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[PacificCoastRL]

I'd have to agree with Lone Ranger about the possibility of the two US comps merging. Not going to happen, the philosophies of the two groups are different. But really, they could co-exist. The only real problem from where I sit is that the USARL players weren't invited to compete for positions with the Tomahawks, and that was purely an ego-driven issue. If the RLIF sanction away those egos, and allow ANYONE who is eligible to play for the Tomahawks than both groups can go on their merry way. And as LR says, there will be only one comp at some point in the future, because one of the comps will eventually shut down because of financial difficulties. Can you guess which one will shut down? I think I know.

 

[Evil Homer]

One thing is for sure, the AMNRL have woken from a 10 year slumber and are busy banging the drum on appointments and key roles. It would be interesting to see who these people report to and to what capacity.

Have they, or is it a vain attempt to make it look like they are a legitimate organization in the face of opposition from the RLIF?

 

[Lone Ranger]

Have they, or is it a vain attempt to make it look like they are a legitimate organization in the face of opposition from the RLIF?

Maybe a bit of both. With the USARL start-up and the USA vs Ireland debacle, it was clear they had to go back to basics.

FYI: http://stevemascord.com/2011/12/04/bondi-beat-december-2011/

 

[YANTO]

Its taken them a long time but FFS the USA have qualified for the world cup finals.No matter what people in Aussie or Europe think Mr Nui has done what he set out to do.

Look back at Spinner and the USARL...maybe THEY choose the wrong time to make a split......think ...if the USARL had waited another two years then ALL players would be eligable to represent the Tomahawks.

In hindsight this split came two years to early...then after the WC maybe they could have looked at what was best for the game in the US and if they thought it was better then they could have went their seperate ways.


Both sides have to be taken to account over the timing of this situation.



Swings and roundabouts guys....

 

[Evil Homer]

Its taken them a long time but FFS the USA have qualified for the world cup finals.No matter what people in Aussie or Europe think Mr Nui has done what he set out to do.

Look back at Spinner and the USARL...maybe THEY choose the wrong time to make a split......think ...if the USARL had waited another two years then ALL players would be eligable to represent the Tomahawks.

In hindsight this split came two years to early...then after the WC maybe they could have looked at what was best for the game in the US and if they thought it was better then they could have went their seperate ways.

Both sides have to be taken to account over the timing of this situation.

Swings and roundabouts guys....

Cannot comprehend the stupidity of this post.

 

[YANTO]

Cannot comprehend the stupidity of this post.

And why is that ?

 

[Evil Homer]

And why is that ?

Because it was completely stupid. Do you really think that is the way things should be done?

 

[flamin]

Its taken them a long time but FFS the USA have qualified for the world cup finals.No matter what people in Aussie or Europe think Mr Nui has done what he set out to do.

Look back at Spinner and the USARL...maybe THEY choose the wrong time to make a split......think ...if the USARL had waited another two years then ALL players would be eligable to represent the Tomahawks.

In hindsight this split came two years to early...then after the WC maybe they could have looked at what was best for the game in the US and if they thought it was better then they could have went their seperate ways.


Both sides have to be taken to account over the timing of this situation.



Swings and roundabouts guys....

The USARL did not make the decision for their players to be ineligible for the Tomahawks. Niu did. He is responsible for that decision not the USARL.

 

[YANTO]

Because it was completely stupid. Do you really think that is the way things should be done?

Is that your best response??

Everyone has their say about the AMNRL/USARL split....BUT if they had held back domesticaly till the WC qualifiers where over, and both sides put the international game as a priority, then this us and them situation regarding Tomahawk players would not of arisen in a crucial year for the game in the states.

Seems the USARL and the clubs at the time did not realise how damaging the timing was regarding the national team.

No matter what we all think the AMNRL IS the governing body as recognised by the RLIF and they have qualified.!!!!

 

[YANTO]

The USARL did not make the decision for their players to be ineligible for the Tomahawks. Niu did. He is responsible for that decision not the USARL.

BUT with the world cup on the horizon and the AMNRL as recognised by the IRLF...why was the split so essential in such an important year for the game in the USA.

IF the clubs could have looked at the bigger picture its obvious that they could have went their seperate ways next year or in 2013 or in 2014,,,WHY did it have to happen so quick and in such an important year......think about it guys...stupid (in hind sight again) from both sides.

Just trying to put some reasoning to the situation.

 

[Evil Homer]

Is that your best response??

Everyone has their say about the AMNRL/USARL split....BUT if they had held back domesticaly till the WC qualifiers where over, and both sides put the international game as a priority, then this us and them situation regarding Tomahawk players would not of arisen in a crucial year for the game in the states.

Seems the USARL and the clubs at the time did not realise how damaging the timing was regarding the national team.

No matter what we all think the AMNRL IS the governing body as recognised by the RLIF and they have qualified.!!!!

Why should they have held back domestically and played for three years in a sham competition under autocratic administration? The fact that players have been excluded is nothing to do with the USARL, and it's clear that the national team wasn't selected fairly anyway even for the clubs that did remain with the AMNRL. The actions of the USARL clubs have been shown to be completely justified, and to try to somehow blame them for being excluded is absurd.

 

[YANTO]

Why should they have held back domestically and played for three years in a sham competition under autocratic administration? The fact that players have been excluded is nothing to do with the USARL, and it's clear that the national team wasn't selected fairly anyway even for the clubs that did remain with the AMNRL. The actions of the USARL clubs have been shown to be completely justified, and to try to somehow blame them for being excluded is absurd.

Not blaming anyone....as a neutral I am looking at both arguments which you dont seem to be able to do.

Nui has led a USA team to their first world cup....think how much stronger the case could have been if the clubs stayed together for at least a season until the qualifiers where out of the road. I am sure if a new organisation set up in the UK the RFL (Governing body) would have excluded those (rebel) players from international recognition for the world cup also.


Hey I am not saying who is right and who is wrong but Nui was the bees knees to all you international development guys five years ago.....now he has delivered and another competition does not like the way he runs things he is all of a sudden the devil of USA RL.

 

[YANTO]

04:56 here in europe...no doubt this debate has a few more miles to run...later guys

 

[Evil Homer]

Not blaming anyone....as a neutral I am looking at both arguments which you dont seem to be able to do.

Nui has led a USA team to their first world cup....think how much stronger the case could have been if the clubs stayed together for at least a season until the qualifiers where out of the road. I am sure if a new organisation set up in the UK the RFL (Governing body) would have excluded those (rebel) players from international recognition for the world cup also.

Hey I am not saying who is right and who is wrong but Nui was the bees knees to all you international development guys five years ago.....now he has delivered and another competition does not like the way he runs things he is all of a sudden the devil of USA RL.

Think how much stronger the case would have been if Niu had not chosen to exclude those players. Or, if he'd run things democratically in the first place and thus avoided this whole situation. Your argument is just absolute BS. The fact that players have been excluded is completely the fault of Niu and the AMNRL. Trying to suggest that he's somehow justified because a team full of Aussie ringers were able to beat Jamaica is ridiculous. This has nothing to do with Niu's Tomahawks side qualifying for the World Cup, it's about doing what's right for the sport in the USA and putting the interests of the game first, something that Niu and his cronies have shown they are unwilling to do.

 

[league13]

Why should they have held back domestically and played for three years in a sham competition under autocratic administration? The fact that players have been excluded is nothing to do with the USARL, and it's clear that the national team wasn't selected fairly anyway even for the clubs that did remain with the AMNRL. The actions of the USARL clubs have been shown to be completely justified, and to try to somehow blame them for being excluded is absurd.

At least we now have a competion where all are treated equal.Why wait another two to three years to set it up.I can see at the end of the mentioned time the USARL will be in a strong position,attracting the right type of player required to take the game forward.

 

[billy2]

Its taken them a long time but FFS the USA have qualified for the world cup finals.No matter what people in Aussie or Europe think Mr Nui has done what he set out to do.

Look back at Spinner and the USARL...maybe THEY choose the wrong time to make a split......think ...if the USARL had waited another two years then ALL players would be eligable to represent the Tomahawks.

In hindsight this split came two years to early...then after the WC maybe they could have looked at what was best for the game in the US and if they thought it was better then they could have went their seperate ways.


Both sides have to be taken to account over the timing of this situation.



Swings and roundabouts guys....

As with all things in life, there is right and wrong on both sides and there is no black and white, only shades of grey.

The situation can only be fixed by a compromise that both sides can live with.

Demonising David Niu can only make compromise harder.

 

[Evil Homer]

As with all things in life, there is right and wrong on both sides and there is no black and white, only shades of grey.

The situation can only be fixed by a compromise that both sides can live with.

Demonising David Niu can only make compromise harder.

Maybe you should tell Niu to start working on one that doesn't involve him being the sole dictator and running things to fit him and his friends' own personal agendas then. I don't know who you think is 'demonising' Niu, other than himself and his close friends by continuing to behave in the way they have. Do you really think that when people put their own interests first, run things solely for this purpose and as such potentially cause a lot of damage to the game, that they should somehow be immune from criticism? Niu and his clique's recent actions have only served to strengthen the argument that these people are completely unsuitable to be running the game in a country like the USA.

 

[PacificCoastRL]

For me the problem in all of this has been the exclusion of USARL players from the Tomahawks. I have asked David Niu, through emails, for reasons these players were excluded. He has never replied to me. So I will ask some of Niu's supporters on this thread, especially YANTO and billy2 - Why were the USARL players excluded? And do you think there was justification for their exclusion. YANTO and billy2, the floor is yours.

 

[billy2]

For me the problem in all of this has been the exclusion of USARL players from the Tomahawks. I have asked David Niu, through emails, for reasons these players were excluded. He has never replied to me. So I will ask some of Niu's supporters on this thread, especially YANTO and billy2 - Why were the USARL players excluded? And do you think there was justification for their exclusion. YANTO and billy2, the floor is yours.

No one likes the situation.
I'm sure Niu isn't dancing around a fire at mid-night and rejoicing at the turn of events.
It's pretty obvious he did what he did because he felt his team needed to keep control.
You can sit in judgement of him and his actions if that is your wont. I chose not to.

I've only ever had a five minute conversation with David, and he didn't come across as the Hitler clone many people seem to want to portrait him as. He came across as a guy who was absolutely passionate about starting League up in the US, and had put enormous amounts of his own time and money into doing that.

I know other people have followed him now, and are doing as much as he has done and is doing - and if we had 10 guys like David, Spinner and the guys working in Rhode Island this year, and they were all pulling together, the sky's the limit.

I'm not going to apportion blame to any of those guys. As i've said time after time, they all did what they thought was the right thing for the game - be it right or wrong.

Time to build a bridge and get the hell over it. The only way ahead is for a compromise that all sides can live with. The alternative entails various degrees of self destruction for the game - which many would say is the RL way - but i think we can be better than that.

 

[clarency]

I have also asked him, with no response.

However in reading different articles and interviews it appears that his reasoning behind it goes along the lines off.

"I can't run one competition and select players from another".

Which frankly is insulting that he thinks that is going to cut it for why he left them out.