Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[OldPanther]

Still not how it should be ruled

The moment he grabbed the jersey he forced the refs hand. That was an intentional act to disadvantage a player without the ball in a try scoring situation. There is no other way this can be or should be ruled.

 

[Exsilium]

Jack Bird is a quality player. He should never have moved to the Donkeys but at the right price, he’d offer more than Whare and Naden.

He can also play 5/8 and has moonlighted at FB.

If I had to choose between Walker and Bird. I’d go with Walker.

Bird is a natural footballer and can create opportunities but Walker is tenacious and has a lot of creativity.

 

[franklin2323]

The moment he grabbed the jersey he forced the refs hand. That was an intentional act to disadvantage a player without the ball in a try scoring situation. There is no other way this can be or should be ruled.

It was a penalty not a sin bin. The moment a player ends up on the ground it always now ruled a sin bin. Each case should be on it's merit as should the late hits on playmakers and obstruction calls.

 

[OldPanther]

It was a penalty not a sin bin. The moment a player ends up on the ground it always now ruled a sin bin. Each case should be on it's merit as should the late hits on playmakers and obstruction calls.

That's not true at all, hitting the ground had nothing to do with it. It was ruled sin bin because he grabbed the player who was running support in a possible try scoring situation. It's exactly what the rule is intended for.

Also having discretion in calls is half the problem in games. Give black and white rulings and teams either play by the rules or they don't. Discretion is why we have some things called and not other and fans saying their team got robbed.

 

[Tronald Crump]

It's frustrating that they just say teams are interested without anything backing it up. If any of us did that we'd be shot down as making things up and spreading rumors but the media get a pass because they have a platform.

That is because a fair few of the media are scum.
If they are not ruining peoples lives with their lies they are driving home their agendas. The only time they put their hand up and say they got it wrong is when they are been sued for defamation.

Bird has been linked to us, Saints, Bulldogs, Tigers, Eels and Sharks over the past 2 days without a shred a credibility. They don't know.

Its the same when a coach gets the sack. Within a few hours the usual dregs are thrown up as candidates. A couple of days later the names change.

They are throwing darts and hoping they hit a target.

They had Koroisau going to the Dogs. Signed sealed and delivered. They were wrong.
With us, most of the players we sign are not predicted by them. If they are its last minute.

 

[Exsilium]

That's not true at all, hitting the ground had nothing to do with it. It was ruled sin bin because he grabbed the player who was running support in a possible try scoring situation. It's exactly what the rule is intended for.

Also having discretion in calls is half the problem in games. Give black and white rulings and teams either play by the rules or they don't. Discretion is why we have some things called and not other and fans saying their team got robbed.

My only issue with the “try scoring situation” argument is that gagai was covered on the inside. The ball runner went to his outside man and if he had of passed inside to gagai, there’s no guarantee he scores.

I agree that it’s a penalty but the sin bin was not needed.

 

[OldPanther]

My only issue with the “try scoring situation” argument is that gagai was covered on the inside. The ball runner went to his outside man and if he had of passed inside to gagai, there’s no guarantee he scores.

I agree that it’s a penalty but the sin bin was not needed.

That makes sense. The issue for Jake is that it doesn't have to be a guaranteed try just a reasonable opportunity for one as far as the refs are concerned. Any infringement small or big here if it is worth a penalty is by the rules a professional foul. You can't have the penalty without the sin bin.

 

[franklin2323]

My only issue with the “try scoring situation” argument is that gagai was covered on the inside. The ball runner went to his outside man and if he had of passed inside to gagai, there’s no guarantee he scores.

I agree that it’s a penalty but the sin bin was not needed.

Exactly my thoughts on it. If Jake himself doesn't make the tackle then a couple of others likely do

 

[franklin2323]

That makes sense. The issue for Jake is that it doesn't have to be a guaranteed try just a reasonable opportunity for one as far as the refs are concerned. Any infringement small or big here if it is worth a penalty is by the rules a professional foul. You can't have the penalty without the sin bin.

You can though. Look at speeding you can speed and not always lose your licence. The bin is for the worst of those situations not an everytime thing

 

[OldPanther]

You can though. Look at speeding you can speed and not always lose your licence. The bin is for the worst of those situations not an everytime thing

Nope. There is no grey area with a professional foul you either do it or you don't. There has never in the history of the sport been grey area around professional fouls other than whether an infringement is or isn't a try scoring opportunity:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_foul

"The professional foul in rugby league embodies a similar concept to other sports, a deliberate breach of the rules in order to prevent a scoring opportunity. The penalty for this offence is 10 minutes in the sin bin.

The majority of professional fouls are either holding down the tackled player after a break has been made in order to allow his teammates to reform in defence, interfering in the play when making little or no attempt to return to an onside position, or tackling or impeding the progress of a player not in possession when a try may possibly be scored. The latter situation may result in a penalty try."

 

[mxlegend99]

The problem with professional foul sin bins for a try scoring situation... is tries can literally be scored in any play.

Why aren't escort penalties a professional foul? Why aren't intentional penalties in the red zone a professional foul? Refs randomly decide ok now's time to bin for too many penalties... most which were borderline if they warranted it anyway. Often blatant wrong strips etc. Count against a team being binned. Why do kick chasers get taken out in every game and they only penalise it sometimes and even rarer sin bin them?

There's no consistency in this. Gagai barely has contact made on him. Jake is binned. Parker chases a kick through is smashed high off the ball and theres no call at all.

The reason theres doubt about Jake committing a professional foul is similar and worse goes unpunished every week. The same teams tend to benefit from both receiving those calls against them and not copping them when they do it. Likewise other teams are consistently on the wrong end of these calls.

Souths got away with a hell of a lot of bullshit last night. Got some of the softest joke penalties you could dream of. If that was Panthers Jake isnt binned. DCE is not penalised or on report for a crusher.

Be really nice if every teamplayed under the same rules... or at the very least if both teams in a match did. But Souths clearly had the benefit of the calls.

They finished the season having received 40 more penalties than they conceded despite having some of the grubbiest players in the game give away the most blatant penalties you'll see.

 

[Crashtest]

Nope. There is no grey area with a professional foul you either do it or you don't. There has never in the history of the sport been grey area around professional fouls other than whether an infringement is or isn't a try scoring opportunity:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_foul

"The professional foul in rugby league embodies a similar concept to other sports, a deliberate breach of the rules in order to prevent a scoring opportunity. The penalty for this offence is 10 minutes in the sin bin.

The majority of professional fouls are either holding down the tackled player after a break has been made in order to allow his teammates to reform in defence, interfering in the play when making little or no attempt to return to an onside position, or tackling or impeding the progress of a player not in possession when a try may possibly be scored. The latter situation may result in a penalty try."

Can we nominate you to be on the match review committee!

 

[OldPanther]

The problem with professional foul sin bins for a try scoring situation... is tries can literally be scored in any play.

Why aren't escort penalties a professional foul? Why aren't intentional penalties in the red zone a professional foul? Refs randomly decide ok now's time to bin for too many penalties... most which were borderline if they warranted it anyway. Often blatant wrong strips etc. Count against a team being binned. Why do kick chasers get taken out in every game and they only penalise it sometimes and even rarer sin bin them?

There's no consistency in this. Gagai barely has contact made on him. Jake is binned. Parker chases a kick through is smashed high off the ball and theres no call at all.

The reason theres doubt about Jake committing a professional foul is similar and worse goes unpunished every week. The same teams tend to benefit from both receiving those calls against them and not copping them when they do it. Likewise other teams are consistently on the wrong end of these calls.

Souths got away with a hell of a lot of bullshit last night. Got some of the softest joke penalties you could dream of. If that was Panthers Jake isnt binned. DCE is not penalised or on report for a crusher.

Be really nice if every teamplayed under the same rules... or at the very least if both teams in a match did. But Souths clearly had the benefit of the calls.

They finished the season having received 40 more penalties than they conceded despite having some of the grubbiest players in the game give away the most blatant penalties you'll see.

The inconsistencies mean calls that should have been weren't not that this call was bad. This is why black and white rules need to be in place. Makes life easier for the refs and fans know what to expect every game every week.

 

[OldPanther]

Can we nominate you to be on the match review committee!

I would love to. Players might not like me though because I'd use the rules and none of this "Well the player was facing east with a temperature of 20 degrees and the atmospheric pressure was particularly high so he's free to play/gets 50 weeks."

 

[steve carter]

Is this Forum for Game analysis or player movement ..... More interested in who is leaving us and who potentially is becoming a Panther .

 

[ACTPanthers]

Is this Forum for Game analysis or player movement ..... More interested in who is leaving us and who potentially is becoming a Panther .

It’s a discussion forum, where discussion takes place. It’s actually a really easy concept to understand...

 

[steve carter]

It’s a discussion forum, where discussion takes place. It’s actually a really easy concept to understand...

Sure I guess Discussion 2019 heading must be for player movement signing...understood

 

[Dave's mate]

Is this Forum for Game analysis or player movement ..... More interested in who is leaving us and who potentially is becoming a Panther .

Smile once in a while it won't kill ya

 

[Tronald Crump]

Hey Franklin is Walker a done deal or just a player the club is interested in?

 

[franklin2323]

Nope. There is no grey area with a professional foul you either do it or you don't. There has never in the history of the sport been grey area around professional fouls other than whether an infringement is or isn't a try scoring opportunity:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_foul

"The professional foul in rugby league embodies a similar concept to other sports, a deliberate breach of the rules in order to prevent a scoring opportunity. The penalty for this offence is 10 minutes in the sin bin.

The majority of professional fouls are either holding down the tackled player after a break has been made in order to allow his teammates to reform in defence, interfering in the play when making little or no attempt to return to an onside position, or tackling or impeding the progress of a player not in possession when a try may possibly be scored. The latter situation may result in a penalty try."

Prevent scoring opportunity is key there. If Jake doesn't touch him the ball still goes to the winger though cause of the 3 guys chasing the play on the inside. So not a scoring play

Duffy v us when we played Dragons that is perfect time when the rule should be used. Not on 40m line with several defenders chasing