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2020 Rabbitohs Rumours, Signings and News

callmack1

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Melbourne Storm interested in unwanted South Sydney winger Alex Johnston: https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/m...n/news-story/78015c6cf6f3bd0f5836c96afdab4125

From The Weekend Australian,

Wallabies enraged by $3m offer for teenager Joseph Suaalii

Top Wallabies players are furious they have had to endure a “contract freeze” while a possible $3m mega deal has been tabled to teenage prodigy Joseph Suaalii.

While interim CEO Rob Clarke and coaching director Scott Johnson have repeatedly told those in the game there is a “contracting freeze”, that rule didn’t apply during RA’s negotiations with the young gun who plays for South Sydney.

When contacted by The Weekend Australian on Friday, Rugby Australia said the “freeze” would be formally relaxed and an email had already been sent to Super Rugby executives stating that player contracting could start up again. Player agents are yet to be informed the freeze will be lifted.

The Weekend Australian can reveal the offer to Suaalii – even if RA only matched South Sydney’s offer of $1.7m over three years – would make the 16-year-old one of the top 10 paid Wallabies.

If Suaalii was paid the full $1m a season, in a deal that would include third-party arrangements and cash from a fighting fund, the teen would sit behind only Wallabies captain Michael Hooper.

Hooper is the best-paid player in Australian rugby, earning $1.25m a season while Melbourne Storm winger Suliasi Vunivalu will cross codes next season on an $800,000 salary.

Tevita Kuridrani and Dane Haylett-Petty ($700,000) and John Eales medallist Marika Koroibete ($550,000) are the code’s other top earners.

A document reveals most other experienced Wallabies are earning from $500,000 to $600,000.

Wallabies candidates Jack Maddocks, Tom Banks and Tom Wright are understood to be on wages just below $400,000.

The move to sign Suaalii has affected many players who have been unsure about their future and aware of the reality the new broadcast deal may only be worth between $10-$20m a year.

The Weekend Australian has learnt Rugby Australia emailed Wallabies this week about Suaalii’s potential deal, disputing reports of a $3m offer.

Clarke has called it “fanciful” and moved to allay any concerns that a record contract was being thrown at the teenager.

It did little to temper the unrest within the playing group. One Wallaby, who did not want to be named, said the email didn’t do much to placate the players.

“Players are not happy but no one will speak up, now the email has left the group angry. Players are exhausted by RA’s games, they haven’t been upfront since COVID day one,” he told The Weekend Australian.

On Friday, however, Wallabies captain Hooper maintained Suaalii’s arrival could be “exciting” for the code.

“I’m not across the numbers or any of that but it is great that we’re in the conservation for someone who is clearly a real talent, just from the amount of buzz,” Hooper told The Daily Telegraph.

“It wouldn’t just be pulled out of thin air and where there’s smoke there’s fire and this kid seems to have a lot about him.

“It’s exciting for rugby to be in this conversation and it’s also exciting that hopefully as a business we’re able to start looking at the future and contracting and stuff like that.”

Clarke declined to comment on the players’ anger.

There’s concern about the plethora of backs on the Wallabies’ books, with the wage bill well over $3m on nine players. It is especially concerning considering the shortage of lineout specialists in Australian rugby ranks.

It is common knowledge within the Super Rugby scene that Test lock Izack Rodda, who quit the Reds, was keen to stay in Australia and, despite the Brumbies, Rebels and Force being willing to sign him, the Rugby Australia board refused to offer him a contract. The world-class second-rower is currently in France to play for Lyon on a year-long deal.

Rebels Matt Philip – another lock – is also set to depart to France at the end of this season.

One player agent was aghast at the money willing to be spent on a back when the Wallabies needed locks.

“Why are we spending money on a back when we need to win this year’s Bledisloe?” the agent said. “Our biggest issue is locks; why didn’t we spend a million on Will Skelton?

“This is where the players have issues. All the players are saying we need locks and 10s – why aren’t we getting back Skelton?”

Skelton, 28, has spent the past three seasons with English club Saracens.

The Weekend Australian can also reveal Rugby Australia could have been saved some financial pain had the hierarchy signed the teen superstar four years ago when they had the chance.

In 2018 Rugby Australia officials were in conversation with Suaalii’s family. At the same time, the Melbourne Storm were also courting him and he attended a pre-grand final game of indoor cricket with the team.

While contemplating his immediate future a representative of Suaalii proposed that the teen would likely sign with Rugby Australia on a three-year “development deal”. That deal would have seen him paid a base wage from the age of 15 to 17 years of $100,000 per year and gifted the code a chance to indoctrinate him further into the game, given he was still playing rugby league with South Sydney at the time.

This was more money than what had been offered in rugby league at the time, but far from the monster offer now on the table. RA chose not to put that offer forward. It now appears that decision will cost them heavily.

If Suaalii makes the switch to the Wallabies, he will be in direct competition with the next generation of superstars of the game, including the likes of Maddocks, Banks and Wright. Maddocks and Wright both remain off-contract beyond this season. RA had initiated a contract-freeze during the COVID-19 shutdown.

“It appears the freeze applied to all players apart from Suaalii,” said an agent. “Another point of contention for players who have sat patiently and respectfully for the good of the game and their fellow players.”

With the game’s finances in dire straits, no broadcast deal and uncertainty around the code honouring or renewing their contracts beyond 2020, more Wallabies are considering walking from the code, including young gun Jordan Petaia who is being pursued by at least two NRL clubs.

As one rugby official said, some players are “pissed off” at RA’’s move to sign “the kid” when the code was suffering financially.

“Rugby Australia have champagne taste and beer money,” the official said. “We have a top-heavy roster, we pay too much for top talent and then we bitch and moan that the junior talent isn’t there because we have not invested in growing the talent.”

The same rugby official observed that Clarke and Johnson had “repeatedly told” the game there “there is a contracting freeze and you can’t contract anyone”.

“So every single team has been sitting on their hands, not being able to sign players.”
 

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Under the NRL laws, a player can't debut in first grade until they are 18? So, the earliest Suaalii can make his debut will be very late next season or most likely start of season 2022 ?
 

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Under the NRL laws, a player can't debut in first grade until they are 18? So, the earliest Suaalii can make his debut will be very late next season or most likely start of season 2022 ?
Reports are that we are set to sign Suali. Poor kid.. crazy expectations
 

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Reports are that we are set to sign Suali. Poor kid.. crazy expectations

I think the expectations will be far lower in league, especially if he doesn't debut until 2022. Rugby were going to throw him in this season ! That's insane asking that from a 17 old who's only played against school boys.

Interestingly, from the highly rated Austrlain Rugby schoolboys team the NRL has signed the 2 stand outs, Suaali and Koula (Manly )
 

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Rabbitohs win $2m tug-of-war over teen gun with Joseph Suaalii set to backflip on Rugby offer: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...p/news-story/ba79cd46021d2dea62866f21f531917f

Fantastic news that he's backflipped again!! I don't want to get too wrapped up in the hype as we don't want to pressure the kid but if his career turns out the way many are expecting (and I know that's a big if), then this could be huge for our future. Awesome stuff!!

‘He’s had some stuff-ups’ - Buzz points out holes in NRL’s plan to use Gus as Mr-Fix-It: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...y/news-story/0e74c0252122e35f24cb09bbc6b7ae47

Legendary League tough guy Mark Geyer calls for urgent NRL change: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/hia-in...rs-storm/185e34d9-cbfa-4b1f-9f2f-9a3b12a67cfc

Paul Gallen sees brutal injury toll shaping 2020 Premiership race: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-g...miership/1415c8b2-e97d-4da1-b0a6-09071ab088a6

I still can't believe AJ is being let go.
Rumours that Souths have backflipped on that decision and now want him to stay!
 

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Rabbitohs win $2m tug-of-war over teen gun with Joseph Suaalii set to backflip on Rugby offer: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...p/news-story/ba79cd46021d2dea62866f21f531917f

Fantastic news that he's backflipped again!! I don't want to get too wrapped up in the hype as we don't want to pressure the kid but if his career turns out the way many are expecting (and I know that's a big if), then this could be huge for our future. Awesome stuff!!

‘He’s had some stuff-ups’ - Buzz points out holes in NRL’s plan to use Gus as Mr-Fix-It: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...y/news-story/0e74c0252122e35f24cb09bbc6b7ae47

Legendary League tough guy Mark Geyer calls for urgent NRL change: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/hia-in...rs-storm/185e34d9-cbfa-4b1f-9f2f-9a3b12a67cfc

Paul Gallen sees brutal injury toll shaping 2020 Premiership race: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-g...miership/1415c8b2-e97d-4da1-b0a6-09071ab088a6


Rumours that Souths have backflipped on that decision and now want him to stay!
I hope souths get him to stay. Apparently Melbourne are keen on AJ, maybe a swap for JAC could be on the cards but tbh I dont see him going there. He wants to be a fullback, and he will be behind Papenhyzen if he goes down there. He's behind latrell if he stays here... hope he stays
 

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V'landys open to clearing pathways for Suaalii, Gus: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/07/27...ing-age-rule-as-souths-fight-to-keep-suaalii/

Inside the Bunnies Hail Mary that could see NRL rules rewritten just for Suaalii: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...s/news-story/08f43efe84893e1bd5c3db8e758263f3

‘Might have a blow-up’ - The ‘dangerous’ game NRL is playing if they green light Suaalii request: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...y/news-story/a3ead6f846c5fcbbd081fdf13811aec7

This is incredibly exciting if it happens!! Apparently we want him to debut Round 1 next year! Wow!!

‘Outrageously stupid’ - Buzz reveals first V’landys ‘blue’ in 20 years over Gould gig: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...l/news-story/0b440749cf5003fb286a98914f2730e1
 

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Rabbitohs win $2m tug-of-war over teen gun with Joseph Suaalii set to backflip on Rugby offer: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...p/news-story/ba79cd46021d2dea62866f21f531917f

Fantastic news that he's backflipped again!! I don't want to get too wrapped up in the hype as we don't want to pressure the kid but if his career turns out the way many are expecting (and I know that's a big if), then this could be huge for our future. Awesome stuff!!

‘He’s had some stuff-ups’ - Buzz points out holes in NRL’s plan to use Gus as Mr-Fix-It: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...y/news-story/0e74c0252122e35f24cb09bbc6b7ae47

Legendary League tough guy Mark Geyer calls for urgent NRL change: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/hia-in...rs-storm/185e34d9-cbfa-4b1f-9f2f-9a3b12a67cfc

Paul Gallen sees brutal injury toll shaping 2020 Premiership race: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-g...miership/1415c8b2-e97d-4da1-b0a6-09071ab088a6


Rumours that Souths have backflipped on that decision and now want him to stay!
No doubt about it, when Rusty decides to get something done, it gets done
 

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Under the NRL laws, a player can't debut in first grade until they are 18? So, the earliest Suaalii can make his debut will be very late next season or most likely start of season 2022 ?
V'Landys is gonna force the commission to change the rules.
He's gonna tell the Greek Godfather to agree with it or no SBW
Love it, a doer not a gunna
 

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NRL may split with controversial Bunker as radical new technology could rule forward passes: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...s/news-story/3d7a3aec52c7b043a800fca83fb43b82

Phil Gould eyes development role with NRL, reveals private meetings with Peter V'landys: https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/phil-g...ment-job/43165d71-86ab-4352-895c-85b4eafc8ddb

Rabbitohs ripped for ‘really nasty’ approach to chasing Suaalii: https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/...s/news-story/e2dddb1b35b3c1d27e19b10a93345f3a

Phil Gould’s warning to NRL over Joseph Suaalii precedent that could ‘come back to bite us’: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...s/news-story/8866b853c2582d7558a6763cad57f2d4

From Sporting News,

Opinions divided over potential NRL exemption for Rabbitohs teenager

The potential exemption for South Sydney Rabbitohs teenager Joseph Suaalii to play NRL at the age of 17 is dividing opinion between players who have been there and done that.

Suaalii has been in the headlines recently as a tug-of-war between rugby league and rugby union for his signature heats up.

Reports surfaced last week that the Kings College star was set to switch to union after being offered $3 million from Rugby Australia - a figure that was later denied.

Suaalii now looks set to remain in the 13-man code, with ARLC boss Peter V'landys considering allowing the fullback to play before his 18th birthday.

The rule was changed years ago by the NRL which prevented players under the age of 18 to play first grade, but a potential exemption could open up a can of worms moving forward.

Cronulla Sharks captain Wade Graham debuted at the age of 17 before the rule was changed, and on Tuesday expressed concern over the potential exemption due to the physical wear and tear of NRL.

“I debuted as a 17-year-old and it was a dream come true for me,” he said.

“The adage back then was ‘if you’re good enough, you’re old enough. I understand why the rules came in to protect the younger players with the wear and tear. The majority of kids that age are probably not physically mature enough yet.

"There’s always an exception to the rule, though: you look at guys like Israel Folau and Greg Inglis coming through as teenagers and dominating. It’s hard to deny someone if they’re physically ready.

"It was probably too early for me. My body wasn’t quite ready for it and I had shoulder surgery the next season because of the damage the game brought about on my body. I spent the next 12 months in the gym trying to build myself up to be strong enough to handle the week-in, week-out grind of the NRL.

"It’s not one game here or there; it’s the continuous grind. Maybe one game here or there isn’t such a bad thing but once it gets to six, seven, eight games, coaches and support staff need to step in and manage it."

Graham has gone on to play 231 NRL games, as well as six State of Origin appearances and eight Tests for Australia.

His concerns are well-founded, and he is in a perfect position to speak about the issue given he debuted at a young age and paid a price early in his career.

Another current player that debuted as a teenager is Penrith Panthers halfback Nathan Cleary, who stepped up to first grade at 18.

The 22-year old believes in the 'if you're good enough, you're old enough' and as opposed to Graham's belief of physical wear and tear, believes the hardesy part for young players is the pressure off the field.

“It’s a bit of a tough one. I’m of the impression that if you’re good enough, you’re old enough," he said.

"I don’t think it’s the footy that is the real worry, it’s more the off-field stuff. That’s the biggest lesson I have learnt…it’s the increased scrutiny from the media which is the hard part. It’s about getting a good support base around him – but I went through those tough moments of scrutiny that comes with it.

“With the kind of wraps he’s got it’s a bit different – I actually watched his highlights yesterday and he looks like a really good player. It’s more the mental side of things and getting a good support base around that.

“Every article I saw on social media was about him, so I thought I may as well give him a look. I watched him and wow, he is a special talent.

"I’m pretty interested to see how he goes."

Suaalii is expected to sign a contract with South Sydney this weekend when he turns 17, and reports indicate it will be a four-year deal.
 

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NRL in ‘urgent talks’ after QLD shuts borders AGAIN, but V’landys declares ‘nothing changes’: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...s/news-story/569e7a90218f9c75fb00fb7b75f189f1

Not good but hopefully V'Landys is right!!

The $8m sticking point in blockbuster cross-code clash as NRL calls in super coaches: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...o/news-story/ee7666ece95829debf5b1bea7ff9efd9

South Sydney sell the farm to sign Suaalii — but is it worth their soul?: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/so...t-is-it-worth-their-soul-20200728-p55ga6.html
 
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