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Poupou Escobar

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Mate, the same Joseph Manu who played for his national side New Zealand and scored a winning try against Australia and has starred in many major games at the pointy end of the season and even outshone LM at times?
Manu has rarely done anything special for NZ because they usually aren't competitive. But if someone's going to score the winning try it'll probably be an outside back.

And everyone outshines Mitchell at some time or another. He's an inconsistent superstar.
Or the same Shaun Lane that many keen judges keep touting is great a back rower due to his ability with the ball and that he offers more than your typical big backrower and that he is knocking on the door of SOO?

Sure each squad needs plodders but 1. neither of the two that you offered up come anywhere near plodder class and
2. plodder should never be the description of your half. Period.
Adam Reynolds and Chad Townsend are both premiership winning plodders. It's a team game.
So you just stick to admiring your pinup boy Luke Kelly and let the grownups talk about player recruitment and retention. Honestly, sometimes you just plain embarrass yourself.
Kelly was a career backup. That's less than a plodder. A plodder is a solid first grader who is nothing special. My point is that in a good team the plodder can look like a star. Every year a bunch of plodders plays Origin because there aren't enough stars to fill two teams.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Again shows how little you know mate and no it isn't just a number.

For most 7's practically and mentally the 7 jersey is significant to them and allots them the main playmaker duties. There are the exceptions though and Keary is one of them where he has assumed the head playmaking duties due to his superior abilities compared to a rookie 7 just gaining his feet in the NRL.

Also if the Roosters had signed a top notch 6 junior, they would have had no hesitation in moving Kerry to 7, because he plays like one anyway with the 6 on his back. He really is an out and out 7 that doesn't need the jersey number to dominate the playmaking duties. Even with Cronk there last year he was the dominating half because that is what he is.
Exactly, the jersey number doesn't matter. It's why players like Maloney, Keary and Lockyer won premierships at halfback while wearing 6. There's a good chance Brown will keep the 6 jersey after Moses is gone even as the dominant playmaker. No different to this weekend actually. It's only a number.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Or even a better example is our very own Moses. He used to play all his footy at 6, but when he came to Parra, what did BA say? "I see him more as a 7 then a 6" and moved him there pronto. Now he could have moved the more experienced Norman to 7 and kept Moses at 6 if he believed like you do that it is JUST a number, but he didn't. He wanted Moses to take on more responsibility and assume the main playmaking duties.

It maybe just a number to some, but to most players it is a different psychology.
He gave Moses 7 for the same reason he gave Foran the 7. Because Norman already had the 6 jersey.
 

hindy111

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Hasn't played much better with us than this year imo.


A club can't dictate to a player under contract that they leave and play for a certain club that may be interested. The player can pick and choose their new club, or even remain, but probably play in reserve grade. Obviously Blake and RCG chose Parra as the closest club to where they are living, and Parra agreed to have them. From what I've heard Penrith are paying a large chunk of RGCs salary, much less for Blake.

I heard from a guy high up and wont mention names while he was drunk direct.
RCG 150-200k for first 3yrs and it ends.
Blake half of last year and a bit this year and that's it.
 

hindy111

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Yes but that hardly makes them plodders Hindy and this is where the good judge can see the greater potential in them and pick them up at a decent price and bring them to full bloom.

So Pou calling them plodders is bullsh*t. They are both quality that need quality around them to do what they do best otherwise their talents are wasted and then they themselves would drop off a gear or two. Then plod lovers like Pou go hard and label them as plodders.

Plodders cant offload like these two can.
You nailed it Ram. Once again nailed it. Hehe
 

lucablight

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Pou, I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of “nobodies” and “plodder”. A lot of the players you’ve given this label to are quality first grade players.
 

Poupou Escobar

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Pou, I think you need to re-evaluate your definition of “nobodies” and “plodder”. A lot of the players you’ve given this label to are quality first grade players.
Sure, and all are capable of looking like nobodies when their team is getting belted.
 

Soto

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We have a solid history of giving merkins a second chance Corey. Pick us.

Yes please...what a great acquisition to our squad he would be...to win a comp u need to have quality and depth all over the park..he is a gun
 

TheRam

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He gave Moses 7 for the same reason he gave Foran the 7. Because Norman already had the 6 jersey.

No he gave them the 7 because he wanted them to take the lead and be the dominate play maker. Like I said it is a psychological thing for most play makers. Why would he give the 7 to Foran who at that stage of his career only exclusively had played at six next to a dominate 7 at Manly, when he could easily have given it to Norman who had played 6 and 7 throughout his career?

Because he wanted the players and all sundry to know who was the king playmaker. He wanted Foran to take the dominant lead. He didn't want Norman to over call his prize bull, which is what was happening when Norman and Moses played together later on. They both want to be the main playmaker. Norman didn't want to play second fiddle to the young Moses. But Moses wanted it to be his team after all he was the 7 and so the overcalling ensued.

The 7 means something to most 7 playmakers mate no matter what you think or say. It has always been the dominant playmakers jersey and it still is for most players, unless you have an exceptional 6 that can play like a 7 but prefers to play a little wider or in the Roosters case have a rookie 7.
 

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