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WepnutV

Juniors
Messages
285
It is a personal choice whether to take recreational drugs.

It is a personal choice to smoke cigarettes or drink excessive amounts of alcohol.

Brent Naden is an NRL player and therefore held to higher accountability than others in society many of whom are not the subject of random drug testing.

Sadly the use of prohibited drugs is very prevalent in our society and I personally don’t see how Brent Naden being caught using cocaine will encourage others to use the drug.

It is sad that drugs are prohibited at all.. Ever made a mistake or done something you regretted or would change if you could go back in time and change it? Yes its a choice , but theres a life long story behind that choice and many reasons on why you may make that choice. he is only human... A lot of kids pick up drinking and smoking so young that its to young to hold them responsible for there actions at that time and most of them if not all become life long addicts, even after decades of being sober. some of the reasons people use recreational drugs is because it helps them to deal with stuff like, PDSD, depression, evry form of abuse, loneliness, mental illness, anxiety, panic attacks, brain injuries, anger,` confidence, socialising , motivation, creativity ,injuries or just a way to escape, de stress relax , sexual stimulation maybe aswell as hundreds of other reasons.. i think alot of people just need to be taught or shown how to use drugs and alcohol more responsibly as there is a difference between drug use and drug abuse.
 

Jane Murray

Bench
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2,837
A leading doctor has revealed the potential frightening ramifications of Brent Naden’s positive grand final drug test.

A leading Sydney doctor has revealed Penrith star Brent Naden risked cardiac arrest and possible death when he allegedly played in the NRL grand final with cocaine in his system.

The revelation came as it was revealed Naden may not miss an NRL match for his drug indiscretion because any suspension would be backdated to October 25, the night Sports Integrity Australia tested him after Penrith’s loss to Melbourne.

The NRL Integrity Unit is also investigating how Naden broke rugby league’s strict biosecurity bubble to procure the drug.

Given the sensitivity around the issue, and Naden’s well-publicised issues, officials, doctors and players were reluctant to talk on the record.

But a highly credentialed doctor wanted the ramifications of Naden’s alleged decision to play with cocaine in his system made public to deter others from repeating his behaviour.

“Cocaine is a high-powered stimulant which can increase performance but also put you to a level which can cause cardiac arrest and death,” the Sydney-based doctor said.

“Playing a game with it in your system is a highly dangerous thing to do.

Brent Naden tackles Josh Addo-Carr during the 2020 NRL grand final. Picture: Cameron Spencer/Getty

“It could have led to cardiac arrest, which causes an abnormal rhythm and can cause the heart to stop.

“Which is why it’s banned from WADA, because it’s performance enhancing to a degree but also dangerous.

“The advantage is that it really excites you – it’s like an adrenaline kick. It actually makes you perform better but there is a risk of overexcitement.

“On the one hand it is a stimulant that can make you perform better but it carries a risk of pushing you too hard and causing serious cardiac problems, as in collapsing.

“It could lead to an abnormal rhythm, arrhythmia, which can lead to cardiac issues.

“But he’s not the first one to do it. Go and talk to (former AFL star) Ben Cousins. He did it for years and was then best on ground.”

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Brent Naden entered a rehab facility after the grand final. Picture: Grant Trouville/NRL Photos


Naden, 24, has been provisionally suspended under the NRL’s Anti-Doping policy and is facing a two-year ban.

However, any suspension could be reduced to as little as one to three months if he can prove the drug was for recreational use and not to enhance performance.

Under the NRL’s anti-doping policy, the suspension date for any player found guilty of drug use begins from the day of the alleged breach, which for Naden was when his A-sample was taken on October 25.

A three-month ban would free Naden to return to Panthers training on January 25 and prepare to be selected in pre-season trial matches.

However, Naden is facing a secondary hurdle.

The NRL is investigating the Penrith centre for any possible breach of its COVID-19 bubble to obtain the cocaine.

He could face a fine and/or additional suspension.

Naden told Penrith management his emotional breakdown, which led to time in a rehab facility, was a result of the isolation caused by the NRL’s bubble restrictions and racial abuse he received from fans during a game on the Central Coast in September.

The fact he sought professional help will help his chances to receive a reduced ban.

The NRL will now await Naden’s B sample. If positive, he will face the NRL’s Anti Doping Tribunal, probably early next year.

The NRL integrity unit will then reach a decision on any alleged biosecurity breach by Naden.

Naden played 32 minutes of the grand final against the Storm after coming off the bench. In his seven runs he made 67m.

A senior NRL club official said Naden’s decision to take drugs a day before a grand final was “staggering” and “bizarre”.

“I cannot believe, in this day and age, that this could happen on the eve of a grand final,” he said.

“I’ve never seen anything like it before and hope we don’t see it ever again.”
 

ACTPanthers

Bench
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4,706
Completely off the topic of footy...

My missus and I lost our baby this week which has hit me really hard. She was 6 months along and I had just seen her on an ultrasound. To say I'm in a bad head space at the moment is an understatement.

Anyway, the reason I post about this is, I find writing my feelings in an artistic way really helped, and I wanted to share a poem I wrote in the early hours of the morning the night she passed.

I'm not a poetic person by any means (I like writing my fiction more) so please don't judge my capability, I just really felt the urge to write down my thoughts and this is how they came out.

I'm sharing with you guys because, as sad as it sounds on an internet forum, most of you I class as friends.

In short, hug your kids, and cherish every moment you spend with them.


Although we never met you, or got to kiss your cheeks,

Your presence was undeniable for those swift and precious weeks,

You were a gift my darling girl, one that was not expected,

And I dreamed of what you’d become, a picture of perfection,

You could have been a dancer, or a writer with a dream,

You could have been an actor, great in every scene,

Whatever you were meant to be, I know that I’d be proud,

The proudest dad you’d ever see, I’d never let you down,

But it wasn’t meant to be my sweet, you weren’t ready for this world,

And it kills me to say goodbye before I met my baby girl,

But you’re free to fly now angel, so spread those wings and soar,

Mummy and daddy both love you, and will forever more.
 

Pomoz

Bench
Messages
2,863
Completely off the topic of footy...

My missus and I lost our baby this week which has hit me really hard. She was 6 months along and I had just seen her on an ultrasound. To say I'm in a bad head space at the moment is an understatement.

Anyway, the reason I post about this is, I find writing my feelings in an artistic way really helped, and I wanted to share a poem I wrote in the early hours of the morning the night she passed.

I'm not a poetic person by any means (I like writing my fiction more) so please don't judge my capability, I just really felt the urge to write down my thoughts and this is how they came out.

I'm sharing with you guys because, as sad as it sounds on an internet forum, most of you I class as friends.

In short, hug your kids, and cherish every moment you spend with them.


Although we never met you, or got to kiss your cheeks,

Your presence was undeniable for those swift and precious weeks,

You were a gift my darling girl, one that was not expected,

And I dreamed of what you’d become, a picture of perfection,

You could have been a dancer, or a writer with a dream,

You could have been an actor, great in every scene,

Whatever you were meant to be, I know that I’d be proud,

The proudest dad you’d ever see, I’d never let you down,

But it wasn’t meant to be my sweet, you weren’t ready for this world,

And it kills me to say goodbye before I met my baby girl,

But you’re free to fly now angel, so spread those wings and soar,

Mummy and daddy both love you, and will forever more.
ACT I am so sorry for your loss. Condolences to you and your wife during this difficult time. The poem, is really quite beautiful and moving.
 

Jane Murray

Bench
Messages
2,837
Completely off the topic of footy...

My missus and I lost our baby this week which has hit me really hard. She was 6 months along and I had just seen her on an ultrasound. To say I'm in a bad head space at the moment is an understatement.

Anyway, the reason I post about this is, I find writing my feelings in an artistic way really helped, and I wanted to share a poem I wrote in the early hours of the morning the night she passed.

I'm not a poetic person by any means (I like writing my fiction more) so please don't judge my capability, I just really felt the urge to write down my thoughts and this is how they came out.

I'm sharing with you guys because, as sad as it sounds on an internet forum, most of you I class as friends.

In short, hug your kids, and cherish every moment you spend with them.


Although we never met you, or got to kiss your cheeks,

Your presence was undeniable for those swift and precious weeks,

You were a gift my darling girl, one that was not expected,

And I dreamed of what you’d become, a picture of perfection,

You could have been a dancer, or a writer with a dream,

You could have been an actor, great in every scene,

Whatever you were meant to be, I know that I’d be proud,

The proudest dad you’d ever see, I’d never let you down,

But it wasn’t meant to be my sweet, you weren’t ready for this world,

And it kills me to say goodbye before I met my baby girl,

But you’re free to fly now angel, so spread those wings and soar,

Mummy and daddy both love you, and will forever more.

We have had our differences in the past, I am truly sorry for yours, and your wife, loss. This post has moved me greatly. I mean that too.
 

Bob

Juniors
Messages
1,391
Completely off the topic of footy...

My missus and I lost our baby this week which has hit me really hard. She was 6 months along and I had just seen her on an ultrasound. To say I'm in a bad head space at the moment is an understatement.

Anyway, the reason I post about this is, I find writing my feelings in an artistic way really helped, and I wanted to share a poem I wrote in the early hours of the morning the night she passed.

I'm not a poetic person by any means (I like writing my fiction more) so please don't judge my capability, I just really felt the urge to write down my thoughts and this is how they came out.

I'm sharing with you guys because, as sad as it sounds on an internet forum, most of you I class as friends.

In short, hug your kids, and cherish every moment you spend with them.


Although we never met you, or got to kiss your cheeks,

Your presence was undeniable for those swift and precious weeks,

You were a gift my darling girl, one that was not expected,

And I dreamed of what you’d become, a picture of perfection,

You could have been a dancer, or a writer with a dream,

You could have been an actor, great in every scene,

Whatever you were meant to be, I know that I’d be proud,

The proudest dad you’d ever see, I’d never let you down,

But it wasn’t meant to be my sweet, you weren’t ready for this world,

And it kills me to say goodbye before I met my baby girl,

But you’re free to fly now angel, so spread those wings and soar,

Mummy and daddy both love you, and will forever more.
My condolences to you and your wife for your loss,
 

soc123_au

Moderator
Staff member
Messages
18,521
Completely off the topic of footy...

My missus and I lost our baby this week which has hit me really hard. She was 6 months along and I had just seen her on an ultrasound. To say I'm in a bad head space at the moment is an understatement.

Anyway, the reason I post about this is, I find writing my feelings in an artistic way really helped, and I wanted to share a poem I wrote in the early hours of the morning the night she passed.

I'm not a poetic person by any means (I like writing my fiction more) so please don't judge my capability, I just really felt the urge to write down my thoughts and this is how they came out.

I'm sharing with you guys because, as sad as it sounds on an internet forum, most of you I class as friends.

In short, hug your kids, and cherish every moment you spend with them.


Although we never met you, or got to kiss your cheeks,

Your presence was undeniable for those swift and precious weeks,

You were a gift my darling girl, one that was not expected,

And I dreamed of what you’d become, a picture of perfection,

You could have been a dancer, or a writer with a dream,

You could have been an actor, great in every scene,

Whatever you were meant to be, I know that I’d be proud,

The proudest dad you’d ever see, I’d never let you down,

But it wasn’t meant to be my sweet, you weren’t ready for this world,

And it kills me to say goodbye before I met my baby girl,

But you’re free to fly now angel, so spread those wings and soar,

Mummy and daddy both love you, and will forever more.

That had me tearing up. So sorry to hear of your loss. It makes me appreciate how lucky I am that my surprise turned out in a good way. I know the attachment probably begins much earlier for the Mother, but for a Dad I think, seeing that ultrasound really brings home the reality of what is happening. Wishing all the best to you & the rest of your family.
 

Jane Murray

Bench
Messages
2,837
That had me tearing up. So sorry to hear of your loss. It makes me appreciate how lucky I am that my surprise turned out in a good way. I know the attachment probably begins much earlier for the Mother, but for a Dad I think, seeing that ultrasound really brings home the reality of what is happening. Wishing all the best to you & the rest of your family.

As a female, I disagree, as it effects the father at the same time. Unfortunately, the fathers emotion is given little, or no thought.
 

ACTPanthers

Bench
Messages
4,706
That had me tearing up. So sorry to hear of your loss. It makes me appreciate how lucky I am that my surprise turned out in a good way. I know the attachment probably begins much earlier for the Mother, but for a Dad I think, seeing that ultrasound really brings home the reality of what is happening. Wishing all the best to you & the rest of your family.
Thanks brother - Yeah, us Dads get forgotten a little when it comes to this stuff - I need to be a strong shoulder for the missus, but also need to deal with it myself. I've found that writing helps, and allows me to vent without bothering anyone else.

Every now and then, I'll sneak away for a hearty sob, gather myself and then be there for the missus.
 

ACTPanthers

Bench
Messages
4,706
As a female, I disagree, as it effects the father at the same time. Unfortunately, the fathers emotion is given little, or no thought.
Soc is just saying that the father generally feels that connection establish the first time we see them in the ultrasound, which is true to a certain degree.

I mean I got excited when I was told the missus was pregnant, but I got emotional when I saw her on that screen the first time.
 

Jane Murray

Bench
Messages
2,837
Soc is just saying that the father generally feels that connection establish the first time we see them in the ultrasound, which is true to a certain degree.

I mean I got excited when I was told the missus was pregnant, but I got emotional when I saw her on that screen the first time.
My apology, I'm having a bad day. My sentiments still remain. Much concern is given to the female, however, men needs support too. I hope you, and your wife, are receiving that?
 

Blade23

Juniors
Messages
1,639
Completely off the topic of footy...

My missus and I lost our baby this week which has hit me really hard. She was 6 months along and I had just seen her on an ultrasound. To say I'm in a bad head space at the moment is an understatement.

Anyway, the reason I post about this is, I find writing my feelings in an artistic way really helped, and I wanted to share a poem I wrote in the early hours of the morning the night she passed.

I'm not a poetic person by any means (I like writing my fiction more) so please don't judge my capability, I just really felt the urge to write down my thoughts and this is how they came out.

I'm sharing with you guys because, as sad as it sounds on an internet forum, most of you I class as friends.

In short, hug your kids, and cherish every moment you spend with them.


Although we never met you, or got to kiss your cheeks,

Your presence was undeniable for those swift and precious weeks,

You were a gift my darling girl, one that was not expected,

And I dreamed of what you’d become, a picture of perfection,

You could have been a dancer, or a writer with a dream,

You could have been an actor, great in every scene,

Whatever you were meant to be, I know that I’d be proud,

The proudest dad you’d ever see, I’d never let you down,

But it wasn’t meant to be my sweet, you weren’t ready for this world,

And it kills me to say goodbye before I met my baby girl,

But you’re free to fly now angel, so spread those wings and soar,

Mummy and daddy both love you, and will forever more.


Sorry mate to you and your wife and family. My condolences.
 
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