http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...l-into-the-abyss/story-fnp0lyn3-1227271571196
More bad PR for the Club.....has Kent been reading the forums???
Also seems like some excuses for Mary threaded in there ("roster is shit" and so on)
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...l-into-the-abyss/story-fnp0lyn3-1227271571196
More bad PR for the Club.....has Kent been reading the forums???
St George Leagues Club. It was specifically about local promotion. I did clarify this.The club didnt promote the game???
Indeed.lets not start playing stupid just for the sake of it
Settle down. This is debate and discussion. If you can't understand that concept, then please feel free to take your ball and go.proof of the homebush financial benefit? I'll tell you what, how bout you research the financial benefits before you jump down peoples throats like you know everything.
Well... given your ability to pull figures out of your arse, I just thought a crowd figure would be a given.And how many would've gone to homebush? Who gives a f@ck, the same way fans abandoned our team to protest the board wiouldnt care how many turned up, BECAUSE THE CLUB IS GAURENTEED A PAY DAY.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...l-into-the-abyss/story-fnp0lyn3-1227271571196
More bad PR for the Club.....has Kent been reading the forums???
I'm just after the facts. Your argument seems to stem from a view that we all should "just move on."Such as? Compelling argument.Their board was sacked following the salary cap rort. Before that they were hardly a model club. Not really relevant, they don't own Belmore. Clubs have very little financial input into the upgrade of home grounds. Typically the funding comes from State and Local Governments.
Well there you go.Homebush is s better fit for Canterbury.
But do you really think that's the only reason for their financial situation? Canterbury have done a lot to turn things around. They embrace their fanbase and have improved their Leagues Club facilities. By all reports, their Clubhouse is a rich one with a growing patronage.
There were no shortcuts here, it took Canterbury a good 10 years to get back on an even keel. Meanwhile our Clubhouse has gone backwards and the mgt are looking to sell the farm. Heck, they don't even put a sign out the front to promote a Kogarah game.
lol@5ouff$
We are not Souths.
Well with respect, it sounds like you have a lot of faith in the board.
And again, please remember why we find ourselves in this position.
They do seem like soft targets when it comes to dealing with the business end of the NRL.Completely agree.
A number of decisions have completely baffled me the last couple of years.
Remember sitting in the sun at the SCG against the Tigers in 2013? With the presentation party with it's back to us? Or, as has been mentioned, celebrating John Sutton and all things Souths last year at the SCG? Even the Charity Shield is basically now a Souths home game. Played at their home, and I think even included in their membership package.
I wouldn't mind playing some games at the bigger venues if it meant getting a 'free' ticket to an away game as part of the deal. We play 4 games away from our 'homes'. We should get 4 'away' games. Seems reasonable??
Our management seem to be the pushovers of the NRL.
St George Leagues Club. It was specifically about local promotion. I did clarify this.
Indeed.
Settle down. This is debate and discussion. If you can't understand that concept, then please feel free to take your ball and go.
FYI, I have seen several different figures posted, ranging from $250K to $500K. You made the claim, so I am asking for a reference to this. Your claim = onus on you to back it up. Debate 101.
Well... given your ability to pull figures out of your arse, I just thought a crowd figure would be a given.
Haha. Don't start doing my thinking for me Grasshopper, it'll do your head in.With all due respect, by the look of your posts, seems that if the Dragons aren't playing at kogarah, it's pretty much a deal breaker for you.
I was hoping someone would bring this up.here is some evidence which indicates why it's better for us, from a pure financial perspective, to play more games at homebush.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...t-home-20140425-zqzf1.html?rand=1398520570682
Did I make that claim? No, I didn't.Where's your evidence to suggest that's it's financially better to play from kogarah?
10,000 to our first home game at Kogarah, new coach, new team, some nice hype. Thats a shamefull crowd.
Yes i understand people are taking a stand and not attending games, but that hurts the club.
Not true;The bulldogs have the biggest home crowd average of any sydney team
Pretty sure no one here is 'walking away' we are just pissed and ready to make ourselves heard.Walking away from the team because of the CEO and board is shamefull.
This is true, that's why we are getting outside this forum. What are you doing??Save our saints??? One things for certain, we cant save them by sitting at home and jumping on a forum.
Perhaps you are recalling the $400K we made from a SFS game. It was an ANZAC day fixture. Big game, NRL showcase. Looks like you're trying to compare a Monday night game to this.Post #25... Clearly states "around $400k"... now seeing as you say you'v heard between $250-$500k.... then "around the $400k" mark is pretty spot on.
I dont pull figures from my ass, you seem to be incapable of aknowledging that someone knows something that you dont.
Can you honestly say that getting 10,000 to kogarah is financially more viable then $400k?
Its tolerable if we wernt in financial shit, but given our financial situation, if the fans dont turn up to support our team at Kogarah and wollongong, then more games will be taken to homebush. That simple im afraid.
The club has the fans firmly by the balls, show up in big numbers, or games will be taken away.
yes i went to the game, as i do all home games. You say everyone is pissed and ready make themselves heard??? Where exactly? How bout making themselves heard at home games?Personally, I am not 'taking a stand' (sic) but Monday nights are hard to make. I did end up going though, did you?.
Not true;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Australian_football_code_crowds#Attendances_by_team
Pretty sure no one here is 'walking away' we are just pissed and ready to make ourselves heard.
This is true, that's why we are getting outside this forum. What are you doing??
Perhaps you are recalling the $400K we made from a SFS game. It was an ANZAC day fixture. Big game, NRL showcase. Looks like you're trying to compare a Monday night game to this.
You could always google it.
Edit: The 250-500K example was to illustrate how no one knows, people just posting shit. You can't use some wild figures and guesses and then take an average. FMD, you're hilarious. lol.
Haha. Don't start doing my thinking for me Grasshopper, it'll do your head in.
Sounds like the radio told you what you wanted to hear. lol @ "no brainer". The irony.
I was hoping someone would bring this up.
This article is almost 12 months old, and it was debated last year in JA. Unfortunately for the writer, some of the 'evidence' was found to be flawed. Someone only had to scratch beneath the surface. Link. Another Link. And yet another Link.
Apparently the capacity figures had not been properly researched and this brought the whole credibility of the article into question. Like many mainstream articles, it had the look of a public relations exercise.
Alas, the views of a writer with flawed research don't always count as evidence. Sorry, but I'm always wary of anyone trying to sell me a pup.
Did I make that claim? No, I didn't.
I am talking about the long term damage this is doing to Saints.
I question the notion of moving games away from our traditional supporter bases. The Club will point to NRL figures that say Saints are the 4th most supported team in western Sydney. That's right, 4th! This is the foundation of their argument, ie to build upon this 4th placing. But to so means the continual trashing of areas where we have 1st place. Does this make financial sense? Not in my books.
To turn this dream into a reality, the NRL and neutral venues will offer loads of incentives to the fans. Including lots of freebies, promotions and heavily discounted packages. If you gave the same commitment to Kogarah and W'gong... well there's your no brainer.
So who voted yes?
Perhaps you are recalling the $400K we made from a SFS game. It was an ANZAC day fixture. Big game, NRL showcase. Looks like you're trying to compare a Monday night game to this.
You could always google it.
Edit: The 250-500K example was to illustrate how no one knows, people just posting shit. You can't use some wild figures and guesses and then take an average. FMD, you're hilarious. lol.
Good question. I was smarter before I started talking to you.Are being serious now, how stupid are you?
Ah, so you admit that you made it up.Someone stating "around $400k" is not that person implying he knows that exact figure as a fact.
Anger management more like it.Get off your high horse, try contributing rather then picking peoples posts apart when you have NFI.
Could be written by the Queen of England, but it doesn't mean it's right. The article was ripped into last year. Look, I read your argument, and I gave my response. I can't help it if you don't want to pay it the same courtesy.Go back and check your post, 13. You wanted evidence, so I gave it to you. As flawed as you claim it to be, its still written by a reporter who happens to work for the largest australian newspaper. I have an article to back up my point of view (only that is financially more viable to play out of homebush), so besides your long winded replies, what's your evidence for your side of the argument?
Could be written by the Queen of England, but it doesn't mean it's right. The article was ripped into last year. Look, I read your argument, and I gave my response. I can't help it if you don't want to pay it the same courtesy.
Well given the length of the debate, perhaps it is a more pressing issue than first thought.Fair enough mate, I read all your posts. I'm pretty sure I said at around 2 this afternoon, there are other pressing issues, goes without saying, change of board......If we are financially stronger in the future, then this issue of playing at other grounds besides kogarah and Wollongong becomes non-existent.
yes i went to the game, as i do all home games.
How much more 'proper' do you want this to get before you get involved?i dont get involved in the barking at doust and the board, not because i support them, but because untill a proper movement is made
Me too. That's got little, if anything, to do with those pushing #SaveOurSaintsi refuse to be seen next to a "oust doust" banner that looks like a 2 year old wrote it.
I'm with you here too. That 'protest' was half arsed, at best, and misguided (Mr Doust is NOT the problem, something most on here understand)ill be dammed if i show my face at a protest that spread rumour of over 600 people attending yet only 14 showed up holding a child like banner.
#SaveOurSaints has, so far, made the back page of the Telegraph, Fox, SMH, MMM and Sportal online as well as getting a mention on all the radio stations in Sydney the give a shit about RL. It's fair to say there is some unprofessional involvement, but the movement has been heard.Iv said all along, rather then make these quick decisions and get embarrassed, whats needed is for someone to seek a professional opinion on the best option to take in regards to getting the point across.
I assure you, there is more than 5K involved with #SaveOurSaints.i assure you, that action, will have over 5000 fans attending.
Not sure, but it's clear that he and the board realise that things are far from rosy right now.Doust has been CEO for 15 years, you think 14 people holding a banner scares him? You think #saveoursaints worries him?
How certain are you of this? He's bothered to make a public statement, something that only happens when things are going really poorly, I believe he and the board are listening right now. Neither of us know the truth.He is having a mighty good laugh while sinking a cold crownie.