News Do you care if Israel Folau returns to the NRL?

[Whip Whitaker]

Do I?

Or am I just pointing out that our ancestors were more primitive people, with more primitive ideas?

Here's a hint, it's that one, not whatever half-arsed obfuscation you've attempted to spin.

Also, universally against homosexuality? Have you ever studied a history book? The Greeks and Romans certainly weren't. Most cultures didn't give a shit. Hell, even the Christians didn't care a jot about who you rooted until about the 12th century.

Then we can get on to homosexuality in nature, if you like.

Many Greek and Roman aristocrats engaged in homosexual acts, but they married the opposite sex.

 

[Whip Whitaker]

WTF? He's suggesting because something wasn't ok then it's not ok now. Pitting East v West historically isn't remotely relevant here.

Yet I mentioned relativism earlier which he probably did not even comprehend.

 

[age.s]

God who cares. Let them be gay. Let Israel be a backwards douche. Let us laugh at him.

For a supposed tolerant society we sure do have a problem with wrongthink.

 

[Shark62]

Do you even know what the word even means?

Yes it means flat. As in ‘it’s even’.

 

[Whip Whitaker]

God who cares. Let them be gay. Let Israel be a backwards douche. Let us laugh at him.

For a supposed tolerant society we sure do have a problem with wrongthink.

It's great to see tolerance goes both ways.... to homosexuals and religious people.....

 

[Timbo]

Many Greek and Roman aristocrats engaged in homosexual acts, but they married the opposite sex.

What the f**k does that matter? It means they accepted homosexuality as a practice and were less bigoted than a footballer 2,000+ years later.

 

[Bazal]

Many Greek and Roman aristocrats engaged in homosexual acts, but they married the opposite sex.

Obfuscation.

I didn't mention marriage. Did you mention marriage? What does the arbitrary construction that is marriage have to do with homosexuality? Don't shift the goalposts

You said:

Yet, both Eastern and Western cultures were universally against homosexuality back then

But now you're saying:

Many Greek and Roman aristocrats engaged in homosexual acts, but they married the opposite sex.

So were they universally against homosexuality, or did many of them practice homosexual acts

 

[Whip Whitaker]

What the f**k does that matter? It means they accepted homosexuality as a practice and were less bigoted than a footballer 2,000+ years later.

What matters is people take a slice of what they think is history to make an argument. You correct their understanding, so they then change the subject.

 

[Shark62]

Many Greek and Roman aristocrats engaged in homosexual acts, but they married the opposite sex.

Jesus was gay you know. John was the apostle he loved.

 

[Whip Whitaker]

Jesus was gay you know. John was the apostle he loved.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Bazal]

God who cares. Let them be gay. Let Israel be a backwards douche. Let us laugh at him.

For a supposed tolerant society we sure do have a problem with wrongthink.

It's great to see tolerance goes both ways.... to homosexuals and religious people.....

Why should tolerance extend to tolerating intolerance?

This isn't about being intolerant of religion. It's about being intolerant of homophobia. Religion is an outdated concept that is utterly irrelevant in the modern world, but I do not begrudge anyone faith. I grew up Catholic.

What I do begrudge is homophobia, and bigotry in general. And honestly any religion or other organisation that has tenets based in homophobia deserves to be consigned to the past where it belongs.

 

[Whip Whitaker]

Obfuscation.

I didn't mention marriage. Did you mention marriage? What does the arbitrary construction that is marriage have to do with homosexuality? Don't shift the goalposts

You said:



But now you're saying:



So were they universally against homosexuality, or did many of them practice homosexual acts

I've had my say and I am not going to let this go back and forward anymore.

 

[Bazal]

What matters is people take a slice of what they think is history to make an argument. You correct their understanding, so they then change the subject.

Haha. Yes, that's exactly what you've just done when I corrected your incorrect slice of history. I quoted it for you and everything.

And now you've run away after your falsehoods were questioned

 

[Pommy]

Jesus was gay you know. John was the apostle he loved.

He must have been the gay lord.

 

[Shark62]

Ignorance is bliss.

Sorry I was being relativist. You like that.

 

[Whip Whitaker]

Why should tolerance extend to tolerating intolerance?

Because you are either tolerant or not. End of story.

 

[Whip Whitaker]

Haha. Yes, that's exactly what you've just done when I corrected your incorrect slice of history. I quoted it for you and everything.

And now you've run away after your falsehoods were questioned

I am up for a debate. Not sure the rest of LU is. I put my hand up... I have had a strong role in (inadvertently) derailing this thread.

 

[Shark62]

He must have been the gay lord.

Indeed. At least you have a sense of humour. Poor old whip doesn’t. We’re going to hell Pommy!

 

[Shark62]

I am up for a debate. Not sure the rest of LU is. I put my hand up... I have had a strong role in (inadvertently) derailing this thread.

its all relative.

 

[Bazal]

Because you are either tolerant or not. End of story.

Total and unadulterated horse shit

By that measure, we should be tolerant of anything. Rape is fine, so is murder. Paedophilia too...after all. you are either tolerant or not. End of story.

Right?