Scomo saving me

[Quicksilver]

pfft
You be Moylan
I’d be Rudolph

You'd have more than a red nose.

Your whole head would be glowing.

Again, I kid.

 

[bad boy bubby]

I just think a lot of this is not in line with the Liberal's free market ideology and the role of government and government debt. So, I'm not sure how they reconcile it themselves. I don't have a complete and rampant free market ideology (though I do see a place for markets), so I'm trying to see if it fits for me on a pragmatic level.

See this part, this is why I asked if people were fine with it.
The Libs have basically turned to Socialism to keep the country going, albeit somewhat artificially. Maybe then on the whole it can be said that sometimes a more Left leaning side is good for the community and the country in all. Too much capitalism takes that little bit more life away, in this case, literally. In the end we are all in this together, sides do not come into it.
I'm respecting those who can see, even if it goes against their own ideologies, that this is the best thing going forward for us as a whole.
And others who are right leaning that do not like what they are doing but do not speak up against "their" party...... well I blecccch to you.
And others who are left leaning who will not admit that they have made a brave and gutsy decision, well bleeeccchhh to you as well.

 

[Eion]

Not my hopes. It's their own rhetoric. If they want to examine the limitations of their previously held beliefs and move forward in a mutually beneficial way then I welcome it. They do need to address it rather than ignore it though.

Actions speak louder than words don’t you think? Especially in politics.

Still waiting for the Yes or No by the way.

 

[The Masked Avenger]

I’ll go straight to the point BBB ( unlike other surf brands on here) and it’s a yes from me.

I also work in a medium sized manufacturing company that is doing its best to keep employees on the books ( not washing the owners car btw) and so far I’m very happy with the majority of the Governments actions. can always pick holes but it’s not like anyone has a playbook for this bum fight.

 

[bad boy bubby]

And to add on to my last post, I could quite imagine if Labour was in charge and had made this decision that the righties would be screaming from high heaven about the Socialist aspect.

 

[Quicksilver]

Actions speak louder than words don’t you think? Especially in politics.

Still waiting for the Yes or No by the way.

I tossed the coin, it said yes. You can have that as your answer and place as much weight on it as you like.

Do you think the advice from the economic advisors is Yes/No? Or do you think they try to give a breakdown as to the positive/negative effects of each potential policy? Do you think it's possible to have a policy that is 100% positive and a "yes"?

I don't have an economic model in my head which will ping out an answer. I'm not armed with a group of advisors/interest groups that can give me a quick run-down of the pros and cons to each group of society.

I'd much prefer to have a discussion about it and try to anticipate what might be some of the unexpected consequences before throwing my weight in behind one side or the other.

 

[taipan]

Opinions can differ even among experts. Each expert has their own little take on something based on their own experience and academic work. If someone has something productive to add I welcome it.

I love democracy.

Of course there are differing opinions ScoMo has admitted such,but the final decisions made were majority decisions, by medical and financial experts.

Anything Ms K has come up with, has hardly been constructive.

I also love democracy a democratic free enterprise one not one where Govt controls my life during normal times.

 

[Quicksilver]

Of course there are differing opinions ScoMo has admitted such,but the final decisions made were majority decisions, by medical and financial experts.
.

Much like Rudd's debt and deficit disaster.

 

[taipan]

Much like Rudd's debt and deficit disaster.

Yep,the difference being this shebang makes the GFC look like a Sunday school picnic.

And Kevin 07,didn't have to also look at the heath aspects of the country's citizens.Nor did he have a National Cabinets including state premiers involved.

Rugby league also continued whilst the GFC was on.
Think the govt would swap what is involved now ,with the 2008 issues.

 

[Quicksilver]

Yep,the difference being this shebang makes the GFC look like a Sunday school picnic.

And Kevin 07,didn't have to also look at the heath aspects of the country's citizens.Nor did he have a National Cabinets including state premiers involved.

Rugby league also continued whilst the GFC was on.
Think the govt would swap what is involved now ,with the 2008 issues.

But he still got us into a debt and deficit disaster, which according to the experts and advisers was fit for purpose at the time.

 

[Eion]

I tossed the coin, it said yes. You can have that as your answer and place as much weight on it as you like.

Do you think the advice from the economic advisors is Yes/No? Or do you think they try to give a breakdown as to the positive/negative effects of each potential policy? Do you think it's possible to have a policy that is 100% positive and a "yes"?

I don't have an economic model in my head which will ping out an answer. I'm not armed with a group of advisors/interest groups that can give me a quick run-down of the pros and cons to each group of society.

I'd much prefer to have a discussion about it and try to anticipate what might be some of the unexpected consequences before throwing my weight in behind one side or the other.

Tossed a coin. Ha. You were asked a simple question, you’re not a Batman villain.

 

[Quicksilver]

Tossed a coin. Ha. You were asked a simple question, you’re not a Batman villain.

It's not really a simple question though, is it?

 

[taipan]

But he still got us into a debt and deficit disaster, which according to the experts and advisers was fit for purpose at the time.

That he did, and the debts continued ,as they no doubt will now.
But he had it easy compared to the current crap.

The experts nor many of the populace were happy with the pinks batt's fiasco.Poorly handled and Garrett paid the price in the end.

 

[Quicksilver]

That he did, and the debts continued ,as they no doubt will now.
But he had it easy compared to the current crap.

The experts nor many of the populace were happy with the pinks batt's fiasco.Poorly handled and Garrett paid the price in the end.

Well, I look forward to us being dragged straight out of this mess without a single f**k up by government.

 

[Dragon Slayer]

The Government just hit a home run for preservation of the economy now and to accelerate quicker when things get back to normal.

It’s all about businesses not losing employees that they don’t want to lose and keeping that continuity which is especially important for businesses. It’s also about keeping businesses viable.

I can see how the socialists would see it as a bit of a win that it’s the same payment no matter what level of employee but that’s the only way they could’ve done it to keep things less complicated and have the plan executed ASAP.

Albo the dildo can go and fetch that ball now.

He’ll get used to doing it for a long time in opposition.

He hasn’t got a clue.

 

[Quicksilver]

See this part, this is why I asked if people were fine with it.
The Libs have basically turned to Socialism to keep the country going, albeit somewhat artificially. Maybe then on the whole it can be said that sometimes a more Left leaning side is good for the community and the country in all. Too much capitalism takes that little bit more life away, in this case, literally. In the end we are all in this together, sides do not come into it.
I'm respecting those who can see, even if it goes against their own ideologies, that this is the best thing going forward for us as a whole.
And others who are right leaning that do not like what they are doing but do not speak up against "their" party...... well I blecccch to you.
And others who are left leaning who will not admit that they have made a brave and gutsy decision, well bleeeccchhh to you as well.

It's a bit socialist, but the money is being handed to business to sort it out. Which I guess really is in-line with Liberal Party thinking. All in all, I guess they are probably more a pro-business party than a free market party. I want to keep my job. I want to life to return to normal after all this. I don't really mind business being given a bit of a hand through all this but I worry about it being exploited and not fulfilling the purpose as effectively as hoped.

 

[Thick Skinned Shark]

Of course there are differing opinions ScoMo has admitted such,but the final decisions made were majority decisions, by medical and financial experts.

Anything Ms K has come up with, has hardly been constructive.

I also love democracy a democratic free enterprise one not one where Govt controls my life during normal times.

You can forget things ever returning to normal! This exercise has proved that the world will act like the best of sheep and do whatever their Govt tells them to do! Soon the people will be begging for their vaccines -Not this little black sheep!

 

[Eion]

It's not really a simple question though, is it?

If it’s all too hard to turn your mind to the response, then I suggest it’s too hard to be critical.

 

[Quicksilver]

If it’s all too hard to turn your mind to the response, then I suggest it’s too hard to be critical.

You've probably got a couple of pages here of my response and concerns.

I just think it's prudent to get more information before jumping head first in to the creek.

 

[Eion]

You've probably got a couple of pages here of my response and concerns.

I just think it's prudent to get more information before jumping head first in to the creek.

How long do you need? Bearing in mind the economic, social and health catastrophe upon us.