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Any of the younger players who might be in CC or Flegg or perhaps you think we don’t have any such players?Who are they blocking?
My post is about principal rather than individual names.
Any of the younger players who might be in CC or Flegg or perhaps you think we don’t have any such players?Who are they blocking?
I think Williame and Fuimaono have shown some promise?Possm
Send me the highlights of these guys playing in the big red v
Ffs there aren’t any and never will be
You like others have often asked why don’t our juniors get a crack at NRL well the reason is the likes of Williame & Fuimaono.
Unfortunately we have had so many Williame & Fuimaono signings that I have long gone past any expectations for them or the likes there of.I think Williame and Fuimaono have shown some promise?
They've been inconsistent for sure but I'd like to see a little more before I put the red line through them.
Our side has that many holes in it it will take at least 2 years to sort it out and that can only happen if we sign a reputable and well respected coach who can attract players.
It is long proven at this time that we can only attract "so called top end" players by paying "overs" and even then their contribution has been less than favourable as far as results are concerned.
I am amazed that the likes of Williame & Fuimaono still figure in peoples team lists as we move forward. Neither were "marquis" signings or signings that w had to compete with other clubs to secure them.
Williame & Fuimaono are exactly the types of signings that have geniused the progress of our youth and should therefore be dispensed with.
If people are honest they provide nothing that would suggest they are the difference between top 8 or top 4 or essential to wing the comp.
What is it that that type of player brings to the 1st grade team that a promising junior does not?
They're chaff at best and even playing them in CC means that we block the path of decent young talent that needs key game time to get them ready for 1st grade. By securing a decent coach we should be ab;e to formulate a proper pathway that ensures that our club is capable of fielding 18, 19 or 20 year old's to blood them as is the case with the best clubs in the comp where there is a plethoras of young guys making their way and are not held back due to reliance on or preference for journeymen.
Any of the younger players who might be in CC or Flegg or perhaps you think we don’t have any such players?
My post is about principal rather than individual names.
Ok so you're outraged and want people promoted to first grade, without naming anyone or saying what it will fix?Any of the younger players who might be in CC or Flegg or perhaps you think we don’t have any such players?
My post is about principal rather than individual names.
My position has been made extremely clear over many years.Ok so you're outraged and want people promoted to first grade, without naming anyone or saying what it will fix?
You obviously didn’t read my post very carefully.I'm not making the claims so I don't need to name anybody.
So just on principle, without actually being able to name players who are ready to fill those positions, you don't want to recruit players in those positions?
Remember Kurt Mann!My position has been made extremely clear over many years.
The signing of journeymen plodders with little to no form line geniuss the progression of youthful players within our system.
While ever the likes of these plodders keep getting selected we remain in the dark as to how good our junior stocks actually are.
Whether that be a Herbert or a Garrick or a Sailor or a Sele or a Host or a Leilua or a Lomax or a Saab or a Blacker etc etc etc all of them and others have had less than a fair go in respect of making it at NRL level.
The likes of a Latimore or a Lafai or a Norman or a Pereira or a Williame or a Fuimaono will never win you a comp and their repeated selections over long periods will only blind you to what potential lies within the ranks of the club.
Whilst Williame has been injured and doesn’t fit the exact criteria I am positive that if not for injury would have been picked religiously as was Lafai before him.
So I have outlined the issue and provided a solution so not sure how you are missing that.
Other clubs have 18, 19, 20 year olds playing regularly and we do not do that is the simple truth of the matter.
People might say Lomax is proof to the opposite of what I am saying but even his route was torturous and poorly handled as he should have been there long before now.
You obviously didn’t read my post very carefully.
I am very happy to recruit quality players capable of playing NRL and making the difference.
I am not happy to recruit pluggers and planks who offer next to SFA and all the while blocking the progress of juniors who came through our system or were purchased in from other clubs.
I am all ears to hear the on field benefits that all the planks we have had purchased bought to the team and the enjoyment of the fan base.
Host a keeper for me with a new coach.I read it fine thankyou.
So you are happy to block their progress by buying better players? They're still blocking players who have come through our system. Alternatively, you are happy to give them free entry into first grade without any challenge?
Tyrell has played 10 games for us - with limited minutes off the bench for most of them. Hardly an opportunity to provide a "highlights package" in the red V.
Williame has played 4 - again no opportunity to provide highlights. Additionally, not really enough to be considered "blocking".
Additionally, nothing is preventing Mary from selecting the youngsters in the team if they are better. It's not the players that are blocking their advancement, it's Mary. Even if we did promote the juniors, we still need players competing in the lower grade.
Alternatively, for comparison and as an example, show me the "highlights package" for Host in first grade? He's had 47 games in first grade. Is he being blocked? I think he's had plenty of chances to put a stamp on a position and yet you keep calling for his inclusion.
I don't think you've thought this through.
Host a keeper for me with a new coach.
CC
All I can say is that it is very apparent that you have given this list a great deal of thought. I have no real problems with it as it does solve some of our problems and so, with new coaching and recruitment staff, we may be able to compete in 2021 and be ready to make a grand final in 2022.Not a fan of letting anyone go if it's going to mess up our salary cap.
Re-Sign (of those off contract this year):
de Belin (for purposes of this exercise he gets off his legal proceedings end of this month)
Host
Sailor
Ellis
Brittain
Target from outside the club:
Alex Johnston
Christian Welch
Squad based on all of this:
COACH: Shane Flanagan (JDB getting off in this exercise so why can't Flanno)
The following would be my starting 13, Round 1 2021:
1. Dufty*
2. Johnston
3. Z Lomax
4. Feagai (Centre Feagai)
5. Ravalawa*
6. Sailor
7. Clune
8. de Belin
9. Hunt*
10. Vaughan*
11. T Sims*
12. Welch
13. McInnes
Spots 14-21... make your bench spots up out of the following with the rest leading the way in reggies:
14. Kerr
15. Host*
16. Lawrie*
17. Ford
18. Fuimaono*
19. Blacker
20. Ellis*
21. Brittain*
Extended squad:
22. Sullivan
23. Ramsey
24. Williame*
25. Feagai (Winger Feagai)
Deadwood Category:
26. Norman*
27. Merrin*
28. K Sims*
29. Saab*
30. Pereira*
Top of the Development Squad:
- Schiller
- H Lomax
* = ON NOTICE (feel free to add if I've missed someone or subtract if I'm being too harsh)
Basically:
1. Install a new coach + recruitment/retention/pathways manager.
2. Re-sign those needed (and worthy).
3. Focus on the astute signings from outside the club (Johnston & Welch).
3. The above squad, while still plenty of players on massive overs, could easily play under the cap in 2021 (given that we are owed plenty seeing Frizell, Graham and Lafai have already moved on not to mention Aitken also to come off the books in this scenario). Any extra money left over dangle as a carrot for upgrades to anyone deserving (McInnes for example).
4. Deadwood category are in NSW Cup or Illawarra League. These players are not to go anywhere if we have to pay anything for the pleasure (especially Saab).
5. Makes things interesting in 2021 and also for 2022 - plenty of cap space available if we can eventually force the release of some of the deadwood, and those on notice will have to perform if they want to continue playing here or be attractive to other clubs.
... but again, we will only be able to pull this off with a decent coach / man manager in charge.
He might be - and as I've said before, I don't think you can say any of the players are absolute duds until we get a better coach. As I said to OT, it's not the players blocking pathways, it's Mary. If one of the juniors is a standout, he should be chosen. However it seems stupid to just select them because they are juniors of the club. You need to get the best players on the field - whether they're from our pathways or from the outside, and we're never going to do that until we get a new coach.
Exactly.I suspect the improvement in the younger players will show how bad Mcblocker really was but also for me why shouldn't Young and the development coaches be also under the microscope ? They have been part of this as well. Favorite story from a player dropped last year and after requesting specific feedback to where he needed to improve was told by Mcimposter "train harder " The fact that he couldn't get much better from Young & Hornby shows something. This same player is getting great advice from Flanagan & the other assistant.Only trouble is the same game plans & patterns the head coach is insistent on.
I'd say the experiment of having Millward work outside the coaching staff and reporting directly to the CEO has failed. So I would like to see the recruitment/retention/pathways/list management all be split up and be handled by separate people who report directly to the head coach. Millward also needs to go.Yes you are right - it's not just about Mary (although the buck does stop with him). There has to be some blame attributed to the assistant coaches over the years as well. If what you say is correct, then that does explain a lot - especially the game plan comment. Some small variations in attack, but the game plan is essentially the same.
I read it fine thankyou.
So you are happy to block their progress by buying better players? They're still blocking players who have come through our system. Alternatively, you are happy to give them free entry into first grade without any challenge?
Tyrell has played 10 games for us - with limited minutes off the bench for most of them. Hardly an opportunity to provide a "highlights package" in the red V.
Williame has played 4 - again no opportunity to provide highlights. Additionally, not really enough to be considered "blocking".
Additionally, nothing is preventing Mary from selecting the youngsters in the team if they are better. It's not the players that are blocking their advancement, it's Mary. Even if we did promote the juniors, we still need players competing in the lower grade.
Alternatively, for comparison and as an example, show me the "highlights package" for Host in first grade? He's had 47 games in first grade. Is he being blocked? I think he's had plenty of chances to put a stamp on a position and yet you keep calling for his inclusion.
I don't think you've thought this through.