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King Sonny Bill may return to the NRL... Which club should he join?

Where should Sonny Bill play?


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SBW's good at getting kids kicked out to get him a spot. Tohu Harris missed the 2013 RLWC thanks to SBW changing his mind and wanting in on the squad.

On this one I would not blame Sonny Bill per se. According to this article published this morning, Asu Kepaoa was already heading to the Wests Tigers in 2021 on a 2 year deal, and in fact the Tigers had asked the Roosters earlier in the season to release him to come this year which had been knocked back by the roosters. So Kepaoa was already going before anyone thought SBW might be available to sign for an NRL club.
 

Penrose Warrior

First Grade
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If the articles are true he would be getting between $100-$150k for a max of 2 months work.

That is the same as $600-$900k for a full 12 months. Then there is the 30% reduction for this year so that seems over market value to me.

OK, and if Sonny Bill had decided to join in February, would the Roosters have had $900k in the cap for him? In a $9.6m cap? Almost 10% of their cap sitting nice and free? I would doubt it.
 

Saxon

Bench
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Disgrace if he's allowed to go to the Roosters. But Uncle Nick usually gets what he wants...
 

Game_Breaker

Coach
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If the articles are true he would be getting between $100-$150k for a max of 2 months work.

That is the same as $600-$900k for a full 12 months. Then there is the 30% reduction for this year so that seems over market value to me.

Wolfpack got him on a $10M deal for 2 years
Putting aside their stupidity for signing him on that coin, that's his market value because that's what the market paid.
 

aqua_duck

Coach
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Wolfpack got him on a $10M deal for 2 years
Putting aside their stupidity for signing him on that coin, that's his market value because that's what the market paid.
So by your logic if someone buys a corolla in Mongolia for $100k for some asinine reason then every Corolla in Australia is worth a market value of $100k? There are a myriad of factors in play that you've ignored including the fact that his contract sits 100% outside the salary cap as a marquee player exemption and he's been paid that money more for marketing and promotion then anything else, you can't apply market value when the circumstances aren't the same and once he technically terminates his wolf pack deal as per NRL rules won't his market value have been readjuated?
 

Canard

Immortal
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Roosters already had an asterisk against there 2019 Premiership, so why not go for 2020*
 
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The asterisk is only in the minds of the defeated (understandable) and the haters. While it’s not engraved on the trophy I’m more than comfortable with the club’s achievement.:wave:
 

Dingo_dan

Juniors
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Reversing your decision is incorrect & explicitly not allowed in the rulebook.

Also- trainers making chargedowns.

Massive asterisk.

Didn't the Raiders trainer almost get involved in an almost exact situation in the second half?

Accidents happen.
 

Dingo_dan

Juniors
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Market value is bullshit.

A players worth is what he's offered. The nrl should have no say in that. How would you figure it out anyway? A players worth is different between clubs. Teenage Ponga value at the knights was way different to the Cowboys for example. Newcastle had years of the spoon, they had no class spine players and they needed a big signing to make them seem attractive. Cowboys had an establishes team fresh of a premiership, and established players in 1,6,7.

If a player wants to play for less let him. SBW aint no spring chicken, he'd already be reasonably set for life, one last premiership tilt would be worth a lot more to him, plus he probably has loyalty to Nick Politis and Robinson. Forcing him to play elsewhere because of an arbitrary 'market value' is BS
 

Cactus

Juniors
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NRL set to put $400,000-a-year price tag on SBW's Roosters deal
By Sam Phillips

July 25, 2020 — 12.01am

What do Sonny Bill Williams, Shaun Lane, Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad and Tautau Moga all have in common? The NRL believes they all have a market value of about $400,000.

The Herald can reveal the NRL’s salary cap auditor – Richard Gardham – is poised to make Williams’ market value about $400,000 per year. That puts the two-time NRL premiership winning dual international on about the same pay scale as promising Eels forward Lane - who is on $450,000 a year at Parramatta - and Nicoll-Klokstad, who earns about $350,000 a year in Canberra.

Trent Robinson confirmed that the Roosters are looking to sign Sonny Bill Williams for at least the remainder of the 2020 season to add value to the club.

The NRL requires players to be registered on contracts they deem to be considered proper market value. Given most players have more than one suitor when they are negotiating a new contract – and their value, therefore, works itself out – the issue League Central has faced with Williams does not arise often.

The NRL generally tries to compare players at similar points in their careers, who play in similar positions and have reached similar heights in the game to put a market value on them.

That’s hard to do when there are currently no other 34-year-old dual internationals who have reached the pinnacle in both rugby codes across a remarkable 17-year career.

Multiple sources have told the Herald the figure will likely settle around the $400,000 mark. Given the contract Williams is set to sign will be just four to five months long – the actual value deemed appropriate will be in the $150,000 range.

That happens to be almost exactly the amount of salary cap space the club has at its disposal, largely thanks to the departure of Cooper Cronk and Latrell Mitchell at the end of last season.

Fans of rival clubs have questioned how the Roosters’ premiership-winning roster could squeeze a player of Williams’ calibre inside their salary cap but ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys told the Herald there have been no such qualms by club powerbrokers.

‘‘None at all. The thing about the clubs at the moment is that we’re all united,’’ V’landys said. ‘‘We need to promote the game. And one thing Sonny Bill Williams does is promote the game.

‘‘The more you promote the game, the better your revenue is. When you’re all united and stick together, everyone benefits. Bringing a brand like Sonny Bill Williams into our game will attract substantially more attention, which improves your ratings, which improves your revenue.’’

The ARL Commission will almost certainly overrule a condition that does not allow NRL players to be registered to other leagues around the world, should Toronto Wolfpack owner David Argyle renege on his promise to release Williams with the intention of re-signing him for the 2021 season.

V’landys does not expect attaining permission for Williams to enter the country to be a significant hurdle, given Bulldogs forward Luke Thompson was allowed into Melbourne from the UK earlier this year.

‘‘I think it will be all clear. I don’t see any reason why it won’t be,’’ V’landys said. ‘‘Based on the information I have, I think it will be approved.’’

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...g-on-sbw-s-roosters-deal-20200724-p55f6i.html
 
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Let's face it, at his age, is SBW really going to come back to the NRL to play for a team in 2020 who is not a finals contender? He is probably not phyically equipped at 34 to be a starter and play big minutes like he could in 2013.
 

Quicksilver

Bench
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Market value is bullshit.

A players worth is what he's offered. The nrl should have no say in that. How would you figure it out anyway? A players worth is different between clubs. Teenage Ponga value at the knights was way different to the Cowboys for example. Newcastle had years of the spoon, they had no class spine players and they needed a big signing to make them seem attractive. Cowboys had an establishes team fresh of a premiership, and established players in 1,6,7.

If a player wants to play for less let him. SBW aint no spring chicken, he'd already be reasonably set for life, one last premiership tilt would be worth a lot more to him, plus he probably has loyalty to Nick Politis and Robinson. Forcing him to play elsewhere because of an arbitrary 'market value' is BS

Market valuations are undertaken on various assets all the time.

You can read up on the definition(s). Valuation case law deals with these issues in great detail.
 

Quicksilver

Bench
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NRL set to put $400,000-a-year price tag on SBW's Roosters deal
By Sam Phillips

July 25, 2020 — 12.01am

What do Sonny Bill Williams, Shaun Lane, Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad and Tautau Moga all have in common? The NRL believes they all have a market value of about $400,000.

The Herald can reveal the NRL’s salary cap auditor – Richard Gardham – is poised to make Williams’ market value about $400,000 per year. That puts the two-time NRL premiership winning dual international on about the same pay scale as promising Eels forward Lane - who is on $450,000 a year at Parramatta - and Nicoll-Klokstad, who earns about $350,000 a year in Canberra.

Trent Robinson confirmed that the Roosters are looking to sign Sonny Bill Williams for at least the remainder of the 2020 season to add value to the club.

The NRL requires players to be registered on contracts they deem to be considered proper market value. Given most players have more than one suitor when they are negotiating a new contract – and their value, therefore, works itself out – the issue League Central has faced with Williams does not arise often.

The NRL generally tries to compare players at similar points in their careers, who play in similar positions and have reached similar heights in the game to put a market value on them.

That’s hard to do when there are currently no other 34-year-old dual internationals who have reached the pinnacle in both rugby codes across a remarkable 17-year career.

Multiple sources have told the Herald the figure will likely settle around the $400,000 mark. Given the contract Williams is set to sign will be just four to five months long – the actual value deemed appropriate will be in the $150,000 range.

That happens to be almost exactly the amount of salary cap space the club has at its disposal, largely thanks to the departure of Cooper Cronk and Latrell Mitchell at the end of last season.

Fans of rival clubs have questioned how the Roosters’ premiership-winning roster could squeeze a player of Williams’ calibre inside their salary cap but ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys told the Herald there have been no such qualms by club powerbrokers.

‘‘None at all. The thing about the clubs at the moment is that we’re all united,’’ V’landys said. ‘‘We need to promote the game. And one thing Sonny Bill Williams does is promote the game.

‘‘The more you promote the game, the better your revenue is. When you’re all united and stick together, everyone benefits. Bringing a brand like Sonny Bill Williams into our game will attract substantially more attention, which improves your ratings, which improves your revenue.’’

The ARL Commission will almost certainly overrule a condition that does not allow NRL players to be registered to other leagues around the world, should Toronto Wolfpack owner David Argyle renege on his promise to release Williams with the intention of re-signing him for the 2021 season.

V’landys does not expect attaining permission for Williams to enter the country to be a significant hurdle, given Bulldogs forward Luke Thompson was allowed into Melbourne from the UK earlier this year.

‘‘I think it will be all clear. I don’t see any reason why it won’t be,’’ V’landys said. ‘‘Based on the information I have, I think it will be approved.’’

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...g-on-sbw-s-roosters-deal-20200724-p55f6i.html

That sounds like a convenient figure.
 

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