Maroons over the past 15 years, were actually born in Rabaul in Papua New Guinea.

"They keep taking our players," said one-well placed NSW source.

"I can't believe the Martin Kennedy situation. Good luck to Martin if he wants to play for Queensland, but he was still born and raised in NSW."

Folau, Mat Rogers, Julian O'Neill, Sam Thaiday, Scott Sattler and Michael Crocker were all born in Sydney.

However, one high-profile NSW player had this to say when about the Queensland "anti-Origin" squad.

"Please don't give Queensland too much ammunition by bagging them."
1. Karmichael Hunt - AUCKLAND, NZ. 2. Lote Tuqiri - KOROLEVU, FIJI. 3. Greg Inglis - BOWRAVILLE, NSW. 4 Mat Rogers - CARINGBAH, NSW. 5. Israel Folau - SYDNEY, NSW. 6. Julian O'Neill - SYDNEY, NSW. 7. Adrian Lam - RABAUL, PNG. 8. Petero Civoniceva - SUVA, FIJI. 9. Wayne Bartrim - KEMPSEY, NSW. 10. Craig Smith - KAITAIA, NZ. 11. Neville Costigan - RABAUL, PNG. 12. Sam Thaiday - SYDNEY, NSW. 13. Billy Moore - TENTERFIELD, NSW. INTERCHANGE: 14. Scott Sattler - CAMPERDOWN, NSW. 15. Michael Crocker - AUBURN, NSW. 16. Brad Thorn - MOSGIEL, NZ. 17. Tonie Carroll - CHRISTCHURCH, NZ.


Nothing new from QLD...slight error in reporting though, obviously it doesnt go off where you were born but a fair few of the guys mentioned above, played their first senior footy game in either NSW or elsewhere other than QLD


Brilliant. Of course the resident Maroons fans on here won't have anything better to come back with than pictures of the XXXX Dream team waving at the camera for some reason or another...

FTR if a player doesn't want to play for the Blues, fine. I don't want to see anybody but players with pride in the jersey taking the field in the sky blue. Even Jamie Lyon, even if he decides he'd rather only worry about playing for Manly then the selectors shouldn't bother him. Why they did just shows how f**king stupid that lot are/ were.
 
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Knightmare

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I'm sure there's been a few the other way. Steve Rogers and Peter Sterling being the most obvious. The ones born elsewhere don't bother me. The ones currently playing test football for another country do (Carroll, Lam). As do the ones which qualify by the stupid "first senior game" rule for NSW (Inglis).

Honestly there are 2, and only 2, ways to clear up this sh*t once and for all so we don't get it trotted out every bloody year. Change the rule to either where you were born, or my preferred option, let the player represent whichever state they choose (with the stipulation that you can't switch at a later date). Also, playing test football for another country should mean automatic inelligibility, even though I have always liked the idea of NRL players turning out for developing countries to which they have some sort of link.

By the by, is it any wonder that cutie and Folau, after turning traitor to play for Queensland, turned traitor again to play AFL?


Likewise Inglis ditching the Broncos to play for Souths. I don't care where a player was born either, however I think it's a problem when a bloke plays virtually all his footy in one state then spends a year in enemy territory and somehow becomes eligible to represent them!
 

Mr Saab

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Dean Ritchie is the king of Tele whinging. Always has has "boys" blocker and elias his Neil Harvey's
 

kwigibo

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Not all of that team are genuine ring-ins. Some are genuine Queenslanders that happen to be born elsewhere but moved there when very young and grew up there. This is what I think:

1. Karmichael Hunt - AUCKLAND, NZ. RING-IN.
2. Lote Tuqiri - KOROLEVU, FIJI. QUEENSLANDER.
3. Greg Inglis - BOWRAVILLE, NSW. BIGGEST RING-IN OF ALL.
4 Mat Rogers - CARINGBAH, NSW. THIS IS A 50/50 CASE. FAIR ENOUGH, QUEENSLANDER. HIS DAD PLAYED FOR NSW.
5. Israel Folau - SYDNEY, NSW. NOT 100% SURE.
6. Julian O'Neill - SYDNEY, NSW. QUEENSLANDER.
7. Adrian Lam - RABAUL, PNG. RING-IN.
8. Petero Civoniceva - SUVA, FIJI. QUEENSLANDER
9. Wayne Bartrim - KEMPSEY, NSW. RING-IN.
10. Craig Smith - KAITAIA, NZ. RING-IN.
11. Neville Costigan - RABAUL, PNG. RING-IN.
12. Sam Thaiday - SYDNEY, NSW. QUEENSLANDER.
13. Billy Moore - TENTERFIELD, NSW. RING-IN.
INTERCHANGE:
14. Scott Sattler - CAMPERDOWN, NSW. NOT 100% SURE.
15. Michael Crocker - AUBURN, NSW. QUEENSLANDER.
16. Brad Thorn - MOSGIEL, NZ. RING-IN.
17. Tonie Carroll - CHRISTCHURCH, NZ. RING-IN.

Info from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Queensland_rugby_league_team_players:

Petero was less than a year old when he moved to Redcliffe.

Sattler went to primary and high school on the Gold Coast, and played his Junior Footy at Runaway Bay (Gold Coast, QLD).

Adrian Lam moved to QLD at age 7, Thorn at age 8, from places that aren't NSW, so Queenslanders I'd say.

Costigan it says has an Australian dad and moved to QLD at a very young age but there's no citation for that, so unsure.

Tuqiri was 15 when he moved to QLD, so scrapes in on the rules.

Hunt moved to QLD when he was 10/11, so more QLD than Tuqiri or Folau.

Tonie Carroll qualifies as a QLD junior but then all his messing about playing for 2 different countries makes him a little sketchy.

Bartrim and Moore I can't see how they'd qualify for QLD. Bartrim was obviously a super league anomaly/concession. Moore I watched when I was a kid and thought he was the most QLD player there was, but I can't find a single source that says how he is a Queenslander at all.

Craig Smith was a teenager when he moved to QLD, probably another sketchy one, can't find too much info. Only played in one losing series, so hardly a hero.
 
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Knightmare

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:lol: Qlders read tripe like this day in, day out, with no other state newspaper, and think it is gospel. And then wonder why the rest of Australia laughs at them for being backwards! If this article was submitted to the editors' desk anywhere west of Mt Isa or south of Coolangatta, the editor would (rightfully) burst out laughing and remind said journalist that he was meant to be writing for the sports section and not the comedy pages.
 

Knightmare

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Get what? That you will stoop to any level to bag out Queenslanders even inventing friends for the sake of your arguments? :lol:

Read the article, your journos are trying to claim that certain members of the Qld side aren't Qlders because they were born elsewhere.


What friends have I invented? I would really love to know your answer to that one. And if you looked at my later post, you would see I said I don't care where a player was BORN. It's where they play footy growing up that is the issue.
 

Big Pete

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And here we are in a thread where NSWmen took the words of Rothfield as gospel...

I'll say it again

NSW: The state of hypocrisy.
 

El Diablo

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Albert Kelly put the Beetson story regarding Inglist to rest too

as well as saying Inglis supported NSW

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/nrl/story/0,27074,25662106-14823,00.html

Inglis farce shows Blues bloodline blunder

By Josh Massoud | June 20, 2009 12:00am

THEY share the same relatives, emulated the same Origin heroes and grew up in the same NSW town.

Yet somehow Bowraville cousins Greg Inglis and Albert Kelly have been divided along state lines.

In an indictment of Origin's farcical eligibility rules, the pair will don different-coloured jerseys at ANZ Stadium on Wednesday night.

Given he was raised 400km south of the Tweed, Maroon-clad Inglis has infuriated NSW fans since he mysteriously made his debut for Queensland three years ago.

Those frustrations are sure to be amplified when Kelly turns out for NSW in the under-18s curtain-raiser to Origin II.

"Our mothers are cousins and we grew up around the corner from one another," the 18-year-old Parramatta prodigy said.

"We'd all get around in the park and pretend to be different Origin players like Trent Barrett and Shaun Timmins."

Kelly admitted he was confused upon learning Inglis would represent Queensland in 2006.

"It was weird," he said. "Seeing Greg in the maroon was weird at first.

"The whole family are NSW fans, but with Greg playing for Queensland a few have had to change.

"His parents now support Queensland and I've got to admit I did, too, when Greg started playing for them.

"My parents stuck with NSW, but they'd cheer when Greg got the ball which was pretty funny.

"I'll have to change back now, though, that I'm playing for NSW."

Inglis's bewildering allegiance switch was the result of cunning from QRL officials, who immediately claimed the then 16-year-old after he played an Arrive Alive Cup game for Wavell State High in 2003.

But it later emerged Inglis appeared for Newcastle-based Hunter Sports High in the same schoolboys competition earlier that season, which should have confirmed his status as a Blue because he played his first football as a 16-year-old in NSW.

When the real story emerged, ARL boss Geoff Carr said there was no provision in the eligibility rules for Inglis to switch back to his state of birth.

"I always thought Greg would play for NSW and someone had to explain the technicalities to me," said Kelly, who has been selected at five-eighth for the Blues tyros.

"I'm OK with it as long as Greg is happy and I don't think he'll ever want to change back.

"Either way, he'd carve it up."

Kelly's bloodlines have directed plenty of attention his way this season - despite the fact he is still yet to play an NRL game. He scored five tries for Parramatta's NSW Cup side Wentworthville recently, his first coming just 11 seconds into the game.

"I feel as though I'm ready for first grade, my manager thinks I'm ready and my pop thinks I'm ready," Kelly said. "I've just got to wait until the coach thinks I'm ready.

"It hasn't come up yet."

Kelly also said he was "stressing" about contract negotiations, with Melbourne offering him the chance to join Inglis at the Storm next year and Wests Tigers also in the frame.

"But I want to give Parramatta every chance because they gave me this opportunity," he said.
 

Knightmare

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I think Rothfield is a hack.

Qld has had the mortgage on hypocrisy ever since they "recruited" Greg Inglis and then continued to go on out how evil NSW were for "stealing" Qld players before 1980- which ironically is exactly why Origin was born!
 

Big Pete

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That's fine, some NSW posters didn't though and there are posts in this thread to prove it.
 

Joker's Wild

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And here we are in a thread where NSWmen took the words of Rothfield as gospel...

I'll say it again

NSW: The state of hypocrisy.

Ease up there Pete

Some NSWelshmen took it as gospel (the usual suspects) but the rest withheld judgement due to Rothfield writing the article, taking away all credibility.

Hypocrisy lives both sides of the Tweed
 

Big Pete

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Did I say every NSWmen took it as gospel?

And yes it does, but only one side seems to be making noise as of late.
 

Joker's Wild

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Because the other side has the most recent form when it comes to making questionable selections

If the Inglis case was reversed, Qlders would be up in arms too
 

El Diablo

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Because the other side has the most recent form when it comes to making questionable selections

If the Inglis case was reversed, Qlders would be up in arms too

the Inglis situation is why Origin started

Queensland seem to have forgotten the roots of it all
 
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