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I really shudder to think what state the game would be in right now if Gallop were still running the show.
He would be grilled on four corners or something making the game look guilty as sin.
I really shudder to think what state the game would be in right now if Gallop were still running the show.
Purely hypothetical, but if there is any substance (pun intended) behind the drug allegations at Cronulla, I wonder if the players lawyers have planned to try and delay the proceedings as long as possible, and then cop the 6 month ban (if still on the table) so that the majority of the ban is during the offseason? Oct-March means only a couple games missed.
That wouldn't work. The sanctions are given as a number of matches or a time period. Whichever is greater
http://www.asada.gov.au/rules_and_violations/sanctions.html
john gibbs said it was a time frame ban rather than matches, but the link you provided suggests otherwise. also wouldnt the 6 month ban be for dobbing yourself and others in? since it appears no one has calimed anyone else has used anything if asada find them guilty i'd assume they're facing a 2 year ban
interestingly the third guy there was banned for life for cannibis but the first guy got a 3 month suspension. i know we dont know the details (and i dont really care) but it seems like a big discrepancy. i also dont know how cannabis would be serious enough to ban someone for life
Or so it might seem...Today NRL boss Dave Smith talks to Ben Fordham & darryl brohman about the ASADA drugs investigation.
http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/8959
Smith seems to be weak as piss.
Today NRL boss Dave Smith talks to Ben Fordham & darryl brohman about the ASADA drugs investigation.
http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/8959
Smith seems to be weak as piss.
ASADA 'has no idea on athletes'
by: Brent Read
From: The Australian
May 10, 2013 12:00AM
THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has copped a shellacking for a second successive day over its handling of the aborted interview with Cronulla player Wade Graham.
A day after NRL chief executive Dave Smith found no justification for ASADA's decision to suspend the interview process, Melbourne academic and lawyer Martin Hardie claimed the anti-doping agency had no idea how to deal with athletes.
Hardie also ridiculed comparisons with the Lance Armstrong case and suggested World Anti-Doping Agency president John Fahey had acted like a "spoiled brat" with his response to the NRL's handling of the ongoing inquiry.
As of last night, the interview process with players from Cronulla and other clubs remained in limbo, with ASADA believed to be considering its options. There seems a genuine likelihood the interview process could be postponed as ASADA digs for more evidence.
The difficulties confronting the country's peak anti-doping agency were rammed home last week when The Australian revealed the body was unable to use any of the information from the Australian Crime Commission as evidence against the players.
With the players intent on standing their ground, it is understood ASADA wanted the NRL to apply pressure. That appears unlikely to happen given recent comments by Smith.
Hardie, a lecturer in law at Deakin University, accused ASADA of failing to understand how to work with athletes.
"I think part of the problem is they go about it the wrong way," he said.
"If anti-doping is ever going to work, you need to get the athletes to buy into it and stop treating them like criminals or just as objects to be policed.
"When you treat them like criminals, they're never going to co-operate. Athletes need to be made part of the system and have a reason to buy into the anti-doping system in more ways than mere rhetoric.
"The problem here is that ASADA has not had any links with, and doesn't know how to mix with, athletes. Anybody who has worked with athletes can tell you there are ways of going about things that will have the door shut in your face in a flash ."
Hardie also dismissed comparisons with the Armstrong case. ASADA recently sent two senior officials to the US to talk to anti-doping officials about the methods they used to catch Armstrong.
"They keep going on about the Lance Armstrong case, but it was really different," Hardie said.
"One of the main drivers was that people were disgruntled with Armstrong and they thought that they were being treated differently by the UCI.
"In that case, there was not any unity between those that had ridden with Armstrong. Armstrong had screwed so many people and those that had been screwed felt that the UCI had tried to cover up his doping cases whilst pursuing them.
"The case was started by Floyd Landis spilling the beans because of the way he had been treated. Those conditions just don't exist in the NRL."
Fahey was critical of the NRL this week, prompting a terse response from Smith. Hardie was also highly critical of the WADA powerbroker yesterday.
"I think ASADA are really misreading the situation if they think they can walk in and start forcing footballers into saying stuff," he said.
"It seems to me they have no idea what they are doing. It is an entrenched principle of the law that it is for the prosecution to prove their case.
"Courts have called it a human right. But when a footballer asserts that right, we get the minister and now people like John Fahey, who should know better, jumping up and down, and carrying on like spoiled brats."
Today NRL boss Dave Smith talks to Ben Fordham & darryl brohman about the ASADA drugs investigation.
http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/8959
Smith seems to be weak as piss.
Today NRL boss Dave Smith talks to Ben Fordham & darryl brohman about the ASADA drugs investigation.
http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/8959
Smith seems to be weak as piss.
Does anybody know the names of the Essendon players interviewed this week? Somebody must, since everybody knew Wade Graham was going to be interviewed the day before (and the location as well).
Starting to seem more and more like the press conference in February was designed to shield the AFL, and make it appear this was a problem across other sports.
When really it is them in the shit.
Rugby League has been needlessly drawn into the AFL's sordid mess.
THE stewardship of David Gallop becomes more impressive and significant the longer he is away from the NRL. The former chief executive gave the league a sophistication that it needed but had, prior to his stint at the controls, routinely rejected.
To build league into a united and authoritative football competition was no easy task given the suspicions and angst of the Super League eruption. Gallop had to douse the smouldering aftermath of the 1997 season and try to instil respect into a code that could not spell the word. He did it so successfully that the AFL's push into rugby league territory on the Gold Coast and in western Sydney is proving harder and will no doubt be more expensive than initially plotted.
And even though Gallop helped guide the code to the essential formation of an independent commission and a substantial broadcast agreement, the NRL is beginning to look like its old ramshackle self.
It is blinding obvious how the NRL has slipped back into its former reckless and self-satisfied ways when you consider the manner it has handled the ASADA investigation into Cronulla compared with the strategy adopted by the AFL as the anti-doping agency probes Essendon. The AFL club looks worryingly compromised as information is discovered and published about a supplements regime run by sport science consultant Stephen Dank in 2012. The status, banned or otherwise, of the drugs given to the Bombers players remains unclear but that senior management lost control of the club is not.
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Yet it has co-operated willingly with ASADA. Officials and coaches have been interviewed and now the players are in for their grillings. Essendon chairman David Evans has ensured the players will assist the inquiry. As well, the AFL heavies have made it clear they expect the club to co-operate fully. Such has been the AFL's keenness to work with ASADA that boosters for the NRL in the media have twisted this openness to suggest that the league's chief executive, Andrew Demetriou, had struck a cosy arrangement with ASADA and the federal government that would ensure his footballers received no punishment if, in fact, they had breached ASADA policy. The lunacy of that proposition is self-evident yet it still has currency within the rugby league community. The paranoia is helping no one.
Dave Smith is the new NRL boss, while Gallop now runs Football Federation Australia. Smith has been unimpressive. Other than restructuring his administration, which was timely, he has been timid and reactionary. He has given no obvious direction -- or any that has been heeded -- to his code over the very serious ASADA investigation.
Cronulla dill Wade Graham thought it appropriate to rock up to his interview as though he was going to a game of poker with his mates on a hot summer night. It was an indication of the respect Cronulla had for the ASADA process and the atmospherics that have been allowed to fester under an uninspiring Smith.
ASADA broke off that interview when it became clear Graham was playing dead. It appeared to take Smith a week to get a transcript of the abbreviated meeting -- was it conducted in Latin? Anyway, it prompted Smith to say this: "Having reviewed the first interview with senior counsel, we do not believe the interview process should have been suspended and we will work with ASADA to find the best way of bringing this to a close." Good luck with that, for Smith seems oblivious to the fact that ASADA sets the rules and not the NRL or Cronulla.
Presumably, that means Smith will tell the Cronulla players to be more forthcoming than Graham was. But there seems to be no suggestion that is Smith's intention -- he has not shown that strength of control before -- so the standoff between ASADA and Cronulla will presumably continue. That reflects poorly on the NRL executives as well as the club, its officials and players.
Somehow interim Cronulla chief executive Bruno Cullen found a positive in Smith's observations. "I'm pleased with Dave's statement in that regard and, as we always have been, we are ready, willing and very eager to get back into the interview process," Cullen said on Thursday. You can actually hear the spin. It is not ASADA alone that is displeased by recalcitrant Cronulla. World Anti-Doping Agency president John Fahey roasted the NRL for failing to show the same strength of leadership on the supplements investigation as displayed by the AFL.
"We're certainly disappointed in the comments because we don't think they accurately reflect the position," Smith said. "We make no apology for working through ASADA. They are the appropriate body to deal with the investigation process and we're encouraging them to move forward."
It is impossible to know what Smith means in that last statement. The NRL is not being criticised for not working with ASADA. It is being chastised for not working with ASADA in good faith.
Gallop left the NRL and that's proved good news for soccer. Smith joined the NRL and that's proved even better news for the AFL.
Oh look, another wanker praising Gallop.
I don't understand these people, they must be part of the Flat Earth Society as well.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...pears-ramshackle/story-e6frg7uo-1226639688359