Canterbury cup vs Wests

[OldPanther]

Calling someone a “once in a generation” player is a throwaway?!

This is going nowhere because you're ignoring what my point actually is. I just tried to lay it out and you want to focus on this. I really don't care how good he will or won't be, I'll just paste what I said before:

My entire point is just about keeping Burton and Luai in the spine. Funny part is the absolutebest way possible would actually be Cleary to 9 but I haven't mentioned it because I know theclub wouldn't consider it, or I doubt they would.

 

[herbert henry1908]

This is going nowhere because you're ignoring what my point actually is. I just tried to lay it out and you want to focus on this. I really don't care how good he will or won't be, I'll just paste what I said before:

My entire point is just about keeping Burton and Luai in the spine. Funny part is the absolutebest way possible would actually be Cleary to 9 but I haven't mentioned it because I know theclub wouldn't consider it, or I doubt they would.

I get your point, think you should consider how you label players.

This is classic Penrith hype train, and honestly I think it does the players no good.


There’s simply no evidence Burton would be a better fullback than Edwards, Staines or Laurie. We’re taking a guess. Some guys won’t adapt to such a specialised position.

I agree he should be given the chance to see if he’s a fullback, but don’t pencil him in.

 

[OldPanther]

I get your point, think you should consider how you label players.

This is classic Penrith hype train, and honestly I think it does the players no good.


There’s simply no evidence Burton would be a better fullback than Edwards, Staines or Laurie. We’re taking a guess. Some guys won’t adapt to such a specialised position.

I agree he should be given the chance to see if he’s a fullback, but don’t pencil him in.

And I tried to compromise with you on the label.

It's not typical Panthers hype because I don't do that. I'm not other people and their Panthers tinted glasses as proven by my discussion around Egan. Huge fan but I've agreed multiple times on bringing in a hooker because of what is best for the team.

Yes there is an element of speculation but what good is the forum if we had concrete proof for everything? Might as well not be here. We do know for an absolute fact he is and always will be a better ball player and has better footwork than Edwards.

I'm happy to agree on, and have previously, that being given a go to see what happens is reasonable. If it doesn't work so be it.

 

[Kilkenny]

I get your point, think you should consider how you label players.

This is classic Penrith hype train, and honestly I think it does the players no good.


There’s simply no evidence Burton would be a better fullback than Edwards, Staines or Laurie. We’re taking a guess. Some guys won’t adapt to such a specialised position.

I agree he should be given the chance to see if he’s a fullback, but don’t pencil him in.

I sort of agree other than I don’t want to see Burton tried as a fullback. We have a good one and two potential good ones coming thru.

I don’t understand the whole lets play so and so in a different position to the one they have largely played there entire junior career.

Dylan Edwards has bounced back remarkably well after being left out earlier in the season and someone is going to have to be very good to take the position of him in 2020 should his form continue. Suggestions we play Burton there just to get him into the 17 are just silly and equally silly are the suggestions Burton could be accommodated in the centres. He is a 5/8 and next season should be shootout between him and Laui and may the best man win.

 

[OldPanther]

I sort of agree other than I don’t want to see Burton tried as a fullback. We have a good one and two potential good ones coming thru.

I don’t understand the whole lets play so and so in a different position to the one they have largely played there entire junior career.

Dylan Edwards has bounced back remarkably well after being left out earlier in the season and someone is going to have to be very good to take the position of him in 2020 should his form continue. Suggestions we play Burton there just to get him into the 17 are just silly and equally silly are the suggestions Burton could be accommodated in the centres. He is a 5/8 and next season should be shootout between him and Laui and may the best man win.

You're right. Either 5/8 or bust.

I get I am campaigning for something based on a little faith but to completely exclude possibilities is too far the other way.

We need to play our best 17 whatever that may be. Unfortunately for Edwards I think someone with better ball playing will take over from him in the near future. It might not be Burton but it's my hypothesis that he'd do well based on the skill set I've seen in reserves and his first grade game.

 

[Kilkenny]

You're right. Either 5/8 or bust.

I get I am campaigning for something based on a little faith but to completely exclude possibilities is too far the other way.

We need to play our best 17 whatever that may be. Unfortunately for Edwards I think someone with better ball playing will take over from him in the near future. It might not be Burton but it's my hypothesis that he'd do well based on the skill set I've seen in reserves and his first grade game.

Out of the 16 NRL clubs how many ‘ball playing’ fullbacks are there actually.

Off the top of my head perhaps only Matty Moylan if the truth be known. Most are simply runners of the football, some make more hit up metres than others, some have more electrifying pace than others and then there Teddy and Tommy T who really are just devastating runners of the footy.

We had a ball playing fullback and he left under disappointing circumstances.

 

[unKwn]

i think the (hopefully) improved attacking structures under barrett will see dyl’s attacking and ball playing improve. if not, then we gotta try out laurie or staines.

 

[unKwn]

Out of the 16 NRL clubs how many ‘ball playing’ fullbacks are there actually.

Off the top of my head perhaps only Matty Moylan if the truth be known. Most are simply runners of the football, some make more hit up metres than others, some have more electrifying pace than others and then there Teddy and Tommy T who really are just devastating runners of the footy.

We had a ball playing fullback and he left under disappointing circumstances.

ponga is most definitely a ball player. tedesco has developed a really good passing game since coming to roosters (but his strength is still his running game). rts’ elusiveness and step allows him to ball play.

 

[Kilkenny]

We seem to have this obsession with having a ball playing fullback when it would appear we don’t have a ball playing half back.

 

[unKwn]

We seem to have this obsession with having a ball playing fullback when it would appear we don’t have a ball playing half back.

i think the lack of a ball playing halfback is the reason for our obsession for a ball playing fullback

 

[OldPanther]

Out of the 16 NRL clubs how many ‘ball playing’ fullbacks are there actually.

Off the top of my head perhaps only Matty Moylan if the truth be known. Most are simply runners of the football, some make more hit up metres than others, some have more electrifying pace than others and then there Teddy and Tommy T who really are just devastating runners of the footy.

We had a ball playing fullback and he left under disappointing circumstances.

Tommy T, Tedesco, Ponga can all ball play wonderfully when the opportunity arises with Ponga being the best. An in form Darius Boyd was best Known for his cut out pass and Slater developed a passing game. Even Edwards said himself he needs to be better with it.

The ability to play make is essential from a fullback.

 

[Flashstep]

We seem to have this obsession with having a ball playing fullback when it would appear we don’t have a ball playing half back.

This is why I would like to have a ball playing fullback, if we had someone like DCE I would be stoked to have Edwards playing off the back of him.

Problem is the club has gone all in on Nathan Cleary, I don’t think it was the right decision but we have to live with it for the foreseeable future

 

[OldPanther]

We seem to have this obsession with having a ball playing fullback when it would appear we don’t have a ball playing half back.

Our first try against Raiders and Edwards second try against dragons says your wrong. Nice deflection though.

 

[age.s]

Out of the 16 NRL clubs how many ‘ball playing’ fullbacks are there actually.

Off the top of my head perhaps only Matty Moylan if the truth be known. Most are simply runners of the football, some make more hit up metres than others, some have more electrifying pace than others and then there Teddy and Tommy T who really are just devastating runners of the footy.

We had a ball playing fullback and he left under disappointing circumstances.

Milford and Norman come to mind.

 

[Kilkenny]

Tommy T, Tedesco, Ponga can all ball play wonderfully when the opportunity arises with Ponga being the best. An in form Darius Boyd was best Known for his cut out pass and Slater developed a passing game. Even Edwards said himself he needs to be better with it.

The ability to play make is essential from a fullback.

I understand what your saying but at the same time your talking about players commanding $1M or more per season. They are saying Ponga’s next deal could be $1.5M a season. Really. At the end of the day all three are best known for there running ability and if they throw a pass after the break they make leading to a try happy days. All I am saying is look at all 16 NRL fullbacks and see what they bring to there team and I say the only true ball player among them is actually Matt Moylan.

 

[Kilkenny]

Milford and Norman come to mind.

Both halves playing out of position at fullback and I wouldn’t swap Dylan for either of them.

 

[age.s]

Both halves playing out of position at fullback and I wouldn’t swap Dylan for either of them.

I don't disagree with you there, just adding a couple of names to the mix.

I don't mind Milford at FB tbf but then he's not a bad runner of the ball either.

 

[OldPanther]

I understand what your saying but at the same time your talking about players commanding $1M or more per season. They are saying Ponga’s next deal could be $1.5M a season. Really. At the end of the day all three are best known for there running ability and if they throw a pass after the break they make leading to a try happy days. All I am saying is look at all 16 NRL fullbacks and see what they bring to there team and I say the only true ball player among them is actually Matt Moylan.

They are excellent runners and it might be there better skill but they can all play make before the line as well. They command the bigger money because they can play make like a half as well as run because it's such a valuable commodity. Any top 8 team who is serious needs it.

Milford started at fullback for the Raiders.

 

[Abacus]

So we're agreed? Burton to start 2020 at left centre?

 

[OldPanther]

So we're agreed? Burton to start 2020 at left centre?

I think so. With the view he transitions to 6 later. @Dave's mate @herbert henry1908

That way if Staines is everything people are expecting we end up losing Luai and Edwards but have an overall better roster eventually.