Carney, Myles and Nu'uausala allegedly break team booze ban.

[Broncomum]

It's an interesting way we view behaviour and an inability to control oneself or put boundaries around your life that we now label it a mental illness.

I have met many many people through my work who were mentally ill and had substance issues and I've met many people in my life who are immature, disfunctional or have very little self control. The two are very very different. I don;t know Carney well enough to even begin to suggest which category he falls into and i would suggest neither does anyone else on here. if it is the former then he deseves the support of the game to get his illness worked on and would be best doing that away from the medias glare and the pressure of NRL top grade. if it is the latter he should be punted out of the game and the opportunity for him to damage the sports reputation removed. Either way it is hard to see a place in first grade NRL for him.

I definitely agree with you on this.
No-one knows the extent of the problem, all the steps that may or may not have been tried, but beating the booze is no easy task in this world today and would be bloody hard in the world of Rugby League!
I think the biggest tragedy here is that every little matter has to be plastered all over the media. It then gets to the types of comments/conjecture and ignorance we can see in this thread alone.
These problems are on the increase within sport these days, if the NRL is serious is taking a stance they need to use this as a test case & set up an NRL Substance Abuse Intervention program
- Have the player suspended from playing duties. All other duties (training & promotional where suitable) should continue on.
- Have the player agree to be assessed by suitable medical people & agree to undertake whatever rehabilitation necessary.
- Place an immediate Media ban on all things related to the player & problem. This should also include social networking sites.
- Assess the Club culture that surrounds this player to ascertain if some 'tweeking' can occur to lessen the chances of this thing happening again.

I have no answers, I doubt anyone has but the cr@p being read in the media and splashed all over the net is certainly no help whatsoever & actually exposes a few more 'problem people'.

 

[Mattc]

The only thing that gets me about the whole Carney saga is that when he manages to stay off the drink for a few weeks, its big news.
Only a few weeks ago, he was on the cover of Big League, and in the Tele, talking redemption, etc.
Then.... Every Time. I'm sick of hearing it!!

 

[POPEYE]

There is a plethora of young men playing in pub teams for instance that could have the ability to play NRL if early in their life they had shown committment.

I can verify one team where a couple of players had been given the opportunity to play for an NRL club but refused to undergo the regimentation necessary to succeed.

Half a dozen of the others were hardcase bikies who had talent but wouldn't conform to anything. A lot of these blokes were capable of doing things in their social life that resulted in gaol time.

I think Carney is in the wrong place. The only thing that keeps him there is the money and the only thing that makes him newsworthy as opposed to a multitude of others is that he stands out where he is.

 

[carcharias]

20 years ago Carney would have been a normal first grader..now he is a raging out of control drunk ...the pics are evidence.

 

[Perth Red]

20 years ago Carney would have been a normal first grader..now he is a raging out of control drunk ...the pics are evidence.

20 years ago he'd have been earning an avg wage, now he earns ten times the avg wage.

 

[carcharias]

oh dear........

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

60 years ago the Red Army supporters would be in jail.

 

[Kiki]

There is a plethora of young men playing in pub teams for instance that could have the ability to play NRL if early in their life they had shown committment.

I can verify one team where a couple of players had been given the opportunity to play for an NRL club but refused to undergo the regimentation necessary to succeed.

Half a dozen of the others were hardcase bikies who had talent but wouldn't conform to anything. A lot of these blokes were capable of doing things in their social life that resulted in gaol time.

I think Carney is in the wrong place. The only thing that keeps him there is the money and the only thing that makes him newsworthy as opposed to a multitude of others is that he stands out where he is.

very interesting post. and you're right. on field talent makes up a fairly minor part of a successful/lengthy NRL career.

 

[Hooch]

I love it that Toddy is too good to sack.

Hell, old mate Breadhead left his calling card in a Terrigal hotel and got off with a slap on the wrist.

What was he deregistered for again? Being a dipshit?

Free Toddy!

 

[gronkathon]

:lol: Breadhead

 

[skeepe]

For those saying that Todd needs help, the Raiders tried everything in their power to do just that.

They basically offered him a blank cheque and told him that whatever he needed to try to get his life back on track, they would do it. When they finally sacked him because he refused to stop drinking, they told him that despite the fact he was no longer with the club, they would pay for counselling, rehabilitation, whatever he needed.

They never, ever got a response to their offer.

Before you can help people, they have to want to be helped. Todd Carney doesn't WANT to be helped. He wants to continue down the same destructive path that he has followed his whole life.

The great tragedy is that it appears he's going to have to fall a very long way before he has that moment of realisation. I just hope he has good people around him when he does.

 

[Chook Norris]

will be my first comment on in this thread/matter and i'll make it short. He's used up too many chances Todd. It does feel like he no longer wants help and no longer respects his peers, the fans or the club. I'd fully support the club's decision if they sacked him

 

[Hooch]

Before you can help people, they have to want to be helped. Todd Carney doesn't WANT to be helped. He wants to continue down the same destructive path that he has followed his whole life.

He doesn't need help.

He's a 20 something twanger who gets hundreds of thousands thrown at him to play footy. If he throws it away cos he has no discipline and cant do what hes told, well that's a life experience I guess.

He's talented enough that there'll be at least a few more years of Toddy watching. If he gets the arse from the Roosters next year the Sharks or someone will pick him up. If he doesn't kick on after that it'll all be over.

In the meantime just enjoy the show as everyone tries to 'help' Toddy. 'Help' Toddy stop having a few quiet beers... you should be applauding him... didn't set anyones pants on fire or anything.

 

[kia ora storm]

I like how the media focusses on Carney when Mr Hankey Myles goes under the radar again...he is just as much an idiot with some of his antics.

 

[umina panther]

Normal blokes doing nothing wrong

 

[Spanner in the works]

Normal blokes doing nothing wrong

?

He has made a lot of promises. Promises not to drink again, promises to follow through with a team booze ban and promises to get his life back on track. And he broke all of them while under contract. Then he got given a breach notice. What do you expect?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Normal blokes doing nothing wrong

Their teammates who have adhered to the alcohol ban might disagree. Trust in your teammates is a huge thing in league, Myles, Carney and FPN have broken that bond. Forget carney and his supposed drinking problem, it's up to him to sort that out, the issue here is that he is has often been given preferential treatment by the clubs bigwigs and a host of chances. After a while his teammates are going to start to jack up at this, as well as mistrust him.

The roosters haven't gone downhill this season because Todd's getting plastered, they've fallen in a heap because morale is shot - a direct consequence of Todd's actions.

 

[legend]

Has anyone ever thought maybe he wants out of the Roosters and this was the only way he could get out?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Has anyone ever thought maybe he wants out of the Roosters and this was the only way he could get out?

If that's the case he should do it George Costanza style - urinate in Dave Brown's headgear, streak across the SFS in a body suit, punch Uncle Nick in the nuts.

 

[Tiger Hawk]

Breaking a player's pact not to drink again........is that even a sackable offence under his playing contract? I'm sure there's some sort of detrimental conduct clause but you'd think that's a long bow to draw. Unless he's had a few extra clauses inserted, which is entirely possible given his history.