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Gould reviewing Dragons.

utility dragon

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so mary wanted gould for the review? hmmm
Dragons are reporting that Mary contacted Gus?? WTF
Don’t you all think that stinks?
Mcd$ckhead has covered his arse again, as if Gould is going to knife the guy who brought him in.
Fxck me!!!!!!
He is going to escape again.
That f?ckwit Mcd&ckhead will be our coach again don’t worry just more money wasted on Gould.
 

blacksafake

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That says it all meeting with BJ and Mary ..... If McGregor was going he wouldn't be meeting with them.... It was a glimmer of hope there at one stage , but now its gone .... Welcome aboard again Mary...
Gould said he got a call from Mary to conduct a review lol. He & Mary a mates so there’s no chance whatsoever that Gould will have anything but positive comments about the coach. Probably just an excuse so that when staff are punted they’ll say it was Gould’s idea:thinking:.
What a total waste of time :rage:
 

possm

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It is remarkable that they continue to think it is not Mcidiots inability but everyone else. So next will be the players didn't follow instruction, the tea lady served the tea to cold.
If not Mary, who is going to take the fall. Surely Gould would not want it on his resume that he couldn't see that Mary is the problem.
 
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Let’s hope Gus tales note of what some players say. I won’t name anyone but a certain player who shall be at another club next season has nothing but disgust with how some players have been treated and lied to by this imposter. Been told he cares for no one but his own back side. Some won’t come out and say anything but the way some of these lower graders have been treated and misguided is nothing but abhorrent. Players have no respect for him or anything he says. Some don’t really want to be chosen nor do they care to. And I was told his best mate is the son of the owner of WIN. How have we got here with this guy in charge. Can anyone confirm this.
 
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A strong independent voice getting a say. Doesn’t guarantee a result, but it’s a positive.

Mate, there's nothing positive about it. A review with a predetermined outcome is nothing less than a hatchet job. Happens all the time in politics. And our board know how to play that game. You can bet your house that Andrew Gordon fully supports this 'review'.

Straight Shooter
 

Wittenberg

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I have been very critical of Brian No Balls Johnston but I kind of feel sorry for him. Mary seems to have all the league writers/ commentators on side. Mary seems to be dictating how the review will take place and the result..... some assistants flicked. BJ seems to have no power and would have to go against the tide of media spin to do the right thing
 

Warabrook saint

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It is remarkable that they continue to think it is not Mcidiots inability but everyone else. So next will be the players didn't follow instruction, the tea lady served the tea to cold.
They know he's incapable they just don't want to get rid of him because he's an old boy and everybodys best mate. Except to the poor ol scapegoats
 

Warabrook saint

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Mate, there's nothing positive about it. A review with a predetermined outcome is nothing less than a hatchet job. Happens all the time in politics. And our board know how to play that game. You can bet your house that Andrew Gordon fully supports this 'review'.

Straight Shooter
I just hope all our supporters see through this bull#hit and show the bull#hiters were not buying it, and voice our disgust with our feet
 

sa1nt5

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Which ever way you look at it this is positive news!

A strong independent voice getting a say. Doesn’t guarantee a result, but it’s a positive.
No this is just a con, not an outside voice Gus is not getting paid for this it’s a love job and as such nothing changes, not until McGregor starts blaming BJ or the board for his ineptitude. If Gus does this as a mate and McGregor stays I hope he loses all professional integrity for this pos.The fans can be collateral damage here it doesn’t matter to them. Sigh we are going to have to front these clowns en mass before anything changes. I really am heartbroken. Just fkn crushed but we will suffer through another year of the same. At least the titans board have some balls and business nous our board are infected with cronyism
 
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sa1nt5

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I think you were concise. I’d love for it to play out as you’ve described, but I think that Mary is a symptom of a larger problem.

Bennett was able to overcome the problem because of the strength of his character. I don’t see Mary, even with Gould’s backing, being able to do the same. The only coaches I can see doing it would be Bellamy, Hasler and Flanagan. Ruthless bastards the lot of them.
Shaun Wane is as ruthless as next coach he is wildly successful and wants an NRL job . The failure stays embedded and f**k everyone else that means you me the players and anyone not reading this. Dead set this bloke has got something on someone. Someone has to be being held to ransom as no one is this fkn stupid surely
 

sa1nt5

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Being directly paid or not is irrelevant.

Gotta f**king laugh at some of the fans view on social media, suggesting that Gould wouldn't risk his reputation ..

Gus is a media machine. Its win win for him.

2020, Saints improve = Gus's magic.
2020, Saints fade = Gus having minimal say and his suggestions not implemented due to financial restraints. .

In the meantime, he will be the talking point for the weeks leading into next season, helping his various roles on TV, print and radio.

Good luck to him.

Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy Mary for next season.
Unfortunately this is spot on however it may backfire and Gus loses his professional integrity fingers crossed
 

getsmarty

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Inside the Dragons' season from hell: 'Everyday, the fans tell me to sack Mary'
Andrew Webster
September 6, 2019 — 8.00pm
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At 4.03pm on Friday, May 17, Dragons coach Paul McGregor sat in front a television in his team's hotel in Mudgee.

He was waiting for the breaking news about their star forward, Jack de Belin, who had taken the Australian Rugby League Commission to the Federal Court over its controversial “no-fault stand down” policy.

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Under pressure ... Dragons coach Paul McGregor is fighting to keep his job.Credit:AAP

The Australian and NSW player had been sidelined indefinitely after being charged by police in December following an alleged rape of a 19-year-old woman.

But he was going to be OK to play while the court case played out, according to the Dragons.

For weeks McGregor and the players convinced themselves that the judgment would fall their way. The coach was certain de Belin would be allowed to play on.

De Belin, 28, had continued training with the side, cutting teammates in half in opposed sessions. All that was needed now was the favourable Federal Court judgement that would allow him to take his place on the bench for the match against the Knights in two days' time.

When the news broke at 4.03pm that Justice Melissa Perry had found in the ARLC’s favour — and overwhelmingly so — McGregor was speechless. As for the players, they were furious.

Two days later, the Knights whipped the Dragons 45-12.

In the past week, as speculation swirls about McGregor’s future with his side sitting second last on the ladder, the Herald has spoken to several people at St George Illawarra about how their season has crashed and burned.

They identify this moment in May as the chief reason, as much as angry fans say it’s a cop-out. Nobody at the Dragons anticipated de Belin wouldn’t be playing this season. Perhaps they should have.

While any coach will stand by a player protesting his innocence, it was naive and flawed for McGregor to assume how the Federal Court would rule in such a complex matter.

Can this be the only reason for the Dragons' season from hell? No, and that's the mess the Dragons must unravel and quickly.

“Every day, I’m getting disgruntled supporters asking if I’m sacking Mary,” said Dragons chief executive Brian Johnston, the only person at the Dragons prepared to go on the record. “I tell them that we’re going through a process. We need to follow the process while we have existing [lower grade] teams in the semi-finals. We need to pay respect to them and keep some continuity because all this talk is a distraction at the moment.

“I understand the fans are hurting. We’re all hurting in here. All the staff are suffering more than perhaps some of the players. We’re the one team on the field, off the field, in the office and at home. We all stick together when best we can in the challenging times.”

The "process" is an independent review in the off-season across the entire football department, which will partly involve Phil Gould, who coached McGregor as a player for NSW in the 1990s.

McGregor has regularly sought counsel from the former Panthers general manager, and last week asked him to be an "external set of eyes". Gould has already spoken to McGregor and will speak to senior staff and players next week. He will not make a call on the coach's future, and isn't expected to have any role at the club beyond that.

It already seems decided, though, that assistant coaches Ben Hornby and Mathew Head will be sacked while Dean Young is tipped to survive. He’s considered a head coach of the future, but he’s not yet ready.

Link added: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/in...ans-tell-me-to-sack-mary-20190906-p52oj8.html
 
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Part 2

But what of the head coach?

Johnston cannot sack McGregor. Only the Dragons board can do that, although the chief executive can make a recommendation.

There are rumblings from the St George side of the merger — although not from their four appointed directors — that a heavy loss to the bottom-placed Titans on the Gold Coast on Saturday night will mean he must go.

Excuses can easily be made — the de Belin saga, captain Gareth Widdop asking for a release, a heavy injury toll — but the manner in which the Dragons have played post-Origin is not acceptable.

The lowest point came in the 77th minute of Sunday’s 42-14 loss to the Wests Tigers at the SCG.

On the other side of halfway, Tigers replacement Josh Reynolds jumped out of dummy half and scooted away as the Dragons’ two markers — Tyson Frizell and Korbin Sims — passively drifted the other way.

Reynolds came to halfback Ben Hunt, who almost appeared to get out the way as Reynolds breezed past before passing inside to Elijah Taylor. Widdop and Jackson Ford came across in cover from different angles but instead of stopping him comically ran into each other as Taylor scored.

In the stands, the Red V faithful among the paltry crowd of 9000 dropped their heads in disappointment, shame, anger.

“Mary hasn’t lost the dressing-room,” insists one Dragons insider.

Maybe not. But, tellingly, his most disappointing players of late have been his senior ones.

What looks likely to save his skin is the decision in April, after just five matches, to re-sign him for a further two years.

The club argues it was done so early to provide stability after a pre-season of madness around de Belin. Another reason often tossed up: he had a 51 per cent winning percentage — the fifth best in the NRL. (McGregor's success rate has dipped to 47 per cent, which is ranked 10th among the current coaches).

This is the point in the discussion when the eyes of Dragons supporters roll back into their heads.

This stat — like all the other numbers regularly tossed up like tries conceded from kicks and so forth — is irrelevant.

What matters most is how you finish the season.

The Dragons finished 11th after McGregor replaced the sacked Steve Price in May. In 2015, they finished eighth but lost to the Bulldogs in the first week of the finals. In 2016, they finished 11th. In 2017, ninth. Last year, after finishing seventh, they pumped the Broncos in the first week of the finals. This remains McGregor’s only finals win after Souths beat his team 13-12 the following week.

This season, the Dragons will finish second last.

No performance clause for the remainder of the season was put in McGregor’s contract extension — nor a clause about paying him out early.

It means it will cost the Dragons roughly $1.2 million to get rid of their coach. Then the club would need to spend more money on a replacement.

How did the club snooker itself like this? Why, after years of notorious late-season fade-outs, didn’t it wait?

When the WIN Corporation last year bought out Illawarra’s 50 per cent stake in the club, it future-proofed the club’s finances. But questions are now being asked by people within the club just how deep the Gordon family, which owns WIN, wants to dig into its pockets.

Dragons chairman Andrew Gordon declined to comment when contacted.

In McGregor’s defence, seasons rarely come much worse, the rot setting in as far back as October when Widdop asked for a release despite having three seasons to run on his deal, because he wanted to return to England.

That rocked the Dragons. It also prompted them to chase Corey Norman, who was on the outer at the Eels.

Securing Norman meant they burned through the salary cap money set aside for a winger, which they needed after Nene Macdonald was released to the Cowboys.

Widdop’s horrific shoulder injury in the early season win over the Broncos seemed to alleviate McGregor’s issues with the spine, allowing Norman to stay in the halves with last year’s regular fullback, Matt Dufty, back in the No.1.

Instead of bringing stability, McGregor has chopped and changed his back three — although, admittedly, sometimes because of injury. Meanwhile, his centres Tim Lafai and Euan Aitken, have become the backline's weakest links.

Yes, the injury gods have not been kind: Widdop, Norman, Frizell, James Graham, Zac Lomax, Tariq and Korbin Sims have all have all spent considerable time on the sidelines.

There have been six broken bones among the playing group. That’s not high-performance mismanagement but merely bad luck.

But the Dragons have mostly been at full strength post-Origin. Last year, after establishing themselves as the competition “benchmark” before face-planting after the interstate series, the need to rest and manage representative players was identified. What happened?

Halfback Ben Hunt, the highest paid player in the club, has been the worst of them.

The most common line out of the club about him is that he takes defeat and criticism to heart. That is a staggering assessment for an Australian and Queensland player, on that much money.

Dragons recruitment manager Ian Millward has received some heat for signing Hunt on $1.2 million per season. It’s a lot of cap space for a player who bruises easily.

But it was McGregor who wanted the former Broncos halfback. “He’s always been the one I wanted,” the coach said early last season when Hunt was firing. It is similar to his statement before this season that “this is the squad I’ve always wanted”.

They are statements Dragons fans have not forgotten.

Sacking the coach, though, is problematic. If he goes, who replaces him?

The campaign for deregistered former Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan is on in earnest but it won’t happen. The NRL won’t say it publicly but his only hope of coaching anywhere next year would be as an assistant.

Other “recycled” coaches are less appealing. Neil Henry or Anthony Griffin? Both have been sacked by their last two clubs. Nathan Brown or Trent Barrett? One’s already had a go while the other couldn’t get a star-studded Manly to the finals.

The obvious candidates are former players Craig Fitzgibbon and Jason Ryles.

But Fitzgibbon has recently signed a fat three-year extension as Trent Robinson’s assistant at the Roosters. Ryles is highly regarded at the Storm but is he ready to piece together a broken team?

Despite the noise about him needing to beat the Titans to survive, McGregor is expected to keep his job because of the size of the payout.

And, if he does, he will be looking for considerable bounce back in 2020.

De Belin’s trial in Wollongong District Court will start on March 2 and is likely to last two weeks, meaning it will finish days before the start of the 2020 season.

Regardless of the verdict, it means he can no longer be used as an excuse if the Dragons fail — again.


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/in...ans-tell-me-to-sack-mary-20190906-p52oj8.html
 

sa1nt5

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Thanks for explaining

I may not agree with it all, but it’s as valid an opinion as most, and explained with some basis. Cheers.

Worst case scenario he comes in, makes comments and leaves... but can you imagine Gould putting his name to bs and holding his real opinion? And not stating if the board goes different directions? He board will need to listen to another informed decision, and defend itself if it goes against that opinion. Maybe not the best outcome, but better than an unexplained continuation.

Best case we get a revamp and move in the right direction.

I am a little concerned about another rookie coach, but none of the experienced coaches are clearly the best. I would think Gould could recommend the best option, and I. The case of a rookie, mentor him.

And ... if they keep Mary, maybe he could remove the stupid to some extent... (but I cant see how they can keep Mary tbh)
The best coach is available and wants an NRL job he is the pommy version of Bellamy
 

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NRL: Besieged St George Illawarra Dragons call in Phil Gould
Adam Pengilly19:58, Sep 06 2019
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St George Illawarra will bring in Phil Gould to assist with the club's end-of-season review and hope he can help trigger a turnaround akin to the one North Queensland enjoyed after he answered an SOS from the Cowboys nearly a decade ago.

The former Penrith supremo, who sought redundancy from his role with the Panthers earlier this year, will make his first foray back into clubland after agreeing to take part in the review.

St George Illawarra chief executive Brian Johnston previously confirmed the club would undertake a wide-ranging assessment of their entire football operation – and it has now emerged Gould will be a central figure in that work.

Embattled coach Paul McGregor has been under fire from sections of the Dragons' fan base after a woeful season which will be the Red V's worst in the history of the joint venture. But McGregor is poised to retain his job at the start of next season.

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He signed a two-year extension earlier this year, but the Dragons' season has been blighted by the Jack de Belin drama and long-term injuries to key players such as outgoing captain Gareth Widdop.

While the Dragons are desperate to put the year behind them and at least finish off on a good note against the last-placed Gold Coast on the holiday strip on Saturday night, they have sought Gould's counsel about how to revive the club's on-field fortunes.

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Dragons coach Paul McGregor has had an unhappy year in charge, but is poised to stay.
"Nobody at the club is happy with how the Dragons have performed and that's extended to all our stakeholders including members and supporters," Johnston said in a statement. "We are committed to reviewing all aspects of our football department to ensure improvement in 2020."

Johnston confirmed Gould would be part of the process.

Second-from-bottom St George Illawarra will only be saved from the wooden spoon by the Titans. They've lost eight of their last nine matches.

Gould often fields offers from NRL clubs about consultancy work, but perhaps had his biggest impact on the Cowboys when delving into their operation in 2010.

NSW Origin's most successful coach made recommendations to the club, which would go on to win its first premiership in 2015 after Johnathan Thurston's golden point heroics in the grand final.


It's not the first time St George Illawarra has undertaken a wholesale review of its football department, respected sports administrator Dirk Melton tabling a report after the 2016 season.

McGregor led the Dragons to within one win of the finals the following year before the Red V won their first play-off match since the 2010 grand final 12 months later, a mark they never looked like reaching this time around.

"No one in the football department is enthusiastic with the outcome this year, but you need to get stronger and learn from the experiences," McGregor said before the Gold Coast clash. "We all do that.

"Ladder position won't change, but certainly [on] the occasion we want to go out and play our best football and enjoy the contest. We've got to have the right mental attitude as a team and some self pride in our own performance. We'd like to send our fans out enjoying the last game of the season."

Widdop will play his last game before joining Super League giants Warrington while Jeremy Latimore will retire from the NRL.



Sydney Morning Herald


https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/leagu...t-george-illawarra-dragons-call-in-phil-gould
 
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