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Ricky Stuart quits Parramatta Eels for Canberra Raiders job

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Although David lost his job...he was fairly well compensated. The Raiders had to pay him out..The question I want to know is WHY Clubs insist on a multi-year contract. Sign them yearly and renew them yearly..
How many coaches have been speared in the past decade on the whim of a 'committee'. It is not the committee's money to fork out..It is the money the poor fans pay into membership....BUT the fans cop it in the neck again..Joke....

I truly understand the sentiment Pete. But I guess clubs want to sign coaches to multi-year contracts for the same reason that big businesses sign CEOs to multi-year deals. They want to be able to plan into the medium term, and they know that different coaches will prefer different distributions of $$$ on player strength in various positions. Also, players considering a contract offer rightly or wrongly want to have a vague idea who their coach is likely to be in 2 years time.

I think it makes sense to offer contracts roughly equivalent to your 'investment horizon' (how long it is going to take for the coach's longer term decisions to have their effect).

Where I reckon you are absolutely spot on is with respect to the board/committee stuff. This, in my opinion, is the root cause of our problem (and that of similar organisations). On the odd chance that we get the coaching system right, or at least passable, we inevitably have a farcical 'democratic' process that uproots the last bunch of part-timers and replaces them with a new bunch of part-timers.
 
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Poupou Escobar

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Although David lost his job...he was fairly well compensated. The Raiders had to pay him out..The question I want to know is WHY Clubs insist on a multi-year contract. Sign them yearly and renew them yearly.

Because people (including coaches) want job security.

So if you offer a one year contract and some other club offers a three year contract, the coach (or player) will almost certainly go elsewhere.
 

parra pete

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Because people (including coaches) want job security.

So if you offer a one year contract and some other club offers a three year contract, the coach (or player) will almost certainly go elsewhere.

They ALL should be on yearly contracts...imo...probably restraint of trade..the way they are turned over EVERYONE benefits...
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...g-job-still-up-in-the-air-20130904-2t4qj.html

Raiders coaching job still up in the air

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September 4, 2013 - 1:46PM

Chris Wilson
Sports editor at The Canberra Times

Raiders chairman John McIntyre admits his admiration for Ricky Stuart is ''no secret'', but McIntyre has again denied any backdoor approach to Stuart and insists he will not interfere in the search for Canberra's next coach.

Speculation is intensifying Stuart will officially enter the race for the Raiders' coaching job once the regular NRL season is complete this weekend.

Rumours linking Stuart with the Raiders have persisted since 2010, when then-coach David Furner was first under pressure to retain his position.

But things seem be aligning more than ever for Stuart and the Raiders.

Despite public denials, Fairfax Media understands the Raiders have informally sounded out Stuart since Furner's sacking two weeks ago.

The instability at Parramatta could provide Stuart with an exit clause in his contract to leave the Eels at season's end.

McIntyre has had a long association with Stuart and has spoken in the past of his desire to bring the three-time premiership winner back to the club in some capacity.

''There's no secret to that, but at this point in time, let's talk about the football team rather than anything else because you're only shadow-boxing or speculating,'' McIntyre said.

McIntyre said he had not talked to Stuart about interest in the Raiders coaching role and said he had faith in the board's appointed four-man subcommittee to find the best man for the job.

''We're not restricting them in any way, I'm confident they'll do their absolute best.''

The subcommittee will present its first update on the coaching search to the Raiders board this week.

The meeting will take place either on Friday morning – which will also determine the future of troubled centre Blake Ferguson – or another times prior to Sunday's final home match.

Stuart and former Raiders coach Neil Henry are shaping as early favourites, but the extensive list of candidates also includes Tim Sheens, Tony Smith, Kevin Walters, Andrew McFadden, Wayne Collins, Rick Stone and interim coach Andrew Dunemann.

Stuart does have strong personal support on the Raiders board, given Terry Weber and John Mackay are also committee members on the Ricky Stuart Foundation, a charitable organisation set up to raise awareness of autism.

Henry also has supporters, although he must contend with the stigma that he used an outclause in his contract to leave the Raiders at the end of 2008 to join the North Queensland Cowboys.

McFadden, who sought a release to leave the Raiders and take up an assistant coaching role at the New Zealand Warriors this season, confirmed he had applied for the role.

McFadden declared he was ''ready'' to step up and be an NRL coach.

McFadden was highly regarded at the Raiders before his departure and he hoped leaving the club at the end of 2012 would not count against him.

''I think they're professional enough to judge what I did on its merits and hopefully that doesn't go against me,'' McFadden said.

''The decision to move out of Canberra was a development thing for myself, I'd worked with Dave [Furner] for a while and I probably had a different thought on the way things should be going. I thought I needed to move on.''

McFadden talked to Raiders players after Saturday's 50-16 loss to the Warriors and could tell the tumultuous season had taken its toll.

But McFadden said the potential in Canberra's playing roster made it an attractive job for any NRL coach.

''It's been a long and hard year for a lot of them so you could certainly see the strain in them after the game, that's for sure,'' McFadden said.

''They're in a bit of a rut at the moment ... I don't think it's a massive job to turn that place around because they've clearly got a lot of talent and good people there.

''I just feel like I'm ready for that position, which is probably less about the coaching these days and more about managing the people around you.''
 

eel speel

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I truly understand the sentiment Pete. But I guess clubs want to sign coaches to multi-year contracts for the same reason that big businesses sign CEOs to multi-year deals. They want to be able to plan into the medium term, and they know that different coaches will prefer different distributions of $$$ on player strength in various positions. Also, players considering a contract offer rightly or wrongly want to have a vague idea who their coach is likely to be in 2 years time.

I think it makes sense to offer contracts roughly equivalent to your 'investment horizon' (how long it is going to take for the coach's longer term decisions to have their effect).

Where I reckon you are absolutely spot on is with respect to the board/committee stuff. This, in my opinion, is the root cause of our problem (and that of similar organisations). On the odd chance that we get the coaching system right, or at least passable, we inevitably have a farcical 'democratic' process that uproots the last bunch of part-timers and replaces them with a new bunch of part-timers.

Agree with most of this Barry but as Fatty Vautin said on 2UE on Sunday - "Manly has had a divided Board for the last few years but still keep producing results"
 

Casper The Ghost

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Who cares - In a sadistic sort of way, not that I'm sadistic,
I really miss games like this.
The heart & soul of Rugby League has been ripped out to the point
our game should no longer be called rugby league.
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Agree with most of this Barry but as Fatty Vautin said on 2UE on Sunday - "Manly has had a divided Board for the last few years but still keep producing results"

It's not a problem of having a divided Board (this is quite common). It is a problem of having a revolving door Board.
 

Joely01

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I'm hearing the follow in te coaching merry go round.
Sheens- dragons
Henry- raiders
Stuart- eels
Kevvie Walters- cowboys.
 
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They ALL should be on yearly contracts...imo...probably restraint of trade..the way they are turned over EVERYONE benefits...

What is so magic about a year then? Why not have weekly contracts? A contract for the first half, and players can renegotiate over the oranges? The contract lengths are the result of a negotiated process...I don't see how anyone benefits from interfering with the that. How does everyone benefit from a yearly spill of all contracts? The biggest beneficiaries would be companies that sell jerseys with players names on them.
 

natheel

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Darcy Lussick has also said Ricky is going to be there next year in his interview this week
 

El Diablo

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http://www.parraeels.com.au/news-display/83804

Message from Interim CEO Matt Phelan

Thursday 5 September 2013 6:00 PM

On Thursday, the Eels Interim CEO Matt Phelan recorded a message to the Blue and Gold Army based on the feedback he's been receiving from Members and fans.

Below is a short summary of his message.

On Monday night I had the privilege of speaking to some of our Members about some of the perceived issues facing the Eels at present.

The number one issue on everyone's lips is around our head coach, Ricky Stuart.

Ricky Stuart has given no indication to me that he will not be coaching at this great club for 2014 and 2015.

He is completely focussed on this weekend's fixture against the Newcastle Knights and all other conversations have been around our pre-season and pre-planning for 2014.

Two: the perceived disharmony and dysfunction of our existing board.

I attend board meetings monthly and I speak to our board members on a day-to-day basis, specifically our Chairman, Steve Sharp.

I have seen no indication that they are not working towards the success of Parramatta in 2014 and beyond.

Every conversation I have with them, whether it be in a board meeting or individually, is focussed on the success of this great club and returning it to the number one football club in the NRL.

An example of this and what they have achieved in a short time, is a return to Parramatta Stadium, and working tirelessly and being a lead player in securing the funds for the upgrade and redevelopment of Parramatta Stadium.

Thirdly: the negative press that's out there in the marketplace at the moment.

What needs to be understood is those peddling that message have no daily, direct involvement with this great club. Everyone who is working at the Parramatta Eels is 100 percent committed to returning your club to its rightful place as the number 1 club in the NRL.

But I don't want to leave you taking about the negatives. I want to talk about the positives that have occurred throughout 2013 and looking forward to 2014.

We've increased our Membership, on the back of our second wooden spoon, by 45 percent to over 17,000 valued Members.

We've increased our junior base by over 11 percent to 7,000 registered members.

We've increased our commercial revenues by in excess of 77 percent and we are deep in discussions with a number of corporate partners for 2014 and beyond.

We've retained players of the calibre of Jarryd Hayne, Jacob Loko and Mitch Allgood, and we welcome to this club the likes of Corey Norman, Will Hopoate, Nathan Peats, Lee Mossop, Brenden Santi and Justin Hunt.

We've signed a major commercial deal and partnership with the Northern Territory government for the next four years, which will see us bring a premiership game to Darwin and a trial game to Alice Springs, and we'll have a 365 day a year presence in the Northern Territory.

Blue and Gold Army, thanks for your time.

Thanks for your support. Let's see the boys get a win over the Knights on the weekend.

Go the Eels!
 

Avenger

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Steve Sharp spoke very well on the Game Plan. He stated that Stuart had not indicated that he was leaving, (didn't indicate he was staying either. ) I like Sharp, he comes across as a genuine bloke.
 

spartan2153

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The guy is the biggest hypoctrite in the game.

I cant wait to see the back of him. For all those bagging sharp for saying if stuart wants to leave we wont stay in his way. I like the fact he thinks well if he doesnt want to be at our club than we aint gonna beg him. Its not like stuart is a bennet, hasler or bellamy. He is more a mundine & the king of self promotion
 
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