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Gary Gutful

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Democracy at work . Pauline is making sure that we don't run out of gravity on her watch !

 

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Well yeah, Trump might be a dick, but he aint stupid. I'm sure he has a good reason reason to send us all into a recession.


 

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Well yeah, Trump might be a dick, but he aint stupid. I'm sure he has a good reason reason to send us all into a recession.


There's no zero-cost way to counter the rise of fascist China. Turning a blind eye to their foreign and domestic abuses because it makes us richer is more immoral than anything Trump has done.
 

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So a whistle-blower has dumped on Trump alleging that he threatened to withhold military aid to Ukraine unless they dug up / made up dirt on Hunter Biden. Then the gov withheld the unredacted transcript of the phone call to the Intelligence Committee. Or something like that.

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In the UK their High Court had held that Boris illegally suspended parliament for 5 weeks, so he's prolly f**ked too.
 

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In Oz we were not permitted to participate in the UN Climate Change thingy because they deemed that we do f**k all about it.

Sir David Attenborough things we're run by pricks, as does that angry girl from Norway.
 

Gary Gutful

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In Oz we were not permitted to participate in the UN Climate Change thingy because they deemed that we do f**k all about it.

Sir David Attenborough things we're run by pricks, as does that angry girl from Norway.
David should stick to what he understands. The angry girl needs to get some perspective.

I need to write a summary of the Climate Action proceedings for work today. Anyone want to assist?
 

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David should stick to what he understands. The angry girl needs to get some perspective.

I need to write a summary of the Climate Action proceedings for work today. Anyone want to assist?

Australians would just be happy with an actual Climate Policy, rather than a government that is purposely vague.
 

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Australians would love a climate policy if it meant they had to make zero personal sacrifices. Or for the wealthy, sacrifices they can afford, like electric cars.

Much like how the Catholic Church sold indulgences back in the day.
 

Gary Gutful

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Australians would love a climate policy if it meant they had to make zero personal sacrifices. Or for the wealthy, sacrifices they can afford, like electric cars.

Much like how the Catholic Church sold indulgences back in the day.
Most businesses want it. Especially if it creates certainty.

At some point the perpetual debate becomes more damaging than the policy itself. I think we are close reaching that point.
 

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Australians would love a climate policy if it meant they had to make zero personal sacrifices. Or for the wealthy, sacrifices they can afford, like electric cars.

Much like how the Catholic Church sold indulgences back in the day.

"Australians" don't think anything of the sort. You just made that up. Cheeky !

The truth is that opinions are diverse, depending on the many layers of socio-demographic factors.

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publi...tute-poll-australian-attitudes-climate-change

On a whole, merkins want meaningful action on climate change. They want their elected leader to have an honest chat about scientific consensus and how that impacts the city and regional communities, affordable power generation and the economy moving forward.

Once-upon-a-time there was a guy called Australian Chief Scientist. His job was to advise the elected politicians on shit like this. Oh look he still exists ...

https://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/about/the-chief-scientist/

Australia’s Chief Scientist provides high-level independent advice to the Prime Minister and other Ministers on matters relating to science, technology and innovation. They also hold the position of Executive Officer of the National Science and Technology Council to identify challenges and opportunities for Australia that can be addressed, in part, through science.

Well you'd think that he should give his opinion about stuff like all this speculation about C02, warming, sea levels and stuff. Yep he has. And does. But for some reason our Ex Advertising guy PM ScoMo and his mates are not listening.

In fact he was up to his eyeballs in advising on the National Energy Guarantee (NEG) which was deemed a victorious compromise between the climate factions.

https://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/2017/10/statement-australian-government-energy-announcement/

STATEMENT: Australian Government Energy Announcement
Chief Scientist Dr Alan Finkel has made a statement on the Australian Government’s energy announcement.

17 October, 2017

1) The electricity Review that I chaired proposed an orderly transition (Recommendation 3.2) to achieve the key outcomes of increasing security and reliability, affordability and lowering emissions. I am pleased that the Australian Government asked the Energy Security Board to provide advice on this matter. The Energy Security Board was one of the key recommendations from our Review. Consisting of the energy market regulators and an independent Chair and Deputy Chair, it is the country’s most authoritative voice in energy matters.

2) I know from consultations with the Energy Security Board in the later stages of the development of the new proposals that the process was thorough.

3) The orderly transition proposed in our Review consists of three parts.

  • First, an agreement by Commonwealth, State and Territory governments to an emissions reduction trajectory for the National Electricity Market.
  • Second, a credible mechanism to enable the regulators to ensure that new low emissions energy enters the market. We compared a number of mechanisms and concluded that, on balance, of those we analysed the Clean Energy Target mechanism was preferred. However, other mechanisms could be used by the regulators to achieve the same goal. The Government’s commitment to a retailer obligation for low emissions energy under the National Energy Guarantee appears to be a credible mechanism.
  • Third, a requirement that entry of new low emissions generation should occur in the context of a Generator Reliability Obligation for new generators (Recommendation 3.3). The Government’s National Energy Guarantee imposes an equivalent obligation on retailers to ensure the reliability of the electricity system is preserved as new low emissions generation enters.
4) Success of the proposed emissions and reliability guarantees in the National Energy Guarantee will depend on extensive consultation by the Energy Security Board with all market participants.

5) Given that the existing operation of the National Electricity Market is managed by the Council of Australian Governments (COAG) through the National Electricity Laws, it is appropriate that the integration of the entry of new low emissions generation into the market is managed through the same laws.

With the adoption of a process for an orderly transition, Australia will be able to strategically manage its electricity supply for maximum benefit.

Dr Alan Finkel

Australia’s Chief Scientist


But what would he know. <sigh>

http://theconversation.com/the-scie...t-creating-our-low-carbon-future-today-104774

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...rs-says-alan-finkel-look-at-emission-outcomes
 
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